Graphic Cards ATI's X1900 XTX kicks Nvidia's 7800 GTX 512 in the nutz

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We won't go much into technical detail but we will try to address explain what is new with the R580 chip. ATI made a completely new chip and it is not simple a speeded up R520. It is, however, based on R520 marchitecture and it is very much a like the R520 but it has more pixel Shader processors. The R520, Radeon X1800 XT has sixteen pixel pipelines and R580 is no different. They both have eight Vertex Shader units as well. The R580-based Radeon X1900 uses the same memory controller that has internal 512 bit ring but, in reality, the memory controller is 256 bit as it is supporting 256-bit memory.

The only difference is that the R580, Radeon X1900 generation card has 48 pixel Shader processors while R520 has 16. This means it can do all pixel Shader intensive operations up to three times faster. This is a theoretical number and once you see the scores you will see that R580 is actually faster than R520 in almost every game and benchmark but of course not even close to three times as faster.

The R580 has more Arithmetical logic units and has more transistors, 384 million to be precise, and it is a little big bigger than the R520.

ATI slightly changed its clock speeds. Now the card works at 650MHz and the memory has been upped by 50MHz and is set to 1550MHz. The card looks exactly like a Radeon X1800 XT, it has the same cooler and you can not really tell the difference.

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Conclusion

Finally, for a change, it is rather easy to judge this card. The Radeon X1900XTX is a good step forward in ATI's development and it does kick Geforce 7800 GTX 512 in the performance nutz. It won't kill it stone dead but it scores faster in almost every single game or scenario. It is specially faster in very important FSAA 4X and 8X Aniso as these are the settings that someone who buys such games should be playing at. It is a simple choice: if you are not an Nvidia fanatic and you prefer to have the fastest card around the Radeon X1900XTX should be your choice. If you are the proud owner of Geforce 7800 GTX 512 card you are fine you still have a very good card, a good competitor to ATI's X1900XTX but not a faster one. The Radeon X1800XTX is behind those two but it can still give you a nice performance.

We know that Nvidia is working on its G71 but it is not yet announced. This one might turn out even faster than the Radeon X1900XTX. It all depends on Nvidia's clocks and Nvidia's yields and at this point no one can tell how those two things will go.

Obviously, Nvidia now knows what it is up against and it will fight furiously to win its crown back. Nvidia likes crowns as maybe its CEO thinks he is a king. In that case I know a lot of princelings/ executives. Nvidia is working hard on G71, possibly named Geforce 7900 GTX or something, but until it announces it but until Nvidia manages to get its crown back, the Radeon X1900XTX is the fastest card around. As simple as beans.
 
Why dont you merge this thread with the existing X1900XT reviews thread started by Harshal. It has reviews from AT, TR, etc.....

All the discussion has also been going on in the other thread.
 
Well, it was obvious that the x1900xtx will win over the 7800GTX 512.

I dunno why people are comparing the x1900xtx to the 7800GTX 512.

The 6800Ultra was never compared to the 9800Pro now was it :bleh:

I have a feeling the 90nm 700Mhz 7900GTX is gonna own the x1900xtx.

Since the x1900xtx only beats the 7800GTX 512 by like 10 - 15%, and does loose in some tests. :).
 
True.... what is the big deal in the XTX beating the 7800GTX 512. It had to. Otherwsie, it was not worht it.
As of now the XTX is the fastest video card on the planet. Let us see if it retains that crown after the 7900.

But still, I think sacrificing that last few FPS to get a much better IQ will be better. So, in that regard, ATI Rules!!! :P
 
goldenfrag said:
Well, it was obvious that the x1900xtx will win over the 7800GTX 512.
I dunno why people are comparing the x1900xtx to the 7800GTX 512.
The 6800Ultra was never compared to the 9800Pro now was it :bleh:
I have a feeling the 90nm 700Mhz 7900GTX is gonna own the x1900xtx.
Since the x1900xtx only beats the 7800GTX 512 by like 10 - 15%, and does loose in some tests. :).

