Market Feedback Amarbir doesn't want to ship my product

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Re: Amarbir doesnt want to ship my product

Thread split from here : http://www.techenclave.com/market-feedback/amarbir-doesnt-want-ship-my-product-184530.html

At everyone. I sincerely request you all to refrain from any OT discussions . Also very frankly speaking I thought the issue was solved when Mr.Amarbir replied over here and obliged to refund my amount within a time frame of few days . After that there was no need for any further discussions unless there were issues with the refund .

Also Mr. Amarbir , I sincerely request you to not to call me on my personal mobile number because a few hours back when you did - your tone was very rude and the conversation was uncalled for . What I really don't understand is if you couldn't make a simple phone call or send a PM to me , informing me that you are unable to deliver as per commitment why do you wish to call me now and question me about this thread ?

I am sorry to say guys , Mr. Amarbir has manipulated my words over here . He called me sometime back and started questioning me about this thread .His tone was very rude and he seem to be very pissed at me /this thread/ some other members for reasons best known to him .Since I was busy at my work . I just told him that " Please do not disturb me .I have requested you for a refund and it would nice if you could fulfill it without creating an issue ."

Inspite of telling him that I am not really interested in having a unnecessary discussion about this issue on the phone . He insisted I speak to him and kept harassing me by asking questions in a very harsh tone like " What other product have you ever bought from me to post comments like " its your habit " in the thread. Why did you do this etc. You dare not buy any product from us in future . Questions like why such a big issue was made out of this and why everyone is posting OT/crap in his market threads.

I tried to make him understand that I would like to keep all communications on TE and didn't have any answers to some of the questions he was bombarding at me .Since I was at work it wasn't possible for me to continue with a long conversation . In the end his tone was so harsh that I wasn't very comfortable speaking to him and since he just wouldn't listen to me , I had to say " Khalifukat aap discussion mat kijiye ,aapse baand me baat karta hoon TE pe " which translates into - " Please do not continue an unnecessary discussion for no reason . I will speak to you later on TE "

By creating this thread ,I have only done what I feel was needed since I wasn't getting any reply from him on PM .I don't have anything against you Mr.Amarbir , infact since my first order with you was a pleasant one I was expecting the same .Little did I know that I would be in for something like this.

Since I had placed the order via TE , I would like to keep all my possible communication on record on TE.
 
Split into a new thread. Kindly keep this thread clean.

Once again Market Feedback is only between the dealer <-> customer.

Other buyers/comments should be directed to their own thread or the respective Dealer Feedback thread.
 
Tiwari ,

You Exactly Told Me what i Told Earlier ,For 2 Pairs Of Stupid Biflanges I will Not Say All Of This And Waste My Time .I Called you On your Mobile No ,Yes The Same Number You gave in my website .I Said Hello Many Times Possibly You Could not digest it that i was calling you and you have created a scene for no reason .Once you Said Hello i Asked you that What Was The So Necessary Thing That you Created This Thread .To This you Exactly Replied Like i Have Said In The Older Thread .You Said i ws in the habit of making up excuses .why was a excuse not made the last time i shipped your product .Do You Know Tiwari That Other People Also did Not Get thier shipping done and today i have shipped a lot of products .You wanted to make a scene on te for what ,You said that you have pmed me many times on te .the only one PM i have got from you is listed here

"Sir ,

Order ID: Lynx-6628

Please tell me if you shipped my order on Tuesday atleast .If it was shipped please provide tracking number . I had ordered on Saturday , still no update Very slow service.

regards,

Sumit Tiwari"

Mods Please Find The Liberty To Check this If you Like To Have a Look At His And My Mailbox .As you are saying again and again that i traded for this on te and you would like te as a platform to finish this deal so be it .Show us what more you did in te regarding this order ? . Anyways When i Came Back from My Noida Trip I Promptly Replied To All Pmes And Also Replied To your Thread .

