Broadband is dead in our country

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Greed of the operators stopped WiMAX in its tracks.

Slight disagreement there. WiMax being a shitty medium killed WiMax. Why do you think it never caught on pretty much anywhere in the world except India and a little bit of like, Africa?

Greed of the government killed 3G (never learned from Europe).

This I would agree a bit more on.

There was one real scheme of Rajasekhar Reddy in AP that was to be implemented with Dr Raja Reddy & Carnegie-Mellon. Hi-speed network giving ~2MB/s at 100 buck per month. I thought that was just too good to be true. It turned out that way - petty politics killed that dream scheme.

Delivering 25mbit/s on existing networks is already possible and easily enough done, but sadly, the people running most of those networks let the service quality down a bit - and they are *seriously* greedy.

The biggest problem from ISPs that I've experienced is one of mindset - the 70-year old daddy-jis running them could give exactly zero shits about delivering anything above the bare minimum. Otherwise, in any case once you have the wires down - if you can get the wires down - you can deliver pretty much any speed you want.

Let us see what happens when Mukeshbhai kicks off his 4G service - pan-India. The rate at which the tablet (decent specced ones) prices are falling nowadays, it may happen that he will throw in a tablet with a connection (of course with address proof's this time around;)).

If it turns out to be anything like what I'm seeing on this trip to the US... well... don't get your hopes up. I tested a Verizon 4G connection last week and it gave me about 3 mbit/s. Which is a far cry from the speeds it promises. Although this may be the fault of Verizon - I've heard AT&T 4G is a bit better in Chicago so I'll give that a whirl and see if it is indeed any better.

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While some might Blame the ISP for loot/Greed, I would Agree with you up to a Extent. Remaining Blame it on the Government,TRAI,DOT and the advisory bodies who favor Biggies(Recent case).

I blame 90% Folks at Telecom ministry, Trust me they are only Guys with attitude "Jo Hona Hai Ho Jaye Ga".

Forget the telecom ministry - they can be bought off by anyone so inclined to do so. Blame the ISPs for the way they think about their services and that in a lot of cases they are pushovers to whoever owns the last mile - chances are, they may not be "looting" you as much as you think.

Hyderabad,Bangalore,Kolkata and Few Lucky Reliance members are Getting Good Broadband Speeds. RIL should also make Big Impact by End of this year!

Can't say I'm too impressed by LTE yet... it's an improvement over 3G yes but 5 or 10x faster... no. ;)
 
There was one real scheme of Rajasekhar Reddy in AP that was to be implemented with Dr Raja Reddy & Carnegie-Mellon. Hi-speed network giving ~2MB/s at 100 buck per month. I thought that was just too good to be true. It turned out that way - petty politics killed that dream scheme.
I'm Surprised when i read this. He even had plans to Provide Internet at low cost? :lol: May be to Idupulapaya Not AndhraPradesh.:sleep:


Forget the telecom ministry - they can be bought off by anyone so inclined to do so. Blame the ISPs for the way they think about their services and that in a lot of cases they are pushovers to whoever owns the last mile - chances are, they may not be "looting" you as much as you think.
I will Agree with you on this;) But Small ISP also has the Right to Get Domestic bandwidth Cheaper, NIXI is Responsible in this Case?
 
and Now also the cost is increasing for mobile internet ..All players have increased cost almost by 25% for old crappy 2G data package and 3G lying almost dead from 3 years ...regarding 4G LTE , reliance is late by almost 1 year and except failtel no one has launched 4G services and wired broadband is idle as of now ..
 
People in this country need to leverage the WiFi spectrum.
acceptablly fast provided someone can deploy hotspots at the right place.

And you do not need any voice network and a lot less cables.
 
Current ISPs still have 256Kbps plan. First thing which should be done is get rid of 256Kbps and 512Kbps plans. 1Mbps should be the new minimum.
1Mbps unlimited around 400-500 bucks pm. A 2Mbps unlimited for around 700 pm. After FUP, the speed should not drop below 1Mbps as that the new minimum.

