Market Feedback Another Market lowballer's thread

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Arya

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Seems like i missed the storm :P

I did not follow the recent threads and not commenting on them. Probably this has been discussed before but I feel the need to bring it up again.

Lowballers should be kept out of the threads they are not interested in buying in. I have no problem with dealing someone who says:

Would you sell it for XXX?
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I can simply say no deal. I have problem with people who say:

Its available for XXX.
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That gets a prospective buyer suspicious and he may not return to thread even if he was interested. Especially if he was new to TE.

It happened to me recently. A guy came up saying that stuff I was selling was available at low price. When I asked him source, he backed off and got his post deleted. But in that short time he definitely hurt my chances of selling the stuff at the price I would have preferred. Also he made me sound like a rude person as his relevant post was missing.

In my opinion only interested people should be allowed to post in market threads. People who are interested in saving others from raw deal must post the source of information that can be cross checked. What say people?
 
I have to agree on this one.

why not just allow the thread creater to post in the thread.
Lowballers can pm.
 
nish_higher said:
I have to agree on this one.

why not just allow the thread creater to post in the thread.
Lowballers can pm.
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This is what was debated in the other thread
If what you say is implemented, then the seller would get enough power to quote their products at insane prices and get away with that, what the use for mentioning on PM, he wont give a damn
The system is good as it is now and if its real thread crapping, then the mods would delete the post and give the warning/infraction
If the post provides good price info to a buyer and keep the ignorant buyer informed, i see no reason why it should be disallowed

I agree to the OP saying proper source should be quoted
 
its a suggestion, but i think thread starters should be given permission to delete posts only in their sale thread.. that way they can keep their sale thread clean. the customer should do his research before buying. it makes more sense that way. :)

Spectre said:
This is what was debated in the other thread

If what you say is implemented, then the seller would get enough power to quote their products at insane prices and get away with that, what the use for mentioning on PM, he wont give a damn

The system is good as it is now and if its real thread crapping, then the mods would delete the post and give the warning/infraction

If the post provides good price info to a buyer and keep the ignorant buyer informed, i see no reason why it should be disallowed

I agree to the OP saying proper source should be quoted
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The way i see it, any business thrives on "bakras", if the buyer is ignorant then at the end somewhere or the other he is going to get ripped off. Yes people should be informed of the right prices. But let them keep another thread for that. Its a trend ive noticed on te, people feel cause its a well known forum for good deals.. they can come in and lowball get really good prices and walk away with it. Dont you feel that's wrong too? Plus most of the time the people who arent even interested lowball a sale even though it might be a good sale.

If a seller quotes an insane price, on a forum like TE, he will most def. not get a sale. A lot of people are aware of the price factors here.

My opinion: Let the ignorant people learn the hard way..lol or else let them actually spend some time in doing a little research.

Cheers!
 
^ I don't think so. This way even if some of them are wrong, they'd actually end up deleting everything which is right from the buyers point of view and offends the seller. So it should remain as it is as per me.
 
Spectre said:
This is what was debated in the other thread
If what you say is implemented, then the seller would get enough power to quote their products at insane prices and get away with that, what the use for mentioning on PM, he wont give a damn
The system is good as it is now and if its real thread crapping, then the mods would delete the post and give the warning/infraction
If the post provides good price info to a buyer and keep the ignorant buyer informed, i see no reason why it should be disallowed

I agree to the OP saying proper source should be quoted
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That is true.but a buyer can be allowed to post after that interest button is clicked by him.and also it should be made mandatory to post a price source with the product on sale by the buyer himself.

[OT]btw who else mods market section besides shripad?only he is responsive for me atleast.
 
Prospective buyers should also have a say in the FS threads. And if somebody has a better price quote, and can give a proper source for that, then that should be allowed.

Lowballing should be limited to PM. If someone has something important to say then that should be posted in the thread, so that everyone can see it.