@ everyone : There is No Mention From this Fellow In Any Other PM That He is Not Wanting The Order And Henceforth .The only thing he did was that he write that pm to me and then the only thing he did was he started this thread .Infact tiwari can you show anyone in te the so called pms that you send me asking for a refund and also discussion about this order ? .If you had pmed me that you wanted a refund and i was not listening to those pms i would have been at fault ,But when you did not send any of those pmes even once why was this thread created .Can Tiwari Answer This .True Tiwari you Wanted the Products Faster And Due To Certian Issues i could not ship it ,So be it ....

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Tiwari ,

Good Morning I Am Bumping This Thread ,Please Reply To My questions Above So That People Here Could Come To Know The Truth ? . Regarding Refund Hemraj And Bindu Are Both Back And We Will Make a Payment By Cheque Back And Not Cash As It Has To Pass Via My Accounts Department .Cheers

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Tiwari ,
We Have Send You The Cheque Details And The Same Are Posted Here .Cheque No 255886 .Amount 585/- ,Dated 23-2-2011 .Mods Do Not Close this thread this fellow is not responding To the questions i have put across him in a public forum. Tiwari Why not explain the mods and other members when did you send all those emails and pms that i did not reply you are making a fool of everyone here on te for some reason .Total Amount With Taxes Was Rs :647/- And You Paid Rs :585/- Only My Question is That Why Should We Ship You Goods When Your Payment is Less .Did Anyone approve your order [ NOOOOO ] No One did that .So Just After sending me that pm that i have listed above you instead of sending me even one more pm of a refund started a thread that was unwanted and not required .If i had denied your refund or was not willing to help or solve a issue i would have been at fault .Other members who always come bashing me up kindly try and understand that when there is a issue or a argument such a thread should only be created if one of the parties are not responding or denying to do something to resolve a issue ,In This case there is no such thing ? .As Soon As i returned back to work without even a single though i tried to resolve your issue and reply to your questions .
 
I still dont understand what exactly are you expecting from me . I sent you 2 PMs in total asking you about the delivery .One to which you replied saying it will be done on Tuesday , the other to which you didnt reply for 3-4 days. Its only after that I started the thread .Also its not about two pairs of stupid bi-flanges as you call it .Its about commitment and delivering on time which to you , holds no value at all .
The sale thread on TE specifies - Rs.250 for the product and Rs.85 for shipping . But I was not expecting that your courier service will charge another 85 Rs. extra for 2 more pairs of tips . The payment was made as per - Rs. 250 X 2 = Rs. 500 for 4 pairs of bi-flange + Rs.85 for shipping . You are just trying to bring up the low payment issue because you couldn't deliver it on time .

As Ive said earlier , your arguments and quotations above really make no sense to me at all .


EDIT : You seem to have added the 12.5% tax part yesterday to the thread. If the payment made was not of the right amount , please tell me why was the previous order for the exact same product - Order no. 5788 made on 24th October and paid for on 24th October was accepted and delivered ? The amount back then was still the same - Rs. 585.

Please please dont go so low just to prove that you were not at fault .
 
tiwari said:
I still dont understand what exactly are you expecting from me . I sent you 2 PMs in total asking you about the delivery .One to which you replied saying it will be done on Tuesday , the other to which you didnt reply for 3-4 days. Its only after that I started the thread .Also its not about two pairs of stupid bi-flanges as you call it .Its about commitment and delivering on time which to you , holds no value at all .

The sale thread on TE specifies - Rs.250 for the product and Rs.85 for shipping . But I was not expecting that your courier service will charge another 85 Rs. extra for 2 more pairs of tips . The payment was made as per - Rs. 250 X 2 = Rs. 500 for 4 pairs of bi-flange + Rs.85 for shipping . You are just trying to bring up the low payment issue because you couldn't deliver it on time .

As Ive said earlier , your arguments and quotations above really make no sense to me at all .



EDIT : You seem to have added the 12.5% tax part yesterday to the thread. If the payment made was not of the right amount , please tell me why was the previous order for the exact same product - Order no. 5788 made on 24th October and paid for on 24th October was accepted and delivered ? The amount back then was still the same - Rs. 585.

