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And with people on limited connection : well frankly they need to get better connection
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Easier said than done.

I have a 256k connection, and i've got it because no matter what speed I pay for , I'll get crappy speeds because I live in the middle of a godforsaken rural area, the copper is all corroded, and I'm just lucky BSNL can manage to get an ADSL signal here in the first place. All other ISP's wont even touch my area because It's not "feasible"

My cable ISP is there, but they're even worse :|

Even if i choose to disable images, and then load them, it will still not protect me from some fuzzy 3 megapixel picture taken from some camfone which the idiot who uploaded it does not care to resize /use the thumbnial of.

Thats a few seconds and a few hundred kilobytes wasted.

At work, websense blocks pretty much everything, but at home , I have to put up with this, and one such picture will slow down the internet conection for the rest of the house ( sis, and the folks if they are using it)

PS: I'm fine with the data limit, but thats cos I've got a 1440x900 monitor. If i had to use my older 1024x768 monitor, I'd be up in arms against the size as well.

Because a problem does not affect you does not mean it doesnt affect others
 
greenhorn said:
Easier said than done.

I have a 256k connection, and i've got it because no matter what speed I pay for , I'll get crappy speeds because I live in the middle of a godforsaken rural area, the copper is all corroded, and I'm just lucky BSNL can manage to get an ADSL signal here in the first place. All other ISP's wont even touch my area because It's not "feasible"

My cable ISP is there, but they're even worse :|

Even if i choose to disable images, and then load them, it will still not protect me from some fuzzy 3 megapixel picture taken from some camfone which the idiot who uploaded it does not care to resize /use the thumbnial of.

Thats a few seconds and a few hundred kilobytes wasted.

At work, websense blocks pretty much everything, but at home , I have to put up with this, and one such picture will slow down the internet conection for the rest of the house ( sis, and the folks if they are using it)

PS: I'm fine with the data limit, but thats cos I've got a 1440x900 monitor. If i had to use my older 1024x768 monitor, I'd be up in arms against the size as well.
Because a problem does not affect you does not mean it doesnt affect others
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Well frankly if you think its waste of your time to see someone's image, its not his fault. Its you who dont want to see what is being posted or didnt like it. Thats purely selfish and one dimensional way of thinking. From your own POV and not from someone else's.

No one has telepathic powers to know what someone will or wont like. And you have unlimited 256kbps. And you are complaining because it is causing inconvenience to you.

The opposite party will think the same about restrictions. ( Well I do. )

You need to have little bit of patience. You will come to know if thread has lots of images immediately. If you dont want to wait, close the window. No one will force you to wait till image loads ( other than your own curiosity :P )

And again why are you bothered about resolution, all images get resized here. That hack is in place. So horizontal scrolling is already taken care off.

Cellphones images are never big in size (KB), e.g. a standard 5MP full size image from cellphone is not more than 700-800KB in super fine pic quality and is usually 300-400 kb in fine quality mode which most people use. They are just big in resolution. but yeah there is no point in posting such big images using cell phone cam. But hey, we cant criticize someone for that.

Again, if it bothers some people, they are free to choose and not visit showoff and market or use image blocking.

And no, I am not saying this from my POV, check my threads, they always contain cropped images and thumbs, but that does not mean everyone should be forced to do so everywhere. Thats not the way any system can work effectively. People will run away than be in a place with too many restrictions.
 
^ thanks. it also has a modded one in russian which has removed most bugs in it plus put in some more features.
 
Oh man topic gone big.

Just make it a rule now.

I was even thinking a pic shouldn't be of lower than 1.3 megapixel. (after thumbnail clickin)

Thumbnail, make it mandatory... !!
 
I understand that making thumbnails mandatory sounds too strict and of-course inconvenient for many... but least we can do is restrict people from posting hugeass images, keep maximum dimensions below 1600 or so and file size per image maybe 200kb max.

That way at least we don't have to get harassed by crappy and big cellphone pics or unoptimized images.
 
Well frankly if you think its waste of your time to see someone's image, its not his fault. Its you who dont want to see what is being posted or didnt like it. Thats purely selfish and one dimensional way of thinking. From your own POV and not from someone else's.
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TBH, thats what I've thought so far, and thats why I've kept quiet about it. But apparently, its not just me who's affected, as is evident from this thread.
 
People should learn how to resize images max file size should be 250-300kb,

Also big ass pics dont influence you to buy something they rather make your run away as not all of have a photographer within us and not all us have decent cams.

Can someone point out decent image resizer which converts multiple images at a time and add it to the image posting guidelines sticky.
 
