Market Feedback Be very alert while buying from anyone- eg. vriship

[BIKeINSTEIN]

We have been having quite a few disputes on sales and a bit too often for anyone's liking or comfort.

TE market used to be a place for mutial benefit of members but it's hounded by petty people/dealers for petty gains these days.

This is personal request to everyone to be very very careful and very cautious and alert while buying anything from anyone-

irrespective of their join date, post count, reps or itrust score.

Please do not jump at deals , especially those that may potray a cheap deal and skip on posting important details about age, warranty, specs, clear pics and any other important information.

If a seller is not keen on replying to any queries or providing any proper details, especially even after asking for the same, please move away and do not test your luck just cause the price may seem so low.

Most cases that have gone bad are similar.

And sometimes, even if a case seems ok, we can still falter.

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Presenting a case in study- vriship

with resp. to the sale-

http://www.techenclave.com/members-market/dell-e228wfp-for-6-5k-ebay-163134.html

He sold an item with absolutely wrong details and even provided a bill that wasn't genuine.

The entire process took a period of 2 weeks or more, till i received the psu, via via some friends.

And till the time i got it in my hand and some days after that, the seller effectively kept clarifying all queries/doubts in a very friendly manner and kept negating any query/remark that hinted at some wrongdoing.

Even after being directly queried on the origin of the product regularly, the seller kept denying all direct/indirect/clear hints at why the details may not be true as declared in the sale thread, the PMs and during telephonic conversations.

The seller went to the extent of producing a nice detailed bill to support the false claims- which was either made by him or got made from some regular dealer of his.

After getting the psu and almost confirming my doubt and having collected proof to confirm my doubts- i kept hinting and hoping he will accept his mistake but he kept beating around the bush.

I did have some very powerful evidence that i didn't want to use as i didn't want to involve others and trouble them and wanted to collect proof in facts and prove the wrongdoing with the same.

I didn't want to this to go the usual itrader -ve rating way and kept hoping that better sense will prevail and this guy will confess and hence i kept postponing a thread on this til a very long time.

It didn't make me angry but only very hurt thinking how could people go to such extreme lengths to cover up lies spoken earlier- especially when they seemed so nice and from cultured and well-educated backgrounds.

The seller finally called back and accepted his mistake and duly apologised and tried to assure me that it was the first and last time he had done such a thing.

He said that since he didn't have a bill for some items, he had requested some regular dealer to add the items to some later purchase or something like that.

I am still not clear or convinced about the exact reason or method for the same.

He has refunded/EFTed the money a day or 2 back and am very grateful to the seller for the same.

I have the psu packed up at my place and am checking for any friends headed towards where the seller lives and can drop this off there.

I couldn't have given an almost 3 years old psu to a friend whom i had assured that a year old psu for 5K and that too an HX620 is a better buy over a new VX550.

And neither could i have kept anything from an untruthful person, even if it was for free.

Maybe i was just plain lucky or my habit of asking as many questions as possible, screenies, pics, contact info, etc saved me.

I am not sure if anyone else, especially some newer person would have found it till much later or too late, especially when they needed to rma it.

here is the entire tale from my end and i have tried to present all facts as correctly as possible.

It's a bit too long as usual- sorry- but please do read it.

I saw the sale thread by vriship for a Dell E228 at 8K and a June 2009 bought HX620 at 5.9K.

I was immediately interested as a friend was looking for a new psu and a new lcd but expected a lil drop in the pricing.

When i saw the price drop on the psu to 5250/- shipped, I PMed vriship immediately, expressing my keen interest in both.

A day later he PMed asking about my status on the same as he had confirmed buyers in line, especially for the psu.

I duly apologised and told him that the psu was a surity but i wasn't sure about the lcd as what my friend will get dfinally- a 24 or 20 or 22HD or 22non-HD.

And stated that i hadn't PMed yet as i wanted to confirm both as that was a decent monitor.

So told him that hold the psu for sure- if my friend doesn't take it, i will pay for sure- i was that sure about the hx620.