Some amount of crapping is fine, but people should refrain from flinging it around.
 
Right to delete posts must be with mods only.

Just like market threads without pics are locked, lowballer posts should be taken out unless they quote a source.

The system is good as it is now and if its real thread crapping, then the mods would delete the post and give the warning/infraction
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Damage is done in 5 minutes. No crapping should be allowed in any case, unless someone is interested in the item they should keep out.
 
Let me debate on this from a alternate perspective.

The current system says that you can post price information if it can be backed/verifiable. Lets say some guy does post comes along posts a price info without keeping that in mind. How many prospective newbie buyers will that seller loose before that post is deleted by mods. Maybe 5 or 10. If the his price was fair, he will eventually get a buyer without a doubt.

On the other hand lets say a newbie lands in a raw deal in the absence of such info. he will scream that the seller as well as TE (whom he trusted) screwed him. The damage done is not just to the buyer and seller , but to the entire community as well.

We already have had trouble in the past from newbie buyers who do not read the terms and conditions of a sale and expected more than the seller promised. Just imagine the kind of noise a raw deal to such a buyer would create. In any case, all our market deals are done on trust and information and transparency are the key to that. Let people post information as long as its valid.

Personally, I think the goal of TE market is to ensure that a deal is in a win-win situation for both buyer and seller. Neither party should get a raw deal. TE is not a business/e-com site whose sole purpose is to make deals go through by any means necessary and people do not come here with the sole purpose of trading in the market. Its just an added bonus for convenience of the members. There are other sites that are purely dedicated to trading like for example eBay. If a guy is only interested in getting his sale go through at his chosen price without any hassles from others even when its a raw deal, then let him put it up on eBay. You can see numerous raw deals there and there are enough bakara's over there to fall for it too.
 
@ the person who asked who controls the market.

All global mods + section mods (Appo) can deal with market.

Frankly I am well informed about most of the stuff that sells in market and sometimes even without the complain from thread starter I delete some useless crap that some people post in the market.

I have even given infraction when I found someone who misused market. Thread crappers are plague of the market at the moment.

In any case, we do not delete informative and correct information posts, but at the same time I hate to see people lowballing saying " Its available for just xxx more brand new, so sell it cheaper" etc etc.

Its these kind of people who needs some spanking. I have even seen people quoting grey market price and lowballing perfectly fine sale. And it does cost the seller.

Actually I am in favour of straight infraction to anyone who lowballs :P What do you guys have to say about that ? :P

3 strikes and 2 weeks ban sounds good ;)
 
^Totally in favour of penalising the lowballers without proper source of info. Actually such posts should not be allowed unless they carry a link or contact info of a store.

@Lord...: When I'm posting something for sale, I'm not looking for 5-10 buyers, just 1 who is serious enough to pick it up. Since someone starts lowballing and crapping, everyone waits in hope for prices to come down. Which is a raw deal in seller's case as many times people sell here in urgent need of cash.

Simply putting up a rule that thread crapper/lowballers must post information regarding price they quote, a link or contact info of the shop....will root out the problem altogether.

I'm not saying sellers should be allowed to dictate the price, but the system should be fair to them too.

In current scene, buyer is a looser only if he's stupid enough to not check the prices around.
 
Those who have no intention of buying anything should be penalized or given temporary bans! All communications should be kept in private, lowballers should be reported and banned.
 
@Arya: Thats exactly my point too. I am also against low balling. If someone wants to negotiate, then let them do it via PM.

But if its valid information we are talking about, no harm in allowing it in the thread for any prospective buyer to see. A post which says its available at XXX place (with details of dealer in full for any one contact) does not equate to low balling, that's information relevant to any serious buyer.

If someone is serious about buying the item, he would contact that dealer to get it from him. If it does not work out, he will obviously come back you. A serious buyer will not wait around for you to reduce your price. So you don't have to reduce prices just because someone posted information about a better deal.

