Ayurveda for Diabetes and Metabolic Disorders at IISc

Pharma companies often use traditional medicine for drug design. Some times just repackaging the active compound.
Yet Ayurveda people keep saying that modern medicine fears ayurveda because their profits will decline. When in reality if Ayurveda actually finds something that works, pharma companies will shamelessly adopt it and sell it. It's just that most Ayurveda claims cannot be proven by the standards of modern medicine.

Ayurveda/Homoeopathy claim to have the cure for any disease as long they don't have to take accountability of the results. Their patients also come to them with low or no expectations. As soon as they have to give measurable results they will refer you to real doctors.
 

What is so secret about this ;)
"Known for its integrative approach combining ayurveda, homoeopathy, naturopathy, and yoga, SIHHC provides personalised wellness programs aimed at managing stress, detoxification, and restoring health balance. "
 
Ayurveda/Homoeopathy claim to have the cure for any disease as long they don't have to take accountability of the results. Their patients also come to them with low or no expectations. As soon as they have to give measurable results they will refer you to real doctors.
It's the same as influencers: they don't care if something works or not. They get paid either way. Their job is to make you believe that it works.

YT does the same: they don't care if a video is factual or not. They make money as long as you stare at the screen. That's why they removed the video rating.

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The other side of the coin: modern medicine isn't accessible in certain regions or to certain economic groups. Faith medicine is all they can actually get. Even the false hope given by such practitioners is better than the despair of realising they're too poor to access. Even if it is ineffective and they die due to their condition, doing something feels better than doing nothing. False hope is still hope. It is this hope they are selling, not medicine.
 
Homeopathy is beyond stupid and outright scam. The people who practices Homeopathy (imposters) wants you to think they are the same as others so they can be validated along with other forms of medicinal science.
But Ayurveda and Homeopathy is pseudo-science tho??

I'm no Doctor/Scientist, but it has been said most of the alternative medicinal treatment do not have the desired effect to treat diseases. IMO Allopathic medicine is an upgrade and follows scientific process, more effective in treating chronic diseases. Gov should recognize the limitations of alternative medicines and act responsibly.
 
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Lot of medicines are discovered from nature, multi-faceted research is ongoing in this field.
Ayurveda already provide lot of hints where to search and that is why internationally there are lot of patent applications for herbs involved in ayurveda. Abjectly nullifying Ayurveda is not going to make anyone new age intellectual, rather will make them un-pragmatically mentally blind people, all the while enjoying the benefits of modern research.
This subjugated, self disrespecting, inferiority loaded attitude is only why India didn't get a Nobel prize similar to Tu Youyou of Chinese origin.
 
one World Wide Famous Brand Baby Powder, well scientifically researched for decades & decades ... than suddenly stop due to... is any one remember ....
That is the whole point of scientific thinking. If something is proved helpful, use it.

If something is proved to be dangerous, stop using it.

No one will come and say how dare you insult my tradition of harming babies. Unlike, say Ayurveda, which used Lead, a known toxic metal in certain preparations. Or religion which blindly says bathing in the Ganges will wash away your sins, but fails to take into account you will be exposed to a cocktail of toxic chemicals and human waste.

There is no us vs them in science. There's only truth. Find it. Accept it. Move on.
 
That is the whole point of scientific thinking. If something is proved helpful, use it.
When science failed, is it pseudo science ?
If something is proved to be dangerous, stop using it.
Why this convenience is only allowed for corporate sponsored modern science ?
Unlike, say Ayurveda, which used Lead, a known toxic metal in certain preparations.
How common is this ? How many people use this on purpose ?
There is no us vs them in science. There's only truth. Find it. Accept it. Move on.
Yeah, very convenient, when fails it is simply not science though !
No accountability what-so-ever !
For eg., simply let people Thalidomide in the name of science and let generations suffer. When exposed, blame science, profit !
Or remembering Opioid Manufacturer Purdue Pharma controversy happened just last very few years.
 