I also told him that my frnd was planning a VX450 but i was trying to squeeze in a VX550 as i prefer 2x PCIe connectors, especially as he has a 4870.

Also since his the hx620 is quite new- bought in June 2009 as per the sale thread- i was quite hopeful my friend would be ok with buying a used product based on my judgement.

The initial few days i asked a lot of queries via PM and even apologised for asking so much.

The sale thread didn't have much details anyways.

I asked about age, warranty, bought from, if bill there or not, box not there acknowledged but other accessories available or not, etc

He said he had bought it from a local dealer in Thane and all seemed ok.

I also inquired if he had the 8-pin(/6+2 pin) PCIe cables or did he order them later as those who didn't had mailed Corsair who sent it for free.

he replied he only had 6-pin cables.

That is what triggered a little confusion and the first hint of doubt,

as i have bought and installed quite a few HX620s, own an HX620 and sold 2x HX620 and discussed the same with the few HX620 owners on TE.

I had some 2007 end models that had 6+2 pin PCie connectors native

Then how come a 2009 model didn't have that.

Then around the same time, it also struck me that Gannu and me were selling HX620 around the same time and had even discussed the sale and prices then.

And somehow i feebly remembered that vriship was the one who had bought it finally.

A quick search on TE confirmed it- Gannu had an Aug 2007 HX620 that vriship bought in Oct 2009 iirc.

And then began a rather unwanted and unfortunate doubt in my mind,

which also irritated me a lot as i felt i was unnecessarily doubting someone who had already posted clearly that it was bought much recently in June 2009.

After being bugged by it for a day or two and contemplating if i should ask him or not,

coz i didn't want to doubt him just on the basis of a wild unfounded fear and offend him in the process, i finally asked him, on phone.

(By this time our interactions were mostly on phone and we even discussed other sales, h/w etc and he was very friendly and nice all the time)

He said that this was not the same one and that the Gannu one was sold or bought for or given to some friend- something like that iirc.

I said to myself that i am worrying unnecessarily and moved on to the details on payment and pickup.

I requested a little more discount as shipping was avoided in my case and he graciously offered the psu for 5.1K first and then 5K, provided i pickup from his place.

It was not feasible for me to go to Thane but i had some cash/EFT coming in from a TE friend who was also headed this way that weekend.

I told vriship that one guy from Thane owed a friend some money for some stuff i had sold on TE recently,

and i will request him to divert a part of it in cash to him and also pickup the psu and get it along.

It looked like a good plan, especially when vriship informed me that they had interacted earlier and that guy also knew his place.

The tentative date was set for any day between Thu, 1st April and Sat 3rd April, as that person was waiting for his salary to get credited to his account.

I also told him that it's better that he gets paid first and then only hands over the psu, as is the norm with TE deals.

He also was very courteous and said that there is no hurry for the money.

I still informed him that if he needs money urgently, i will get it EFTed asap.

But the payment+pickup got delayed and that friend's visit was getting postponed too and i couldn't delay my friend's pc due to my issues.

But then another guy from Thane seemed headed this way the very next day or so as he had to pick up some stuff i owed him.

It was 6th April mostly or was it 5th- mostly 6th i feel.

I called up vriship and told him it will be very kind of him if he can let the 1st guy pickup the psu and drop it off at the 2nd guy's place,

so that 2nd guy may get it along and the pc doesn't get delayed any further.

Vriship was nice and agreed and also said that he was also gonna say the same, that i get the psu picked up,

as he may head out of town for a few days if plans work out as it was his bday the next day.

I wished him in advance him and also thanked him a lot and requested him to PM me a photo of the bill so that i can show it to my friend and also send me his account info for EFT.

I am not sure now if the pic was sent before pickup or after but the psu got picked up without me having paid him.

When i saw the price for the hx620 as 8.9K, i was shocked and PMed immediately as how did he buy it so high as it was never ever that high.