Please please dont go so low just to prove that you were not at fault .
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Hey Guys ,

Before you press the like button hear this .Well tiwari if delivery comitment was not a priority you would never have got your first order also on time right .That order you got even before you could anticipate it will come lol so why are you talking nonesense .But you people assume everytime for every deal and everybody i should perform like this in business this is not true .My point was that were is the pm for a refund request ,i mean a argument should come to public eyes only if one party is denying something .Here you never asked for a refund in any pm .Did you ever say amarbir as you did not ship on time i do not want the order now ? .Where is that pm ?. You are not getting a simple thing in your head .When you give a order in lynx you are not suppose to pay until a order is not approved .More then a 1000 times on te people have purchased stuff from us and we manually edit thier orders and make it at the pricing of te .Do you think we will sell everything to everyone at te rates .Your order was in pending stage till today no moderator or service tech approved the order @ my store .You paid less money then the order also so even if my staff at the back wanted to ship the order in pending stage they will not cos the payment is the issue .Had i approved the order i would have given you a discount of 12.5% so that the tax part was not visible to you and you would have paid exactly in the thread amount .If i was doing something stupid and fishy in the thread i would have easily edited the first post and conveniently added the tax that i did not do i posted the change .I hope you get it in your head .BTW its you who have stooped so low to get refund of 2 silicon pairs When i never had a objection as i could not ship .If i was proving something i would not have apologized in the first post i made in the other thread when i replied to you ,Its you who is harping and beating about the bush saying that you know i will say this and that when you know it all true and had you asked from me for a refund i would have done that also without fail .An argument can be anything take this hypothetical question

1 : You order for a friend and he gets a call from somewhere and goes there ,My courier reaches him and no one recieves it and its rto "return to origin " .In that case if i start saying "i knew it you will do like this only and its your habit and all that " how will you feel then .Thats what i have being trying to tell you since the first post i went to noida for just 1.5 days and the stay got extended plus order was still in pending stage and payment was less .Do you know abhinav tried to call you two times also but there was no response from your side .i wonder whats the fuss for all of this as i never even once said i will not refund .plus all sort of people start writing stuff thats unwanted in the threads .

Plus why your order was executed the 5788 no here it is why it was executed

1 : You placed order on 25th

2 :On 26th i approved the order and manually edited it so that your amount in te and my website matches.

3 : the same was shipped on 26th night .

In this case you and i agreed upon something and i had to go off

1 :You placed order

2 : Order not approved and before that you send Rs :585 thats less then Rs :647 as no one edited your order

3 : even if staff wanted to ship the same they could not as the payment was different then the amount of the order

4 : by the time i landed back and could have done anything you create a scene here for no reason

BTW : i have deposited that cheque into your account today and it should be cleared in due course of time ,Next time look elsewhere for your material purchases and excuse us .
 
It is really detrimental to this forum to see Amarbir again making a fool of us all. Though his grammar and English skills are equivalent to a 5th graders but his manipulative and machination techniques are commendable. He totally ignores the crux of the feedback (voluntarily) which is being given to him, and with his arrogance, bullish and condescending mannerisms neuters the issue and creates an epic flowered and littered with situations and scenarios.

He still has not digested the fact that he accepted a delivery date and did not commit. There was no communication from his business house -- instead he barks about "why this thread was opened". WE DO NOT want to know about the internal processes which his company follows as protocols. Example: prices being different, rates manually have to be tweaked to allow his systems to process, no moderator available to sign-off the shipment. This thread has been totally diverted on a tangent so the prime issue is skirted. Now it is divulged that the OP never requested a refund and covered in the BS of how TE deals are "different" and have to be specially treated so by him. Are you doing us a favor. It sure darn sounds like that...!

Next we get a hypothetical situation from the master-of-business-prose. How a courier is not delivered and is RTO'ed. SO....no one cares about fairy-tales like this, cause they never happened, and no point again trying to cover up the facts with a tub of lard. It just does not work. For once Amarbir, stop trying to put your shoes on us, and step into the frame of a customer or potential consumer. It will surely help.