These are the changes which have to be mandated.
 
^ We thought Bandwidth Prices Came down but Again that TATA went to court and Bought Stay. Hehe who would keep quiet if they loose 90% of their earlier Revenue.

1Mbps unlimited around 400-500 bucks pm. A 2Mbps unlimited for around 700 pm. After FUP, the speed should not drop below 1Mbps as that the new minimum.
I agree. The minimum Speed should be 1mbps unlimited not 256kbps or 512kbps after FUP.
 
Don't you guys think the same?

No
-better speeds
-customer services
-competitive pricing

I am really fed up with my country to be honest. There is almost NIL advancement in this sector.

Could you please share details from around the world, sort of bench mark what you would like to see ?
 
Have shame.
Which country downloads most from torrents?
Software piracy rate statistics - countries compared - Nation Master
shittier countries than india with even more crappier internet *download* more than India
Imagine what would happen if we get 10mbps no-FUP unlimited internet
People in india people use broadband only for one reason
DOWNLOAD,DOWNLOAD, FROM TORRENTZZZZ
for browsing 3g hai na :rolleyes:
The thing is,us Indians don't deserve boradband :rolleyes:
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be happy with what you have, and remember that
Everything happens for a reason
 
Have shame.
Which country downloads most from torrents?
Software piracy rate statistics - countries compared - Nation Master
shittier countries than india with even more crappier internet *download* more than India
Imagine what would happen if we get 10mbps no-FUP unlimited internet
People in india people use broadband only for one reason
DOWNLOAD,DOWNLOAD, FROM TORRENTZZZZ
for browsing 3g hai na :rolleyes:
The thing is,us Indians don't deserve boradband :rolleyes:
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be happy with what you have, and remember that
Everything happens for a reason


Extremely weak attempt at trolling /10

Pls Go.

Goddamn idiot.
 
I kind of agree with ShawnZer. Most people complaining about broadband download illegally using torrent. I think we might get better Broadband plans if these freeloaders stop downloading stuff which is not meant to be free. At this point if we get better plans then obviously these people will download more. That's why it is better, in a way, that we get shitty plans.
@mgcarley: Noticed any difference in latency? Impressive, huh?
 
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I will Agree with you on this;) But Small ISP also has the Right to Get Domestic bandwidth Cheaper, NIXI is Responsible in this Case?

No, NIXI is only responsible for peering. ISPs still have to pull their own fibre in to a NIXI datacentre or lease it from someone else. The problem is that everyone who has domestic fibre thinks it's a golden cow that needs a helluvalot of milking, and they try to charge WAY more than it's worth - even Railtel is guilty of this (yes, I have an anecdote but I won't bore you with it right now). Of course, they aren't the only ones that are guilty of this - even if I wanted to lease like 1km of point to point fibre in Mumbai it's like this - they charge 5 lakhs where it only needs to be 50k, and the value of the cable itself, including the word required at either end is only 25k.

and Now also the cost is increasing for mobile internet ..All players have increased cost almost by 25% for old crappy 2G data package and 3G lying almost dead from 3 years ...regarding 4G LTE , reliance is late by almost 1 year and except failtel no one has launched 4G services and wired broadband is idle as of now ..

Well...
1. Government Policy has been and continues to push all forms of wireless as a "fix all solution" for Indian broadband, and whoever is writing this policy doesn't know anything about wireless technology.
2. It's REALLY HARD to attract investors if you want to build cables. If my primary focus was wireless, I'd have 10x as much money to spend, but instead I had to fight tooth and nail for what we have so far, and even that's not nearly as much as I'd like. Unfortunately, if I'd taken that path, I'd be like Tikona. Fortunately, non-Indian investors understand that fibre isn't just for backhaul.
3. 3G prices are coming down dramatically, what are you talking about?
4. 4G... yeah, sorta with you on that.

People in this country need to leverage the WiFi spectrum.
acceptablly fast provided someone can deploy hotspots at the right place.
And you do not need any voice network and a lot less cables.