He had replied that he had checked price on TE too before he bought it and it was more feasible to buy it locally than from lammy.

Then also added that maybe the price was high as ... - a reason i find unmentionable here.

The 2nd guys' trip got cancelled and i decided to temporarily install a VX450 i had picked up for another friend or my hx620 and give away the pc.

Then vriship's trip got cancelled and he also wanted money asap as he had to pay for something he bought suddenly and called me up to EFT it if possible.

The other guy who had picked up the psu and was keeping it till he came here hadn't got his pay yet till the previous day.

So before doing an EFT, i decided to check one more time and he said he got his salary and will pay vriship on his way back home from work that very evening.

They interacted between themselves that day and just before vriship arrived at a common place, my friend called up to tell me that he was waiting and will pay as soon as vriship arrives.

The next day i checked with vriship if he had got his amount.

All seemed ok.

My friend came with the psu on 10th morning.

I had to ready some stuff for him and the day went by in attending to other stuff and i left for the meet.

Came back late sat night and sunday also almost went by.

I then opened the package to inspect the psu.

3 things struck me instantly and then everything seemed weird.

(1) The cables-

All the flat modular cables were zip-tied and that also seemed ok till i noticed the 2x 6-pin PCie vcables.

They seemed like someplace out of my memory.

I checked Gannu's 620 sale pics and they looked almost the same or may i say almost identical- tied with fat zip ties.

(2) The serial number-

It looked rather odd for a 2009 psu- R0701... .

Unfortunately, i couldn't recollect or dig up the serial nos for the HX620s i had.

I ran a search for all corsair psus on TE and other forums and was unable to establish a concrete pattern but there definitely seemed like one.

But some VX450s bought in 2009 had the first 4 digits as R0904... , resembling the year and month or year and week as in AMD cpu steppings.

So i called up a few friends who had HX620 and asked them to provide me their serial numbers.

The 2 hx620s i got the numbers for were from Prime; one in Nov2007 and one in Dec 2007 and their serial nos ended with only a digit apart and both began with R0708.

(3) the bill- dated 12-06-2009.

It had 5 items and they all looked like stuff he had owned and i was sort of aware of too having been a market mole for quite sometime.

I had also known faintly that vriship had a history of buying/shopping stuff for friends too maybe.

But the chronology of his purchases and sales seemed weird to me, if they were the same items as in the bill that he had sold.

I too have purchased many similar items several times and hence even my friends cannot exactly pinpoint which exact item i maybe selling at any given point of time.

So this cannot be used as concrete proof and had to give him the benefit of the doubt then.

The bill had a X4 9550+ Gigabyte 780G combo and vriship had also sold one such combo once.

If it is the same combo, the sale thread for it was just a few months after the bill/purchase date and the sale thread mentioned about 2 yrs warranty left.

Something that new couldn't have been put that way if not older.

There is a Gecube 4870 and i faintly remebered that he had bought it used from TE maybe a search indicated so.

But then again, not concrete proof as per me as i too have bought multiple units of same items- some new, some used.

Gigabyte X58 Extreme- This was weird too.

If this was for him, he had that X4 rig till he sold it in Q4 2009 and then got an i5+asus P55 that he sold in some months and went i7+x58 sometime this year.

13-04-2010 evening/night- A PM in discussion with gurus/mods-

"He had denied the psu being gannu's and a 2007 one today morning as reported in the first PM.

he called several times in the morning but i had gone to sleep by then.

I tried calling many times later in the noon but his phone was off.

I called him at around 7:30pm and kept hinting several times that it maybe a 2007 or it maybe gannu's, describing the serial number, ziptied cables etc

He said the serial number maybe so as the dealer may have had very old stock that never sold.

In the morning or maybe in the evening phone convo, i even asked him if it was possible that since he had 2 hx 620s, the new one went to his friend by mistake and the older Gannu one was left behind and came to me now.

But he kept saying bought in 2009, gannu's was bought, tested and given away to friend for whom it was bought.