Well you compare new products with existing products. G71 only exists in the rumor mill as of now.
 
^^QFT

What matters is NOW... Whats the situation NOW... Dont live in Past... Dont Live in Future... Live in present and present situation saya X1900XTX is the winner... And mostly is available unlike Nv 7800 GTX 512 MB... If given the money and you had to buy a card Today you wont buy 7800 GTX 512 will you... Well even if you say you will buy 7800 GTX 512 you wont be able to find it :ohyeah:
 
Switch said:
^^QFT

What matters is NOW... Whats the situation NOW... Dont live in Past... Dont Live in Future... Live in present and present situation saya X1900XTX is the winner... And mostly is available unlike Nv 7800 GTX 512 MB... If given the money and you had to buy a card Today you wont buy 7800 GTX 512 will you... Well even if you say you will buy 7800 GTX 512 you wont be able to find it :ohyeah:
wicked :bleh: but true!!
 
Now to put things in a better way, I do agree that IQ and performance wise X1900 is a better product loads of Money can buy. But this GPU(s) are to be compared by Genration/Revision. So, tho it beats GTX512,. You are not comapring exact match. It is like saying FX60 doing better then Intel's 6XX Pentium.

EDIT:

$100 premium for XTX is also not worth 3% hike in core freq and 7-8% on mem. X1900XT makes more sense, but availibility is one question time will answer.

PS: Sampsa and Macci @ XS have gone thru the roof already with those Almost 19K in 3DM05.
 
Yes well 2 bits here....fans will be fans...comparisons will always be there...what's important is that such close competitions by NVIDIA and ATI will only help consumers by further reducing prices..which may not be apparent in the just launched products but will gradually trickle down and force lower products to fall further...
 
Yes you are kindaa right... But i dont really see prices dropping much... This is what i feel it will be from now on...

X1900XTX $549

X1900XT $500

X1800XT $400

X1800XL $300

7800GTX 512 $500

7800GTX 256 $400

7800GT $300
 
Switch said:
^^QFT

What matters is NOW... Whats the situation NOW... Dont live in Past... Dont Live in Future... Live in present and present situation saya X1900XTX is the winner... And mostly is available unlike Nv 7800 GTX 512 MB... If given the money and you had to buy a card Today you wont buy 7800 GTX 512 will you... Well even if you say you will buy 7800 GTX 512 you wont be able to find it :ohyeah:

considering the fact that u are not a nvidiot ....

J/K

GTX 512MB is readily available even in india ....... i asked 2 days before at Rashi, cochin and they quoted 42k for the card from XFX and told me that it will be available in 4-5 days as soon as payment it made ...... they have sold the first one in cochin ....... i was very surprized to hear that ......
 
Rahul said:
considering the fact that u are not a nvidiot ....

J/K

GTX 512MB is readily available even in india ....... i asked 2 days before at Rashi, cochin and they quoted 42k for the card from XFX and told me that it will be available in 4-5 days as soon as payment it made ...... they have sold the first one in cochin ....... i was very surprized to hear that ......
hah ATI will source u 2 X1800XT's for that rate....:bleh:
And I am definitely not an ATI fan...even my office is green :bleh:
 
^^ Try

My friend is very close the the ATi head of sumthing here in mumbai.

ATi was a sponsor for my frnds tourney... which never happened that is..

He said the best he can give us an x1800xt is for 35k.

That too itll take about 1 week :bleh:
 
goldenfrag said:
^^ Try
My friend is very close the the ATi head of sumthing here in mumbai.
ATi was a sponsor for my frnds tourney... which never happened that is..
He said the best he can give us an x1800xt is for 35k.
That too itll take about 1 week :bleh:
Pal source in India means papa in the company + phoren trip....test cards etc...
friend not good enough...but seriously... 35K is on the high side...at least 5~8K less...
 
I was talking about buying it.

I do get ATi cards for cheaper, but not cheaper compared to US Prices.

so thats why i always buy from USA. :).
 
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