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Lot of medicines are discovered from nature, multi-faceted research is ongoing in this field.
Ayurveda already provide lot of hints where to search and that is why internationally there are lot of patent applications for herbs involved in ayurveda. Abjectly nullifying Ayurveda is not going to make anyone new age intellectual, rather will make them un-pragmatically mentally blind people, all the while enjoying the benefits of modern research.
This subjugated, self disrespecting, inferiority loaded attitude is only why India didn't get a Nobel prize similar to Tu Youyou of Chinese origin.
Disagreement between modern medicine and ayurveda/homoeopathy is not about what works and doesn't work, it's about how do we confirm that it is working. If something in any other field is shown to work by the standards of modern medicine, it is immediately adopted. These are not some super complex sophisticated standards btw, every medicine you see in a chemist shop has gone through that process and proven to work.

As for inferiority/self loathing argument you made, remember that homoeopathy is not Indian, it is European. Modern medicine does not have any special disdain for Ayurveda, it is the same as for homoeopathy. For some reason in India people love any and all pseudoscience, so they are happy to adopt even European scams. Indian TV channels are doing 1 hour programs on Nostradamus and Bulgarian Baba Venga as if we don't have enough babas already. Homoeopathy has the largest number of believers in India. This is the reason why India did not win a Nobel Prize - lack of scientific temper in the general population.
 
Why this convenience is only allowed for corporate sponsored modern science ?
Why don't you ask our supreme leader who is busy mixing petrol with alcohol and still charging 100+ even after global crude oil price fell.

Or his grand Make in India initiative that sticks Indian made stickers on Chinese products.

Or how he banned a certain noodle overnight to make space for a local brand.
 
Why don't you ask our supreme leader who is busy mixing petrol with alcohol and still charging 100+ even after global crude oil price fell.
Nice scientific tempered argument./s lolz.
He is doing it because you Indians voted and let him (I didn't and won't).
No relation with Ayurveda.

Or his grand Make in India initiative that sticks Indian made stickers on Chinese products.
That is not his personal business.
Typical Indian business and mindset, the same greedy, dishonest, inferiority complex induced behavior.

Or how he banned a certain noodle overnight to make space for a local brand.
Was it Ayurvedic, relgious or political ?
Just connected to deshbakti like Hindi ?
Disagreement between modern medicine and ayurveda/homoeopathy is not about what works and doesn't work, it's about how do we confirm that it is working.
See, there is no denying here about modern medicine.
The only subject which am trying to convey is that if there is a cure in natural medicine that should not be ignored. It should be scientifically studied.
But to scientifically study that, one have to admit there are some hints in ayurveda which some boneheaded people purposefully try to hide or put their head in sand.
That is the only message here.
This is the reason why India did not win a Nobel Prize - lack of scientific temper in the general population.
You are not going to lose scietific temper if you read some old manuals.
Rather, will learn to think better.
Did you read how Tu Youyou got Nobel prize ? As mentioned earlier, would like to see an Indian version of that. How that will be possible if average Indian is drunk on modern disillusioned woke mandate in everything they think ?

I didn't comment about homeopathy.
Also, this same topic is discussed to oblivion in other threads, but putting words in other's mouths, self disrespect, political mudslinging and more boneheadedness is where it is going. Not a bit of understanding where other party stands.
Also majorly off topic to topic in OP's main thread.
 
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The only subject which am trying to convey is that if there is a cure in natural medicine that should not be ignored. It should be scientifically studied.
This is already happening both by scientists as well ayurvedic institutions. Science has never rejected something just because it comes from plants/animals. So many medicines are made using plants and so many vaccines are made using animal blood/cell culture as part of the process. All it cares about is the end result.

Ayurveda research institutions have already been trying for so many years to prove ayurvedic treatments using clinical trials. So there is no possibility of bias as this is being done by proponents of Ayurveda. Ramdev is spending crores of money for the same. Unfortunately the reality is that the lofty claims often don't give results in the trials.