He said he had seen gannu's PCIe cable and ziptied his the same way when he got this one later.

Also said no issue, warranty from sale as bought in 2009 and if any issue later, he will confront the dealer and scold him and get some compensation and pass it on to me, etc etc

I kept prodding many times but no use.

But he did sound a lil down this time

Then, i was on sms chat with a friend who was looking for the bill for the same.

since i was almost sure it was Gannu's and bought from Prime, i could have called them up and asked them to send me a duplicate bill as they keep a log of all sales.

But i really didn't want to go that far and involve a 3rd party- but would have to if need be.

Then vriship called again approx an hr after i had called.

Told me he wanted to tell me something.

I told him i was waiting for it.

He told me he was feeling very guilty and it was the first and only mistake he had done and how he couldn't have his dinner, etc etc

The reasons he gave for that fake bill, which he says he got done from some local dealer he and his parents buy stuff from regularly, still don't seem so genuine or convincing to me.

But he admitted and apologised and asked me to forgive him and not be angry and will accept any punishmment , etc.

I told him i wasn't angry but very hurt over how someone who seemed so nice and friendly could go to the extent of faking a bill to cover lies over a silly matter.

He also asked me to see if anyone else wants that psu or something.

I told him that it's better he refunds my money and looks for a buyer locally or starts a thread on TE with the correct details."

I was indeed very sad and gloomy and hurt over this entire period.

Even posting this here has made me sad all over again and i consulted many seniors if i should post or not as i don't want anyone to take this negatively.

Even my mother had asked me why i looked down but i passed it off as fatigue and maybe slight illness.

And i still fail to understand why such things happen.

 

[m-jeri]

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I was in talks for this... but didnt materialize..

and forgot, u seem like a detective. real one. read it again, it was like a detective story.

 

[Arun1]

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Meh. Shit happens.People **** up.

In the end,the other seller and a lot of others would think twice before attempting something along the lines of this.

Lesson learned by everybody,double check with dealers if said product you bought is supposed to be in warranty.

Glad you got your money back.Another reason why one should prefer bank transfer/deposit instead of cash as it leaves a trail.

Go for a bike ride, that should cheer you up

 

[Amien]

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I feel for you. I'm a pretty judgemental person and I do not know you outside of the forums, but if you are the same person in real life, I can see how this could be a pretty harrowing incident.

This sort of thing is exactly the reason why I do not get directly involved in any trades/deals for friends. I am (somewhat XD)careful with my own things/money but I tend to be downright obsessive about other's belongings, leading to the sort of pressure that I'd rather not risk having to deal with.

While most of us would like to believe that they are above behaviour like this, there's no telling who will get tempted and lose track of things. When it comes to someone else's belongings that have been trusted to me, I trust no one. No trust no deal. You could deal with me and have me go batshit crazy and try to con you, and I must assume the same for you, no matter how unlikely it may be, especially when a real-life friend's trust is involved.

While I know you won't take it, here's my advice:- Do not get involved in deals for close friends directly. Cut your service/help a bit short. You got lucky, your deductive powers did not fail you and your reputation precedes you due to which you have complete trust of your friends. Don't push it. I'm saying this because I would hate to have to say "I told you so".

*ahem*
As always though, you have inadvertently made a significant contribution that will benefit everyone here. So cheer up.

Oh and, +1 for the bike ride. ^^

 

[kippu]

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nice story ...sad it had to happen to one of the genuine guys in TE , chin up bikey and thanks for the nice long read

 

[hellgate]

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I just cant figure out why ppl resort to these sort of things for selling stuffs. The market section is meant to sell stuffs that we no longer have any use for or that we r looking to dump off for further upgarding, then why lie about a products origin.
If u dont have a bill let the buyer know that u dont have it. Why hide it, create a false bill & spoil ur rep for a few k?

a similar thing had happened to me and i wasnt as lucky as u Rishi to revert back the deal. At least u got ur money back. Its truly scary to deal in the market section these days.

