Graphic Cards ati hd 5770 or gtx 460 768 mb

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ravipawar21 said:
I have came to know about some price cuts in usa of nvidia 460 gtx it is now available there for a price of 169$ so i want to know if there are any price cuts in india too so i request you to please give me some suggestion whether i should wait now for one month or i should go for 5770 hd.
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You will have to wait for that , its just the US which has got the -$30 reduction , We don't know for sure wether we'd be having this reduction

Also you could cut back on the B I U mate , kinda not pleasing to the eye :|
 
ravipawar21 said:
@pegasus yes i know my budget is somewhat low for a gpu and psu

and secondly my motherboard is asus p5kvm and it supports quad core processor maximum but the main drawback of this is that it does not support ddr3 ram....:(...thats why i do not want to make any upgradation in the near future after this gpu and psu...

and after 2 or 3 years i might be buying a new pc.

so i would like to know which gpu and psu i should opt now ...

the gpu should should be good and i should be able to play almost all games with fps greater than 30 average..

and for psu suggest me a psu that just run this graphic card without any hiccups .. and please note that i am not upgrading anything on my this pc after this gpu and psu ..so please mention the sufficient power supply..:|

and this gpu and psu should not make a big hole in my pocket..

and also i request you to please mention me the price of the gpu and psu in nehru place...



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please give me the latest price info as soon as possible

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i have came to know about some price cuts in usa of nvidia 460 gtx it is now available there for a price of 169$ so i want to know if there are any price cuts in india too so i request you to please give me some suggestion whether i should wait now for one month or i should go for 5770 hd.
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As of now Zotac 768MB GTX460 costs ~ 11.2k and i would suggest a VX450~3.5-3.6k along with it.

So better wait a little while for the price revision to reflect in India and for these card to hit the ~10-10.5k mark.

As this is a major long term upgrade for u its better to go for the GTX460 over the HD5770 as gives 20% better performance and will last that much longer.

AXLE GeForce GTX 460 768 MB Review - Page 31/35 | techPowerUp
 
i am quite confused and frustrated ...even after so much discussion on this thread no one has given me a satisfying suggestion. first of all please consider the following things before answering my query--

1) please check my configuration first i have mentioned it in the starting of the thread.

2)please note down my samsung lcd monitor is 19 inches and has a native resolution of 1440*something.

3) main games i want to play are-

crisis with fps greater than 30 with all high setings

metro 2033 fps greater than 25 with all high settings

battlefield bad company 2 fps greater than 30

and all other dx 11 games which are releasing in future(i know i am demanding high things from my gpu for this budget .. but here your advice comes )

4) my budget is 14 k .. from previous answers by members i have following options-

msi hawk 5770

zotac nvidia 460 gtx 768 mb

zotac 460 gtx 1 gb

zotac 465 gtx 1 gb

zotac 450 gtx 1 gb

5) please keep in mind i do not want to upgrade anything after this gpu +psu .



6) which brand is better .

msi

point of view (they are giving gtx 460 1 gb for 12k)

sapphire

7) which psu will run my system smoothly with the gpu (keep in mind that i am not upgrading after this)



8) last but not the least are there any chances of good price cuts till october.

So please to all the members i want you to help me ..because this not only mine problem but can be the problem of other one also because i want to make an intelligent decision and for this i need your support

 
I believe both those cards will be an over kill for the resolution you game at. I would suggest going for the 5770 for now if you plan on keeping this lcd of yours. However if you do decide to upgrade to a better lcd later, I would rather you go for the gtx 460. MSI/Zotac are both good.
 
and what fps difference .

is there any significant difference between gtx 460 and 5770 for 1440 * resolution.

i am crysis fan..

can i buy point of view or i should wait for gtx 450 (which i think would give better performance than 5770 in metro ,mafia, crysis in 1440 resolution ) please help

and thank you very much for your reply
 
@ 1440x900, I don't think you will see any difference. A 8800gt/9800GT will probably max everything at that resolution. Avoid point of view/sparkle/galaxy. Stick to Asus/MSI/Gigabyte/Zotac/Xfx/Sapphire/Powercolor for ATI/Nvidia cards simply because of better after sales service these brands offer.
 