I can understand where there is no choice, but thats not the reason to impose blanket restriction for everyone.
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The underlying assumption here is that more than x% of TE users are at least on a yKbps unlimited connection.

If there is to be any restriction, let it be on file size. 300-400KB should be ok for most things. And I still think it should be last resort.
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Ensuring that would be harder than ensuring that there are thumbnails in the threads

So even if you get to know that there are x number of pics in that thread which are as big as they come. You now have to figure out a rate of return. The probability that you will like that hardware and make an impulse purchase vs the probability that you will waste your bandwidth. Then you have to figure out the marginal utility of that hardware which you could have bought versus the marginal rate of return of something else which you could have bought from your money spent on your internet bill (well first you have to decide what you could have bought instead). Then add to that the rate of depreciation on the hardware and add the cost of capital to the money saved from the internet bill. Then you have a simple choice whether you want to see the images in that thread or not. :bleh:
 
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Renegade said:
The underlying assumption here is that more than x% of TE users are at least on a yKbps unlimited connection.

Ensuring that would be harder than ensuring that there are thumbnails in the threads
So even if you get to know that there are x number of pics in that thread which are as big as they come. You now have to figure out a rate of return. The probability that you will like that hardware and make an impulse purchase vs the probability that you will waste your bandwidth. Then you have to figure out the marginal utility of that hardware which you could have bought versus the marginal rate of return of something else which you could have bought from your money spent on your internet bill (well first you have to decide what you could have bought instead). Then add to that the rate of depreciation on the hardware and add the cost of capital to the money saved from the internet bill. Then you have a simple choice whether you want to see the images in that thread or not. :bleh:
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Well yes, 90% users have choice of one or other unlimited bw connection from one or multiple ISPs in India. Even in remote places you do get BSNL these days with min 256KBps connection.

Its not other people's fault some dont go for 256k unlimited connection and settle for cheapo 250 buck connection with pitty download limits when you have unlimited connection for 500 bucks.

Fine you want to save money on internet, then dont blame others for using money they spent on their high speed net connection as well. Use image blockers, save money. ;)

Its like guys on limited bw want to have all their way :P

If you have unlimited BW connection then comeon, have some patience for images to load, its like expecting everyone around you to walk at same pace as you or to drive same car as yours. Thats not valid argument.

I am against thumbs, not against file size restrictions or cropping. I do that myself. But reaching to level of forcing users to post only thumbs will be height of intolerance.


EDIT: My objection is specific to Market, Showoff and news threads. These places need direct images.
 
for the three years before I got a job, my folks paid for my internet, and I'm sure a LOT of TE users fall in the same demographic. its not Like you can go up to your dad and say , Dad , I want an Unlimited connection, or , Dad I want the plan with a bigged download cap. Chances are , he'll say , "why beta, I didnt get an internet connection for you to download. I bought it for you to study ( he kinda has a point there :P) . My colleagues all have 200MB and 400MB plans for their kids. I'm already paying for the 1GB plan for you, I dont see why you need any more :S"

and there you are , with budgeted bandwidth, 1 GB, across 30 days comes to about 30 MB a day, and you've already spent enough updating your drivers and firefox. You just have about 3 MB of your quota left and you want to see something some guy is selling, what just might be the thing you need. I used to use imglikeopera. and you click on "load image" , and BAM, there is 450 kb, down the drain. Yes, that IS a big thing when you've been sacrificing 3kb smileys , just so that you can chat for a few minutes more.

And finally it loads, and you cant even see it, you move to the right and the left extremes of the screen, and you still dont get any idea of it. You view the whole image, and it makes no sense.

Its not like people with limited bandwidth forcing their way. Its just asking the people who post the pics to post the thumbnail code , and not the image itself.

One must be considerate. these folks with limited bandwidth already have it bad - I really dont want to make it worse for them. Saying that it is inconvenient for folks with big monitors/spare bandwidth to take the extra time smacks of elitism. Its only a small effort one can do to make life better for everyone.You do it yourself. why not everyone else ?

Its kinda like asking folks to conserve water, for the sake of the people starving in africa. - It's not like if you turn off the tap, and presto - the water is going to that kid you see starving in africa,

But hey, you turn it off anyway, and somewhere, i suppose it makes a difference - Its called showing consideration.