Even If someone reduces prices to be able to compete with a valid market price, that cannot be considered a raw deal for the seller. He simply had to reduce it to make it a fair price with respect to the market price. Otherwise, the prospective buyer would be getting a raw deal.

I don't mind sellers dictating their price. A seller has every right to name his price. But allow others to post information that lets uninformed buyers know what they are getting into.
 
If anyone thinks that the seller is quoting very high price and won't get any buyer, why don't he pm the seller if he is that kind ??

@shripad

One suggestion: A member shouldn't be allowed to post or create thread in market section unless he has posts over 100 and is a member of TE for more than 30days.

I see that many of the members come here just to buy/sell stuffs. They aren't bothered about the main goal of this community. :no:
 
sabby said:
If anyone thinks that the seller is quoting very high price and won't get any buyer, why don't he pm the seller if he is that kind ??
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Maybe because PM's are not screened by mods and there are savages around who would abuse you indiscriminately even when you send info out of good will.

A typical lowballer has his own interests in mind, so it makes sense for him to make his negotiations via PM. But when you are posting info just for the sake of informing others, its best to be left in the open. You have the info and the proof for everyone to see. transparency plain and simple.

The only people who would not like such transparency are the ones who wouldn't think twice about overpricing their stuff and looking for 'bakara's to fall for it.
 
Shripad said:
In any case, we do not delete informative and correct information posts, but at the same time I hate to see people lowballing saying " Its available for just xxx more brand new, so sell it cheaper" etc etc.

Its these kind of people who needs some spanking.
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But isn't there a situation where making that sort of statement is correct?

If a product is available for Rs. 1 more brand new, then the comment is valid. Where can one draw the line where it becomes spank-worthy? A price difference of 10%? 20%? 50%?

I don't think there are any good guidelines for occasional sellers to define a price. How does depreciation affect electronics? Does a second hand item instantly lose 30-50% of its value even if it is a day old? If it is to be based on similar items on the market, what if there are not any?

Although I do agree with the premise of the thread topic, I believe that questions like these need to be answered\agreed upon before a post may be defined as 'clear lowballing'.
 
Selling at lower price is left to discretion of the seller. However, as Lord Nemesis said in his previous post, one should be allowed to post informative pricing of a product in question, even if he/she is not buying.

However important thing being is unless it comes with some proof...it should be taken out and a warning should be given to the poster.
 
There cant be general consensus regarding this. Different people have different views about devaluation of any item. That is why its better not to allow such things in market thread. As long as price of 2nd hand item is lower than retail price, noone has right to say that the price decided by seller is too high or too low ( noone will care about that ).

Let the seller work out his price, and let interested parties work it out via PM. Thats the only solution to the mess.

I had sold many of my items for higher cost than others for same item, but I do maintain my hardware, phones certain way for which I am free to ask more than others. ITs subjective, and thats why the market sale is no place for such discussions.

We many times dont delete comments by people even after sellers report them asking to be deleted as they are valid. But in cases of hardware, electronics sale, noone other than seller has right to decide fair price.

If you are interested and feel otherwise, contact the buyer via PM. Its not too difficult to do.

This needs to be implemented more strictly as I have seen couple of occasions where items were on purpose low balled in an attempt to get a genuine seller reduce his price to get concessions from other seller. Thankfully, somehow both sellers got in touch with each other and lowballer was caught :P.

I wont take names in public, but this fellow knows who he is and is very active here in markets. Unfortunately noone decided to report this matter officially to us even when I insisted them to report their conversation logs :P

These things can only be avoided when a tough stance is taken against all lowballers. There cant be any exceptions, not even for 1 Rupee.
 
the 100 post rule was discussed to death here.

It still wont prevent lowballing, it will make it difficult for people to just come here for market. But then again, we will get more spammers, and lot of sellers will loose prospective genuine buyers.

So it was decided not to implement that.
 
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