Then we get a sequentially itinerary of a deal that went of fine with the OP, and subsequently a list of the deal that went sour. With pure deception and superb craft the gap of 6 days is again fluffed over with "order placed, amount was different (cause TE deal), you opened thread before I 'landed' back". What the HELL. You missed a delivery sir. Own up.

And the post is closed with a swagger of arrogance and basic middle-finger to the OP and all concerned.

Sigh.

Tiwari, get what ever you can get back. Of course a commitment missed can never be equated to an exact dollar.
 
I have refrained on commenting on any of Amarbir's thread for a long time, infact years, but its as clear as daylight, he would never change. All I would say again is that he is not fit for Forum trading. Lynx is doing great, most of the online tech community knows his website pretty well. Its time he is asked to say good bye again from TE.
 
I am really left with nothing to say . Either my English language is poor or I am really not able to make sense out of anything he posts . I will just wait for my refund and rest leave it upto the moderators and admins to decide.Till now I never knew what all those big Lynx complaints thread used to be all about , now I have an idea of what I am dealing with here . Looking back at the old threads , things haven't changed even one bit . As some member had correctly described the step wise procedure for such cases earlier .Things look exactly the same.

What came as a complete shock and surprise to me is , if these are the standard laid for a TE approved dealer . How am I or a newly registered user supposed to even think of dealing with such dealers ? In most past threads I read , if you don't like the dealers service dont deal with them but do we actually have to wait see such threads every now and then and tell them the same thing ? Do not deal if you don't like the service. :|.
 
tiwari said:
What came as a complete shock and surprise to me is , if these are the standard laid for a TE approved dealer . How am I or a newly registered user supposed to even think of dealing with such dealers ? In most past threads I read , if you don't like the dealers service dont deal with them but do we actually have to wait see such threads every now and then and tell them the same thing ? Do not deal if you don't like the service. :|.
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From Amarbir's profile

iTrust Score: 192

Positive Feedback: 99.5%

Members who left positive: 193

Members who left negative: 1

Total positive feedback: 249
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Looking at the above I think he is a pretty damn good dealer. The staff cannot take action against a dealer based on the commotion created in the threads. If so many of you have problem with him then how is it that he still has 99.5% positive feedback?

Either you start giving him negative feedback or we start handing out infractions for creating a ruckus.
 
@everyone, I have to really emphasize Renegades point, if you have problems with deals (both user and registered dealer deals) use itrader. Everyone likes to b**ch on the forums, on PM , on facebook and make a fuss everywhere and then revert ratings once things settle down. So unless we see all this on itrader, nothing is going to change
 
asingh said:
It is really detrimental to this forum to see Amarbir again making a fool of us all. Though his grammar and English skills are equivalent to a 5th graders but his manipulative and machination techniques are commendable. He totally ignores the crux of the feedback (voluntarily) which is being given to him, and with his arrogance, bullish and condescending mannerisms neuters the issue and creates an epic flowered and littered with situations and scenarios.

He still has not digested the fact that he accepted a delivery date and did not commit. There was no communication from his business house -- instead he barks about "why this thread was opened". WE DO NOT want to know about the internal processes which his company follows as protocols. Example: prices being different, rates manually have to be tweaked to allow his systems to process, no moderator available to sign-off the shipment. This thread has been totally diverted on a tangent so the prime issue is skirted. Now it is divulged that the OP never requested a refund and covered in the BS of how TE deals are "different" and have to be specially treated so by him. Are you doing us a favor. It sure darn sounds like that...!

Next we get a hypothetical situation from the master-of-business-prose. How a courier is not delivered and is RTO'ed. SO....no one cares about fairy-tales like this, cause they never happened, and no point again trying to cover up the facts with a tub of lard. It just does not work. For once Amarbir, stop trying to put your shoes on us, and step into the frame of a customer or potential consumer. It will surely help.

Then we get a sequentially itinerary of a deal that went of fine with the OP, and subsequently a list of the deal that went sour. With pure deception and superb craft the gap of 6 days is again fluffed over with "order placed, amount was different (cause TE deal), you opened thread before I 'landed' back". What the HELL. You missed a delivery sir. Own up.