You are not going to lose scietific temper if you read some old manuals.
All religious and traditional texts have already gotten their fair share of attention from academics in the previous century. Unfortunately the basic theories of Ayurveda itself are illogical and cannot be proven. No Ayurveda research institute has yet come up with a test to measure vata,pitta,kapha,rajas,tamas, etc. Nor are they trying because they know very well the concept itself is unscientific. Remaining part of ayurveda which is clinical practice using traditional techniques and herbs is always welcome to be included in modern medicine as long as it is shown to work. So I don't understand why you think Ayurveda is not being given attention.
 
Yeah, very convenient, when fails it is simply not science though !
No accountability what-so-ever !
For eg., simply let people Thalidomide in the name of science and let generations suffer. When exposed, blame science, profit !
There is greed in every field. Isn't it there even in religion? Do priests give guarantee that paying for a certain puja will result in 100% success in whatever the devotee wants?

The accountability lies in the fact that you can sue J&J. Can you sue a temple or a priest or a Ayurveda practitioner?

Or remembering Opioid Manufacturer Purdue Pharma controversy happened just last very few years.
Lol what makes you think opioids aren't prescribed here? I got rear ended by a car once, the pain was so bad I couldn't even move/sleep. Docs had to prescribe me synthetically prepared opioids, (which was the 2nd most powerful painkiller, I think). Being a narcotic it put me into a trance like state for 20 out of 24 hours in a day. The pain was still bad, but bearable.

However those tablets had a side effect - it was causing constipation. Inspite of the narcotic effect, I managed to tell the doc, and they put me on a different pain killer, which was slightly less effective, but didn't cause constipation.

That is not his personal business.
Typical Indian business and mindset, the same greedy, dishonest, inferiority complex induced behavior.
If he wants to promote local manufacturing, he should focus on that instead of making stickers. Or building statues.

How common is this ? How many people use this on purpose ?
The problem is people don't even KNOW what is in the potion/concoction. That is the whole problem. Faith medicines only credential is FAITH, not proof.
The practitioner should see how a 'medicine' affects the individual patient and adjust accordingly, not have a "one size fits all" approach.


Nice scientific tempered argument./s lolz.
I'm just replying to your BS in kind ;)

Here's a "scientific tempered argument" for you:
  1. Did you take the COVID vaccine which was not developed by Ayurveda/Homeo?
  2. Have you/your family members taken any vaccines/injections/tablets developed by modern medicine
  3. Are you using modern tech right now to talk to people hundreds/thousands of km away?
If your answer is 'Yes' to any ONE of them, you are a hypocrite and your opinion is worth less than crap, plain and simple.

He is doing it because you Indians voted and let him (I didn't and won't).
You know what they say about ASSuming stuff? :p


PS: I know from our previous interactions you are a troll account that tries to derail topics. I reply coz I have the time to prevent people from believing your BS.

PS2: Ayurveda = only "natural" sources like herbs.
Modern medicine = "natural" AND synthetic sources
 
Or religion which blindly says bathing in the Ganges will wash away your sins, but fails to take into account you will be exposed to a cocktail of toxic chemicals and human waste.
I'm pretty sure religion did not start telling people to bathe in ganga today. When they started telling people that ( who knows how long ago ) I don't think there were any said chemicals and other things there.
The good and bad what happened to the planet is Human. Something that was good then is a shithole today. and who knows what might happen in the future.
 
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I'm pretty sure religion did not start telling people to bathe in ganga today. When they started telling people that ( who knows how long ago ) I don't think there were any said chemicals and other things there.
Congrats, you got my point.