and what about point of view graphic card they are giving gtx 460 768 mb for 10.5k.

then should i go for hawk msi edition 5770

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thanks sunny so i am now opting for msi hawk 5770 gpu so now please tell me the psu for this card

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and please also tell me is hd5770 is better than new released gtx 450
 
Corsair CX400 ~ 2.7k/ Corsair VX450 ~ 3.5k (Go for the VX450 if u have the budget as it gives u more headroom and also has 5 yrs warranty against CX400's 3 yrs warranty)
 
at last all problem solved now going for

msi hd 5770 gpu

and 400 watt corsair..

thanks to all of you for hearing patiently my queries and solving it .

thanks to all ..:)
 
pegasus said:
Sorry sir- I couldn't see some posts when i posted. :S

The games he has listed are so "wow", i am not sure i can fit a better GPU and an equally good PSU in his budget. :ashamed:

Plus he wants to keep it for 3 years?

[strike]For now, a GTX460+VX450 will have to do i guess, helped by the fact that he has a C2D. :P[/strike]

(ideally from me, it's 5770+VX450 or GTX460+VX550)

ravi- Please mention your motherboard and how long will you hang on to this setup till you upgrade the processor and motherboard.
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Sorry for the mistake.

For me, it will always be-

Card needs 2 power connectors? Get VX550 or any good quality PSU that has 2x PCIe connectors native. :)

With your config, 5770+CX400 is ok too. :)
 
Card needs 2 power connectors? Get VX550 or any good quality PSU that has 2x PCIe connectors native.
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Does'nt the CM extreme series have 2 PCIE native connectors too :P, I think if a computer is not going to be overclocked 24/7 almost all mid-range GPU can suffice on 450 watts, as if you see the power draw charts the system draw hardly exceeds 350 watts for most of the configs. However bring an oced quad core into the picture, then I would want more juice for a stable performance.
 
ravipawar21 said:
and what about point of view graphic card they are giving gtx 460 768 mb for 10.5k.

then should i go for hawk msi edition 5770

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thanks sunny so i am now opting for msi hawk 5770 gpu so now please tell me the psu for this card

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and please also tell me is hd5770 is better than new released gtx 450
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yeah that POV is decent card with 3 year warranty , u can go for it with a VX450 , if u have budget then get 1Gb for 12k + VX450 . imo 5770 for 9k is not worth buying when 460 is just 1.5k more .

@ OTHERS , stop saying that 8800gt / 5770 can max out everything on 1600x900 , newer games like metro 2033 , bc2 etc are very heavy , even with a GTX 470 oced i am not able to play metro on very high that smooth , so there is no way 5770 can max out everything on 19 incher !
 
pegasus said:
Sorry for the mistake.

For me, it will always be-

Card needs 2 power connectors? Get VX550 or any good quality PSU that has 2x PCIe connectors native. :)

With your config, 5770+CX400 is ok too. :)
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Aces170 said:
Does'nt the CM extreme series have 2 PCIE native connectors too :P, I think if a computer is not going to be overclocked 24/7 almost all mid-range GPU can suffice on 450 watts, as if you see the power draw charts the system draw hardly exceeds 350 watts for most of the configs. However bring an oced quad core into the picture, then I would want more juice for a stable performance.
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What sir- why pull my leg? :(

I took extra effort to type 2 extra words- good quality. :P

I consider 12v rails only and that is 396W. so VX450 ok for me if not adding anything more and getting card with single power connector. :)

CX400 only for those who poor, not for those who have money for expensive phones/perfumes/ipods/iphones/gifts for GF/... but no money for PSU. :gap:

Mephistopheles said:
He said any good quality PSU, and CM extreme doesn't come under that category :P
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You serious or you pulling my leg again? :(
 