But then, you can be a douchebag and say, no way, I have unlimited running water - I paid for it! I'll just let it run while i brush my teeth and change my clothes - Why should I care if some kids in africa are starving - they should wait for their water, or for aid to come to them, or rain- we should not be inconvenienced because somewhere , someone is suffering , because if we had to , then we'd have to be inconvenienced all the time.
 
greenhorn said:
for the three years before I got a job, my folks paid for my internet, and I'm sure a LOT of TE users fall in the same demographic. its not Like you can go up to your dad and say , Dad , I want an Unlimited connection, or , Dad I want the plan with a bigged download cap. Chances are , he'll say , "why beta, I didnt get an internet connection for you to download. I bought it for you to study ( he kinda has a point there :P) . My colleagues all have 200MB and 400MB plans for their kids. I'm already paying for the 1GB plan for you, I dont see why you need any more :S"

and there you are , with budgeted bandwidth, 1 GB, across 30 days comes to about 30 MB a day, and you've already spent enough updating your drivers and firefox. You just have about 3 MB of your quota left and you want to see something some guy is selling, what just might be the thing you need. I used to use imglikeopera. and you click on "load image" , and BAM, there is 450 kb, down the drain. Yes, that IS a big thing when you've been sacrificing 3kb smileys , just so that you can chat for a few minutes more.

And finally it loads, and you cant even see it, you move to the right and the left extremes of the screen, and you still dont get any idea of it. You view the whole image, and it makes no sense.

Its not like people with limited bandwidth forcing their way. Its just asking the people who post the pics to post the thumbnail code , and not the image itself.

One must be considerate. these folks with limited bandwidth already have it bad - I really dont want to make it worse for them. Saying that it is inconvenient for folks with big monitors/spare bandwidth to take the extra time smacks of elitism. Its only a small effort one can do to make life better for everyone. You do it yourself. why not everyone else ?
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I still cant understand why you are going on about big monitors btw:P
horizontal scrolling is gone, i am myself using 720P TV as monitor, lower resolution than your so called low resolution LCD.

It bothers you because you are not ready to adjust, nothing more.

You dont need to be elite to have a 256k unlimited connection anymore. Those days are long gone. Parent will actually will get you a unlimited connection when you explain him that he might end up paying more on limited bw connection as how easy it is to go over limit with just 1GB these days.

Internet has come a long way even in our country. Its about time people change their mentality towards bandwidth and how to actually make use of it effectively.

If you are complaining about this today, tomorrow we will see people telling me to post thumbnails in reviews. And god forbid if that day comes, I will rather retire from TE than be part of it with such pity restrictions.
 
a 56k warning in the title is more than enough. but even that is rarely found, especially in the market threads
 
I have 512 kbps unlimited and most of the time using Speed on Demand 2mbps Rs.75/hr, even then also it sucks to load up those biggie biggie pics.

I want thumbnail, it looks descent.

Although pics posted by Switch or gforce etc are pretty nice coz they got fkin SLR's etc, I hate those pics which are posted by mobile ..the resolution is big but detail is most distorted..LOL

@ greeny -- if you post would had been little more big then you would had gone till bits and bytes :P

@ shirpad --> thumbnails with hyperlink of bigger images only what I'm asking !

p.s. can someone make POLL in this topic ?
 
@shripad: you seem to be saying/thinking we're asking users to post *only* thumbnails? not true... we're suggesting using image hosting like imgx where you can upload your full sized image but just post a thumbnail with link to the original...so those interested can click it else leave it...
 
I'm not against thumbs in reviews either

anyone who has read a windwithme review knows the feeling :bleh:

but then again, i dont want to force him, because he posts such good high detail shots
 
vishalrao said:
@shripad: you seem to be saying/thinking we're asking users to post *only* thumbnails? not true... we're suggesting using image hosting like imgx where you can upload your full sized image but just post a thumbnail with link to the original...so those interested can click it else leave it...
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lol, i am talking about that only, I am not that dumb:P

Its not practical while posting news items, charts, reviews. And IMHO in market it must be upto the seller to decide how he wants to represent his item. Same with showoff.

Market, reviews and showoff are bound to be bw intensive sections. Using thumbnails in these is really silly.

Take few examples.

http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/xfx-enters-power-supply-market-850w-136655.html

http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/cooler-master-elite-336-compact-atx-128364.html

http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/msi-x58m-uatx-cheapest-but-fully-136616.html

These are news threads.

Same goes to showoff, a person who bought a new hardware is trying to show "EVERYONE" his new stuff.

Same with market. I want everyone entering to see my products ;)
 
I'm not talking about 120x80 thumbs - bigger ones, say 640x480 or 800x600, with links to the 1600x1200 or whatever it is the original pics were shot at.

but if the source pics are close to that resolution, as in those threads, then the original ones are fine. but then, thing is , we need to have guidelines which can be implemented and verified
 
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