 

[Gannu]

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Bah bugger. Get over it already and cheer up.

 

[vriship]

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First of all,

1. Regarding the fake bill

Yes I agree to it, that the bill was fake, but not for my selfishness. Gannu didn’t provide me with the bill for the PSU when I bought it, so got that bill made when i got the chance.

2. Regarding selling off the stuff and earning something out of it, that was not at all my motive. Neither did i try to sell off the stuff at high prices.

3. That x58 extreme bill which i provided to bikey, a friend had got a x58 extreme board from a dealer through me, so just bumped the date a few months back and got the bill made for the items, who's bill i didn’t find or had lost/misplaced it in another copy. Regarding the gfx thing, had called up the member twice for the bill, he said he is not able to find it.

4. That bill was not printed in my house, it was printed by that dealer.

5. As, bikey referred that "The reasons he gave for that fake bill, which he says he got done from some local dealer he and his parents buy stuff from regularly, still don't seem so genuine or convincing to me." Regarding this, any mod can check out the authenticity of my relations with that dealer, have got stuff around 2 lacs from him which includes a laptop for dad, my two PC upgrades, printers, etc.

6. As after having an hour long talk with bikey, when i confessed that it was my mistake and apologized for the same, all this was before he even informed me that he was gonna create a post in TE regarding this thing.

7. Regarding "he called several times in the morning but i had gone to sleep by then.

I tried calling many times later in the noon but his phone was off", i had called him to accept my mistake. And i did call him for almost 10 to 12 times, had with great difficulty gathered the guts to tell him the truth, but as he didnt pick up the call, i couldn't do so. then i went to my college, and as my airtel does not have network in my college LABS, he found my no. to be switched off, then when he called me up in the evening, all of a sudden i got confused and couldn't tell him that time.

8. Immediately around after half an hour, of the above discussion with bikey, again collected all my guts and gave him a call, and told him everything.

9. Till the above thing happened, I was not aware that bikey was gonna post on TE and all. I did the right thing according to what I felt.

10. After all this, bikey suggested me to put the PSU up for sale on TE with the actual purchase date and details and no need to mention whom you brought it from.

11. As the PSU is with Bikey still, haven’t created a sale thread yet, just contacted a member who had posted a WTB thread in market, with the actual purchase date of the item and referred the item to be my friend’s PSU as I didn’t want any more complications to arise on the above issue, and as already I had corrected my mistake and refunded the money back to Bikey asap.

12. If I was greedy for money, then wouldn’t have even let the PSU go to him, without taking the Payment. And I admitted everything to bikey pleading guilty and not with fear of being caught.

Lastly, I was not expecting this thread to come up, as already I had corrected my mistake. But any ways, I would like to apologize to all those who feel offended due to this act of mine. I am not a Fake or some thug.

 

[Spacescreamer]

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^^

Things were not done in the correct manner and that will damage your rep, but this thread will serve as a reminder to other ppl abt the trading ways and how one can be safe in future.

Good that you posted and clarified from your side.. but trust will have to be built again.

 

[RadioHeAd]

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it takes a lot of courage to face everyone and reveal the truth and atleast you managed to come up and own upto things which u have done. Apart from the fact that it happens to be a lesson to everybody, one should also realise that running away is not a solution. Its not that one cant fall into such situations, but if u do happen to atleast make it right before things get more complicated.

 

[hayabusa_ryu]

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Bikey is one of the very trusted member and nourishing root of TE. And I haven't expect him to be get cheated.
@ Virship, If u get good reputation, try to utilize in a good way. U have 28+ itrust rating, even after this, how can ya do this? I was also interested in that PSU and thanks to bikey, i got saved. It's very tough thing in this world to gain someone's trust and u should always remember this if u are doing bad to someone then what will happen if same thing happen with ya. I amn't writing this because i got something to post but I feel that the members like u should do something good for this community. Hope u learnt something from ur mistake. Good luck.