Indian law as it is makes this proposition very difficult. That is all.

Current ISPs still have 256Kbps plan. First thing which should be done is get rid of 256Kbps and 512Kbps plans. 1Mbps should be the new minimum.
1Mbps unlimited around 400-500 bucks pm. A 2Mbps unlimited for around 700 pm. After FUP, the speed should not drop below 1Mbps as that the new minimum.

These are the changes which have to be mandated.

1mbit/s isn't even the minimum in most first world countries. Some first world countries still drop you to 64k or 128k - and not from 2mbit/s or 4mbit/s but from 10, 20 or even 100mbit/s... so, while I don't agree with the dropping of speeds at all, you should consider yourself lucky that you even get 256k.

IF ANYTHING, FUPs simply need to be more fair and reasonable, and plans should be easier to figure out. 20-60GB is fine for an average user, but don't top out at 150 or 175GB and not give me the choice to opt for a higher plan. Even an ISP in Oman has plans with an FUP of 1000GB.

As for your pricing... You can think what you like, doesn't mean it's going to happen. I think you guys don't take in to account the fixed costs involved when you dream these up. There *has* to be a lower limit to cover all the equipment, support costs and other stuff like licensing, but instead it *appears* to have no appreciable value - the expectation is that because wholesale bandwidth costs came down, the price of broadband should go down accordingly, but, I think that you're looking at it from the wrong perspective... let me explain below:

^ We thought Bandwidth Prices Came down but Again that TATA went to court and Bought Stay. Hehe who would keep quiet if they loose 90% of their earlier Revenue.

I agree. The minimum Speed should be 1mbps unlimited not 256kbps or 512kbps after FUP.

Instead of saying that 1mbit/s should be cheaper (because I assume you've read that the wholesale price per megabit has come down), why not demand more megabits for your money? That is to say, now that the wholesale price per megabit has dropped by say 75% in 3 years or whatever, give me 4mbit/s for 1k instead of 1mbit/s for 1k.

It's this race to the bottom, this thinking that 256k/512k/1mbit services should now be available for 200, 300, 500 bucks as opposed to like 400, 600, 1000 that's holding you back. If you did the same thing with, say, CPUs, everyone would still be buying Pentium II processors because they only cost $10 instead of $200... instead, it should be price such that the price stays the same, but the specification goes up.

Demand more for your money.

I kind of agree with ShawnZer. Most people complaining about broadband download illegally using torrent. I think we might get better Broadband plans if these freeloaders stop downloading stuff which is not meant to be free. At this point if we get better plans then obviously these people will download more. That's why it is better, in a way, that we get shitty plans.

1. That's not my experience. When you give people more speed, their usage doesn't go up by the same percentage as the speed does. I mean, it might when you go from 256k to 512k or whatever in small jumps, but once you get over the 10mbit/s hump, it begins to matter a whole lot less, and once you hit about 30-40mbit/s, it actually becomes quite difficult to keep up - you can download content WAY faster than you can watch it.

As an experiment, I put a small number of users on unlimited 100mbit/s accounts about 6 months ago (without telling them) and their usage only went up by single-digit percentages. Maybe they downloaded a couple of extra torrents, but it certainly wasn't 10x the usage (I'd given them 10x the speed that they were supposed to have).

But that could easily be fixed with decent FUPs - arbitrarily if we said, say, 10GB per mbit/s, this could be acceptable, so if you're on a 10mbit/s plan you get a 100GB FUP but if you're on a 100mbit/s plan you get a 1000GB FUP. And let's be honest, you are going to have a hard time consuming all 1000GB every single month - even between 3 or 4 people it's not so easy (and yes, I know, you *could* download 25GB Blu-Ray ISOs but, that would be stupid and wasteful since most people wouldn't be watching stuff on a shiny 50" LCD or LED)... and then where are you going to store all those 25GB images...? Seems like getting a 2-4GB x264 version would be a better choice then you're looking at 1 movie a day and still barely topping 250GB a month... make sense?

