Graphic Cards 6950/6970 Price Hikes?
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sabby
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I agree that 7850 is a better card than 6950 2GB both performance and TDP/Temp wise. But its not sufficient enough to warrant an upgrade to 6950 users or even a 6870 user for that matter.
And you shouldn't compare an OCed new card with a stock old gen card. People actually OC their GPU/CPU when they feel its a bit old and can't cope up with the newer card.
And you shouldn't compare an OCed new card with a stock old gen card. People actually OC their GPU/CPU when they feel its a bit old and can't cope up with the newer card.
Yes, you can compare a oced 7850 to stock 6xxx series card.
7800 and 7900 are sureshot overclockers and overclock by a huge margin and scale nearly perfectly with the overclock.
On the other hand a card like 6970 can at most overclock by 5-7% and the real increase in performance with a 7% overclock is usually less than 2% in terms of FPS. Because the 6800 and 6900 architecture doesn't increase FPS adequately even for benchmarking purposes, no matter how high you overclock them which you can't do anyway because they don't overclock, leave alone being sure shot overclockers.
A 7850 is sort of guaranteed to overclocked 25-30% on stock volts, with the stock cooler, you just need to open MSI Afterburner and set the overclock by 20-25% more speed and forget about it. The previous graphic cards were not like that leave alone 6xxx series.
In short, 7850 OC ~ 580 stock > 6970 stock
7850 OC ~ 580 stock > 6970 OC no matter how high the 6970 is oced.
Also, 7850 stock > 10% faster than 6950 stock
But once overclocked, a stock 7850 with the stock cooler will beat the crap out of any 6970 with water cooling and perhaps even with LN2 for that matter because the 6900 series doesn't scale with higher speeds, it just means a higher speed, not higher FPS. This isn't so with the the 7800 series.
And yes, going from 6950 to 7850 doesn't make sense unless it costs less than 5-6k net after selling the old card. But from 6870 OC to 7850 OC is a huge difference, night and day sorts.
And the thing is that AMD was probably giving offers to win market share back, now that they are doing better, they don't need to be so cheap.
7800 and 7900 are sureshot overclockers and overclock by a huge margin and scale nearly perfectly with the overclock.
On the other hand a card like 6970 can at most overclock by 5-7% and the real increase in performance with a 7% overclock is usually less than 2% in terms of FPS. Because the 6800 and 6900 architecture doesn't increase FPS adequately even for benchmarking purposes, no matter how high you overclock them which you can't do anyway because they don't overclock, leave alone being sure shot overclockers.
A 7850 is sort of guaranteed to overclocked 25-30% on stock volts, with the stock cooler, you just need to open MSI Afterburner and set the overclock by 20-25% more speed and forget about it. The previous graphic cards were not like that leave alone 6xxx series.
In short, 7850 OC ~ 580 stock > 6970 stock
7850 OC ~ 580 stock > 6970 OC no matter how high the 6970 is oced.
Also, 7850 stock > 10% faster than 6950 stock
But once overclocked, a stock 7850 with the stock cooler will beat the crap out of any 6970 with water cooling and perhaps even with LN2 for that matter because the 6900 series doesn't scale with higher speeds, it just means a higher speed, not higher FPS. This isn't so with the the 7800 series.
And yes, going from 6950 to 7850 doesn't make sense unless it costs less than 5-6k net after selling the old card. But from 6870 OC to 7850 OC is a huge difference, night and day sorts.
And the thing is that AMD was probably giving offers to win market share back, now that they are doing better, they don't need to be so cheap.
kartikoli
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if 7850 comes out for 15~16k than we will see 6950 in 11~12k range but for me they will reduce the price for sure to lure customers into upgrade as we still have no news for nvidia 660 so ATI can dictate termsIMO if a 7850 is available at 16k, a new 6950 won't make sense for anything more than 16k-4/5k, though that is unlikely to happen. A 7850 OC is going to be like 30-35% faster than a 6950, this much performance difference is worth at least 4-5k+
we already have a performer in the high range lets wait for a mid range performer from nvidia and we will some price cuts
mav2000
Herald
Wow, this kind of went somewhere I didnt think it would go...anyway my main issue here, to add a bit to the point I was trying to make is simple. The top end Single GPU card from AMD for the 5 series was 5870. Then they went and screwed the numbering patterns by making the top end a 6970. The 6870 was a perf. card. I should have seen it coming then. Then we come to what happened on the current gen.
Anyway, I bought my first 6950 for 14k....and now the min. I see it at is around 18k...thats just stupid crazy for something thats been around for more than a year.
Anyway, I bought my first 6950 for 14k....and now the min. I see it at is around 18k...thats just stupid crazy for something thats been around for more than a year.
Gpu's are progressing with such speed that trying to understand their numbering and naming is quite hard.. just look from the geforce 6 series onwards.. every year a new one and now almost every quarter!!!
BTW i brought my first 6950 for 12k.. and it unlocked
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