Virship is feeling guilty about it, atleast later or sooner he has accepted his fault(IDK if he really sad or accepted it because he felt that Bikey has found his trick). So I feel this matter has ended in a better way but what to Bikey's sufferings.

 

[Argus]

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Vriship you did a good thing in telling bikey the truth. I appreciate it.

We have seen far worse cases in market section here. To me at least this one does not seem that bad. A fellow member made a mistake and corrected it later. Good thing mate

Too bad bikey had to go through all this, it would make anyone sad.

 

[vriship]

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Are... Members pls understand. i was not at all trying to trick him or something. its just that i didnt have the bill. if i wanted to trick someone, i was not at all with the intention of getting more money yaar.. i was feeling guilty since day 1, but couldn't gather the guts to tell it to him.. its not that the PSU was faulty or something, i reproduced a bill with a newer date, with that the buyer would have availed more warranty.. no good for me.. I HAD NO INTENTION OF GAINING MORE MONEY OUT OF IT.

after he posted this, i called him up and had a talk with him, if this be the way in which i should repent my mistake then be it. i have no bad feelings for bikey at all..

all i have is good feelings about him.. i was sad with myself..

All these days i had many chats with him, i really praise his knowledge and all the work he does for his friends without his own benefit, it is very hard to find a person like this in today's era.

i think we should have BIKEY MEET, i am very happy to have come across such a person in my life..

 

[The Sorcerer]

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Now forget it. Lesson learnt- the hard way. I just hope this thread is not locked, rather stickied so that people will think twice before doing anything like this- for any reason.

 

[kippu]

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big man vrship ...you did good too , takes a big man to hold his hand up and say he did a mistake, good for you dude

 

[blr_p]

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i reproduced a bill with a newer date, with that the buyer would have availed more warranty.. no good for me..

Yes but that thing alone caused quite a bit of anxiety.

He suspected something was up ONLY because he has dealt with these products before. I don't blame him for it, when you think something is up you usually think worse things then what ultimately happened here.

So the mismatch was bill & serial# and then running around to have enough proof before checking up. tbh, the moment he saw the serial# was off he should have just asked there & then.

 

[Gannu]

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A bill was forged when it was actually not required minus the remaining warranty part. But nevertheless I'm happy vrishi showed up and confessed.

I must add, he did PM me asking my cellphone number but I refused to give him since I was extremely busy with my schedule. Minutes later I get another PM saying he opened up and told the truth to Bikey. I was glad he did that. Bikey was very upset when he spoke to me over the phone - I have never seen him speaking over the phone that way.

This thread, Vrishi is not a rant thread against you. This had to be in place so as to warn others of any such forgery which may happen knowingly or unknowingly. You reputation will not take a hit, trust me. People who have dealt with you will deal with you in the future. I'm glad that you did build up the guts to open up in the forums.

 

[chiron]

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Vriship you did a good thing in telling bikey the truth. I appreciate it.

We have seen far worse cases in market section here. To me at least this one does not seem that bad. A fellow member made a mistake and corrected it later. Good thing mate

Too bad bikey had to go through all this, it would make anyone sad.

This. :hap2:

 

[Lord Nemesis]

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i reproduced a bill with a newer date, with that the buyer would have availed more warranty.. no good for me.. I HAD NO INTENTION OF GAINING MORE MONEY OUT OF IT.

Hmm... I would never understand the moral sense of some people. :hap5:

Don't you consider the above as cheating? Ok, maybe the buyer is not at a disadvantage if he manages to make use of the fake receipt you got your dealer to manufacture, but what about the distributor of the product. Are you not cheating the distributor by creating a bill which increases the warranty period of the product. You do know warranty claims in most cases translate to expenditure to the distributor.

Its great to that you have confessed to Bikey, but you should also snap out of the disillusion that you did not try to wrong anyone by getting that bill manufactured by dealer. In future be honest and be transparent with your sales.

 

[BIKeINSTEIN]

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I am not sad because i got cheated- in fact i didn't get cheated.

vriship confessed and hopefully realises his mistake- some of his clarifications posted here indicate otherwise imho.