2. There is also a legality problem in India. DECENT legal streaming/download services just aren't available. And don't even mention BigFlix, I did use the modifier "decent", after all, and the non-Indian content selection is abysmal... And Hollywood literally isn't interested in licensing stuff to certain countries - I've been working with someone in America for just on a whole year now trying to get some good content to be distributed legally, but, in India we don't have Spotify, Hulu, Pandora, Netflix, none of the channels have anything like BBC iPlayer or TVNZ on Demand...

mgcarley: Noticed any difference in latency? Impressive, huh?

Latency for what? If you're talking about 4G/LTE, then no. Even within the same city it was definitively **un**impressive, and that wasn't even in India. In India what I've seen is downright ghastly.
 
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A lot of whining (mostly without foundation) and not one comparative example from around the world of what they expect.

Whine away, come up with fantasy solutions, rather than real ones. PATHETIC
 
India is really not improving it's tech infra. Average internet speed reflects generally tech infrastructure spends of particular nation. A recent news puts me in a very reflective mood- In Shanghai- the present average Broadband speed seems to be 16 Mbps, and it is slated to double within a year to 32 Mbps ! no wonder China is zooming past India in all respects. All our ppl who gover seem to concerned with is making the fastest buck from the consumers, by providing bare least for most !
 
India is really not improving it's tech infra. Average internet speed reflects generally tech infrastructure spends of particular nation. A recent news puts me in a very reflective mood- In Shanghai- the present average Broadband speed seems to be 16 Mbps, and it is slated to double within a year to 32 Mbps ! no wonder China is zooming past India in all respects. All our ppl who gover seem to concerned with is making the fastest buck from the consumers, by providing bare least for most !

Any link to this claim, along with pricing? Oh yes, can China access most of the net as we can ? My knowledge is a little fuzzy on that, can you /anyone throw light on that?
 
I kind of agree with ShawnZer. Most people complaining about broadband download illegally using torrent. I think we might get better Broadband plans if these freeloaders stop downloading stuff which is not meant to be free. At this point if we get better plans then obviously these people will download more. That's why it is better, in a way, that we get shitty plans.
mgcarley: Noticed any difference in latency? Impressive, huh?

I disagree earlier i was on 2 Mbps plan UL i used to download 200GB easy for the first couple of months - then i upgraded to 4 Mbps UL and i frankly couldnt download that much - the DL thing only lasts for 2 -3 months then the frenzy dies down - last month i did 86GB on my 4Mbps/4Mbps plan .
 
I disagree earlier i was on 2 Mbps plan UL i used to download 200GB easy for the first couple of months - then i upgraded to 4 Mbps UL and i frankly couldnt download that much - the DL thing only lasts for 2 -3 months then the frenzy dies down - last month i did 86GB on my 4Mbps/4Mbps plan .

I agree. with a 15mbps plan I have already hoarded up so much that I rarely "download" any new content. For me .. its just 2-3 Episodes of the shows that are currently airing every week and maybe 2-3 movie a month. Most of my high bandwidth usage is Youtube streaming at 720p .. though 4mbps is enough for the streaming part.

The one big benefit is I don't have to leave my laptop on overnight for downloading.
 
On 8mbps Airtel line I have no reason to complain. I have been on more than 2mbps for almost a decade now (after Dr.A.P.J. Abdul Kalam made state run BSNL to provide 2mbps everywhere). I don't think we are doing that bad.

My dad in Abu Dhabi does enjoy a 12mbps line but at a bomb. Also the restrictions are horrendous (I'm not talking about porn, even sites like skype etc are banned)

You should feel lucky to be here. Decent speeds. No active law for copyright infringment. Good service (not a joke, we have way too many people). Atleast I have been happy on airtel, if not for their FUP but they are currently the best (sigh!) :)
 
You should feel lucky to be here.
Decent speeds.
No active law for copyright infringment.
Good service (not a joke, we have way too many people).
Atleast I have been happy on airtel, if not for their FUP but they are currently the best (sigh!)

Now where is the downvote button when you need one..
 
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