@ robo ghost thank you for giving me right info..

hence finally i have two options after lot of brainstorming ...i have chosen these two cards -

1) msi ati hd 5830 1gb ~ 13k

2) msi gtx 460 hawk ~ 14k

which one of these is better.

and i am purchasing coolermaster 500 watt psu~ 3k

so please tell me which gpu will give good performance of these two and is this psu right ..i have already given my pc configuration.

so please now just give right advice:(

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[ and please give honest and unbiased advice as i am here to get my problem resolved instead not to make things more confusing:(...very sad now did not expected such confusion from tech enclave as i am constantly stating every thing my pc config. games i want to play my native resolution ,constantly saying no upgradation after this gpu + psu but why i am given suggestion forupgrading(frustrated now), etc .but after all this my problem is not resolved.:(:;
 
^ Stop using bold or caps- akin to shouting.

And this is not techtree? you are really confused. :P

People just post suggestions as per their own ability/limitations- whether it's right or wrong is a decision you take. :)
 
then atleast give a good suggestionAngryAngryAngryAngry....you are just confusing me.... ihave no issue with you but atleast give answer to the query after studying it ...and for the typing mistake i am sorry for that..
 
ravipawar21 said:
@ robo ghost thank you for giving me right info..
hence finally i have two options after lot of brainstorming ...i have chosen these two cards -
1) msi ati hd 5830 1gb ~ 13k[/U][/B]
2) msi gtx 460 hawk ~ 14k
which one of these is better.
and i am purchasing coolermaster 500 watt psu~ 3k
so please tell me which gpu will give good performance of these two and is this psu right ..i have already given my pc configuration.
so please now just give right advice:(
and please give honest and unbiased advice as i am here to get my problem resolved instead not to make things more confusing:(...very sad now did not expected such confusion from tech enclave as i am constantly stating every thing my pc config. games i want to play my native resolution ,constantly saying no upgradation after this gpu + psu but why i am given suggestion forupgrading(frustrated now), etc .but after all this my problem is not resolved.:(
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Thats coz u use bold underline and RED color :P

Forum is a place to learn and not a place where one spoon feeds the other. Ppl are asking questions to provide u better suggestions as ur initial query was unclear.

Check the review of a higher rated PSU of the CM series u are talking about. The CM Extreme Power/Extreme Power plus series PSU quality plain suck.

Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 600 W Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets
Conclusions

Why manufacturers like Cooler Master are still carrying power supplies with fake wattages is a mystery to us. We know that this is a very low-end power supply, but this doesn’t give the manufacturer the right to lie. This unit should be labeled as a 450 W unit and sold for half of its price. Being labeled as a 600 W product and sold for USD 70, it is a complete rip-off.

If you pull more than 450 W from this product, it will offer real risk to your computer, plus it provides poor efficiency, between 69.2% and 77.6%. If you are looking for an inexpensive yet decent power supply, get an OCZ StealthXStream 500 W. It costs less than this Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus and presents better performance.

We also discovered that this unit is basically a Seventeam ST-500BAZ with the switching transistors upgraded, but this upgrade was too shy. The model from Seventeam uses 9 A transistors and the reviewed model uses 10 A transistors. By the way, the 550 W version of the eXtreme Power Plus and the Spire Jewel Black 650 W are simply a Seventeam ST-500BAZ power supply with a different name. In consequence, the only difference between the 550 W and the 600 W models of the eXtreme Power Plus are the switching transistors.
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PSU's are not just about what the manufacturer says it is capable of. Check the reviews. Thats a 600w PSU from the CM EPP series.

Corsair VX450W Power Supply Review | Hardware Secrets
This is a well built 450w unit from Corsair.

Conclusions

If we could summarize this power supply in just one word it would be “wow!”. Together with Antec EarthWatts 500 W this is the best power supply up to 500 W we have ever seen, bringing the best cost/benefit ratio for the average user building a mainstream PC with a good video card, graduating Summa Cum hahahahaha in our tests. You will bring home a relatively inexpensive power supply that even though is sold as being a 450 W unit can deliver up to 570 W at 48º C – in fact Corsair could have easily labeled this power supply as a 500 W unit, but they preferred to stay on the safe side.