But i really don't want to do a point-by-point clinical analysis of that now as it will seem i may harbour some ill-will against him.

Maybe some other ignorant/gullible person got saved.

I am sad because a seemingly nice person who was very nice to me all throughout the deal and comes from a good faimily and has a bright future ahead did something very stupid, maybe criminal stuff.

I am sad coz i had to do this ugly work of posting this even after the seller had confessed and apologised and refunded the money.

Please note that a product sold earlier by one dealer long back with bill wont have renewed warranty with a newer fake bill.

Distros are not idiots- they have records of serials and consignments just as dealers do.

An old serial number psu with very new purchase date will create doubt just as it did in my mind and they will check record for which dealer the consignment had gone to.

Whoever presents the new bill gets on the wrong side of the law for forgery.

It's a grave mistake imho- a criminal offence maybe- and that would have got the buyer, especially an ignorant one, in a major fix. (esp when it's discovered much later when rma is needed and seller cannot be traced)

Just lies, or saying no bill etc could have been handled but a fake bill, dealer-made or homemade, cannot be handled for the same reason.



I didn't start this thread to show him in negative light but to highlight the issue that anyone can be a victim someday.

same reason i said earlier that i didn't want this to go to the usual -ve rating way and end with a dispute and non conclusion.

I have been a TE rat/mole, and a market one past some years esp, for very long time now.

Being regular and communicative/interactive, we come to know stuff that people buy, what configs they run, what they upgrade to and whom they sold what to and maybe even for how much., ...

Word spreads around quite fast.

Here is a copy of the bill for anyone's curiosity-

http://www.imgx.org/view/full/60543_ocbg7

The lack of 8(/6+2) pin pcie cables on a new psu, huge price on the bill, the serial number conflicting with the purchase date when older psus had newer serial numbers, the seller's show-off and sale history on TE and and the same items on that bill not matching sale/show-off description, etc etc

Even a kid will have reasons to doubt the seller.

Some replies here may indicate some might have not read my post well or i might not have been able to explain it properly.

The seller kept lying repeatedly over a period of 2 weeks or more, inspite of being asked the same doubts over and over again- which were not doubts but only hints at making him understand that i know what is happening.

I was trying to be very polite all the time and it's not my habit to accuse directly or harshly.

The last few attempts/queries were outright obvious and anyone should have guessed that they should stop acting now.

Only after repeated denials even after my last attempt on 13th morning, which have been mentioned earlier, did i finally PM the mods.

Once reported, there was no option but to post this thread.

Still i kept putting it off several times- asking many mods and senior members whom i consult often, on what i should do.

tbh, the moment he saw the serial# was off he should have just asked there & then.

blr_p- what are you saying? :S i do not understand.

Did you understand my first post? :S

i may have failed to explain it properly.

the serial no on psu and bill matched- coz it was made-to-order- he was not that stupid

In the very first few telephonic convos, when he said he had only 6-pin cables and i knew he had bought gannu's psu long back, i openly asked if it was gannu's just out of curiosity.

Gannu was one of th early HX620 buyers who had not got 6+2/8 pin PCie cables

But i hesitated and i felt bad for doubting and asking that then as Gannu's psu was 2007 and sale thread said June 2009- but after 2-3 days of nagging doubt- i still asked openly.

And he denied openly too and gave proper reason that it was a friend and he bought this in June 2009

This was asked multiple times over a period of 2 weeks, if psu was 2009 and i was assured so everytime.

the psu came to me after a long time, as it would take in shipping, as i didn't want him to come all the way and neither could i pickup in person and waited for someone from there to come here.

I had doubts but still acted on basis of trust as things were clarifies suitably

During one of the last convos before i reported this, i even asked if new psu went to friend and gannu's came to me by mistake.

How more indirectly direct could i have been, urging him to open up?

I need to check and maybe edit that 1st post if i have falied to convey/explain all this there.