Did religion come and inform anyone that Ganga is no longer safe? No

Are Ayurveda practitioners turning a blind eye to information/tech/"chemicals" available today and sticking to outdated methods, leaving many patients to suffer? Yes
 
All it cares about is the end result.
Yes, end result is all that matters.
Unfortunately the reality is that the lofty claims often don't give results in the trials.
May be they find ways to refine the process more.
For eg., how modern medicine took a clue from nature and created the new wonder drug Ozempic.
Hope we Indians can do something better, am keeping hope, what else we can do.
Remaining part of ayurveda which is clinical practice using traditional techniques and herbs is always welcome to be included in modern medicine as long as it is shown to work.
Accept what works, can ignore what does not work at all. Now, follow your own comments:
So I don't understand why you think Ayurveda is not being given attention.
^^ Answer to this question is in your own comment:
Ayurveda itself are illogical and cannot be proven.
There is greed in every field.
Agree. It's innate human psyche, can't help it.
Isn't it there even in religion? Do priests give guarantee that paying for a certain puja will result in 100% success in whatever the devotee wants?
If you went to god and priest asking for 100% result, you get what you deserve. Because you neither understand your god nor the ritual nor the priest.
No wonder your comments are equally irrational, does not match logic :)
May be you should be learning more about this topic too.
The accountability lies in the fact that you can sue J&J. Can you sue a temple or a priest or a Ayurveda practitioner?
Well, there are cases against Ayurveda practitioners too, not about the practice.
When you can sue J&J, you cannot sue your version of 'modern science' which enabled J&J.
Nor tons of other similar cases allow you to sue 'modern medicine'.
Lol what makes you think opioids aren't prescribed here?
You don't know or are acting as if you don't know about the entire episode, either due to ignorance or willful ignorance.
Not interested in explaining that here anyways, use your modern science way of understanding what the controversy is about.
The problem is people don't even KNOW what is in the potion/concoction.
Just because you don't know what you are talking about does not mean that other have same problem.
If your answer is 'Yes' to any ONE of them, you are a hypocrite and your opinion is worth less than crap, plain and simple.
You even don't know what you are talking about, my comments fully supported modern medicine in this very thread.
I got 3 Pfizer mRNA vaccine dozes much earlier than most Indians could, payed a hefty amount for that due to some logistic reasons (not legal), got mildly severe reaction from it.
However, I also have a close one whose life is only saved because of ayurveda (after being discharged from most modern hospital of the time, leaving to destiny), which I don't want to discuss here on this sub with such shallow people.
Your comment standards seems to be very naive and young, shows extreme lack of life experience and general understanding of life. May life will let you learn more in due time.
You know what they say about ASSuming stuff? :p
What ever new-age shit you like smelling, keep smelling it.
Am not even in India, so it does not matter to me.
Being so naive also does not help you think properly, so let it be.
Modern medicine = "natural" AND synthetic sources
Seeing the absolute hypocrite here. Everything that works n1r0 is modern medicine, even if sourced from ayurveda.
When fails, starts to stymie other person, as mentioned earlier.
PS: I know from our previous interactions you are a troll account that tries to derail topics. I reply coz I have the time to prevent people from believing your BS.
Here comes the name calling side, as mentioned earlier. Side effect of being modern mandate believer probably.
Still you are here, whining at trolls following your dumb instinct.
 
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Are Ayurveda practitioners turning a blind eye to information/tech/"chemicals" available today and sticking to outdated methods, leaving many patients to suffer? Yes
Lol, there is lot of protest against this from allopathic practitioners, even legal kind, if am not mistaken.
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And approved by court, a decision I also agree with, partially:

 
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Religion and Ayurveda are not working the same way the used to at that time.
Now 99% of them are only there for money and Screwing the people.
Right again. So is the government. Why provide the more expensive modern meds when people will stupidly take outdated meds that cost but a fraction. More money to be pocketed here.

And then there's education: why build modern schools to educate the next generation when they can build gurukuls and indoctrine them into the religious machine to further oppress the people.

Why impose Hindi of all languages? Impose English.

Politics and religion has always helped one other
 
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