And the post is closed with a swagger of arrogance and basic middle-finger to the OP and all concerned.

Sigh.

Tiwari, get what ever you can get back. Of course a commitment missed can never be equated to an exact dollar.
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well said :)
 
I have done the needful but who will ensure that the dealer doesn't leave a negative feedback on my iTrader just because I left him one for his bad service ? Also what about the clear incidences of trying to cheat / lie to win an argument and prove one's point ? The dealer has changed the listing just recently to try prove that I am at fault. Has been making false claims of low payment etc.

Does honesty and professionalism of a dealer etc hold no value at all ? Is iTrust everything ? In that case one can just wait till everyone starts using iTrust system properly for their own good.
 
tiwari said:
I have done the needful but who will ensure that the dealer doesn't leave a negative feedback on my iTrader just because I left him one for his bad service ? Also what about the clear incidences of trying to cheat / lie to win an argument and prove one's point ? The dealer has changed the listing just recently to try prove that I am at fault. Has been making false claims of low payment etc.

Does honesty and professionalism of a dealer etc hold no value at all ? Is iTrust everything ? In that case one can just wait till everyone starts using iTrust system properly for their own good.
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It has always been our policy not to tolerate these 'revenge ratings', so don't worry about that.

About the payment, from what I gather, he's trying to say his staff wouldn't have been shipped it out anyway since it wasn't the correct amount and only he could've approved the order at the lower TE rate. So to me that looks like he's saying its still his responsibility.

Honesty and professionalism are something that should automatically reflect in a person's iTrader rating.

Yes iTrust is everything - but its way more reliable than a feedback thread, and way more powerful.

> Threads like this come and go, so mods will take note of the issue at the time but cannot be expected to recall this thread in future.

> An iTrader rating on the other hand is a permanent record, so in future we can instantly look through a person's iTrader profile and check on all -ve ratings.
 
Well,

I Have Been Keeping quite All The Time Tiwari Jee .I Get a Negative Rating From You Because I Could Not Ship Your Item On Time According To Your Standards .Even though you did Not Bother About My 15 Days Shipping Policy And Blah Blah .But i Was Extremely Supportive To Acknowledge what Happened And Also Reverted your Payment Back ASAP i Could Handle In a Decent time Frame ,Considering That you should have left me a rating Not Because You Saw So Much BS in the Threads .I did not create any fuss other then the people here who are creating fuss in my threads and have nothing but hate and jealously And Have no Idea About anything .

@ Renegade , Crazy Eddy : a Itrader Rating Leaves a impact On a customer And Seller Both .In This Episode kindly Explain Me What And How i Was Not Supportive ,Is This customer Not Pushing Me Around Too Much .Stop thinking That i Am a Dealer and try To Explain Me Why He is Allowed To Give Me a Negative Rating and Why i Am Not Allowed To Give Him One .I Would Like To Write "Impulsive , Pushing , Demanding Customer" To My Negative Rating that i Plan To Give Him .The Only Reason is That He Says I did Not Ship In a Supersonic Time Frame .Why do You People Have Such Double Standards For your Dealers And Members .Kindly Have a Look

Order Given : 12-2-2011

Payment Given : 12-2-2011

PM Given To Me : 16th-2-2011

Thread Created : 18th-2-2011

I Came Back And Replied On 21st -> http://www.techenclave.com/market-feedback/amarbir-doesnt-want-ship-my-product-184530-3.html#post1732680

@ Where Was My Communication Lacking With The Customer .People Telling Me My staff Should Have Done It Fine They Should Have But The Order Payment Was a Mismatch Hence they did Not .No PM From sumit Tiwari Regarding a Refund Just started a Thread for No Reason ? .I again Say did I Refuse Refund ,I Even Opted To Send The Product Internationally At My Own Expense .
 
Amarbir, you promised to deliver before the said date but you did not. If you have a shipping policy, stick to it and dont bend on your own policies.Simply say NO to customers who ask you to go against your own policies.

Couple of pages back in the original thread, you said tiwari can give you a -ve rating if he feels so. he didn't get what you committed to do so he is right in giving you a -ve rating.
 
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