This product has a higher price tag than other entry-level power supplies up to 450 W we have recently reviewed, but it is not more expensive. How is that possible? Since it can maintain efficiency above 85% even though you will initially pay a higher price to bring this product home the savings you will have on you electricity bill will compensate the buy in just a few months, especially if you keep your computer turned on for several hours a day.

Comparing Corsair VX450W to other entry-level power supplies we have reviewed recently (the exception goes to Zalman ZM360B-APS) is like comparing the old VW Beetle to the new one. This model from Corsair brings an updated design with active PFC, higher efficiency, lower noise level and the ability to deliver far more than its labeled power and also more cables: six peripheral power cables against four and six SATA power cables cables against four or even two.

As we mentioned, this product is identical to Antec EarthWatts 500 W, but using better capacitors – it was really good to see Japanese capacitors on an entry-level product –, a better-looking housing (black vs. standard grey), a better cooling system (120 mm fan vs. 80 mm fan) and more power plugs (six peripheral power plugs vs. three; six SATA power plugs vs. three). But Antec EarthWatts has as a big advantage coming with two video card power cables. In fact this is the only problem with this product from Corsair: if you want to use two video cards in SLI or CrossFire modes you will need to use an adapter to convert a standard peripheral power plug into a 6-pin auxiliary video card power plug. Being in fact a 570 W product, it can easily feed two video cards.
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Check Hardwaresecrets and JonnyGuru for PSU revies because they are the two best PSU reviews sites out there and review a PSU in a way thats meant to be.

Now coming to the cards, the GTX460 beats the stuffing out the HD5830. Not sure abt the availabilty and pricing of the Hawk. But the GTX460 Cyclone 1GB GDDR5 was listed for 13.2k in Primeabgb,mumbai. U can also go for the cheper 768MB sibling which should cost 11-11.5k.

Also do remeber Nvidia has slashed reference GTX460 768MB price from $200-->$170 and 1GB versions price from $230-->$220. Pricing should reflect in India in a week or so. So keep this in Mind.

For PSU get a Corsair VX450 ~ 3.5k-3.6k

@RoBoGhOsT --> In case of playing Metro2033/BC2 wouldn't his now ageing C2D 7200 be a bottleneck?
 
ravipawar21 said:
@ robo ghost thank you for giving me right info..

hence finally i have two options after lot of brainstorming ...i have chosen these two cards -

1) msi ati hd 5830 1gb ~ 13k

2) msi gtx 460 hawk ~ 14k

which one of these is better.

and i am purchasing coolermaster 500 watt psu~ 3k

so please tell me which gpu will give good performance of these two and is this psu right ..i have already given my pc configuration.

so please now just give right advice:(

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[ and please give honest and unbiased advice as i am here to get my problem resolved instead not to make things more confusing:(...very sad now did not expected such confusion from tech enclave as i am constantly stating every thing my pc config. games i want to play my native resolution ,constantly saying no upgradation after this gpu + psu but why i am given suggestion forupgrading(frustrated now), etc .but after all this my problem is not resolved.:(:;
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dont go for CM 500w , get zotac / POV 460 1gb + VX450 if u have budget problem otherwise get hawk + VX450 .

one more thing , ati drivers are still not that good with battlefield bc2 , i was using 5850 overclocked to max and still in bc2 there was heavy frame drop in intense fights , it should perform equal to 470 at those clocks , but it didnt , now 470 is running super smooth no fps drop and about 20-30 fps higher with oced 470 than oced 5850 . .
 
@DarkAngel

Although I completely agree with you but sometimes some PSU of a similar series has performance differences. In this case (i.e. EPP series) the 500W one actually does supply its rated power, so one should avoid generalizing :) [Although I do not recommend this PSU due to some efficiency reasons]
 
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