Guide Budget AiO

See, when it comes to the X3D chips, there are factors to consider:

  1. It depends on the generation. 9000 series x3d tends to run cooler vs 7000 series x3d. Why? Because of the v-cache placement, which AMD overhauled with 9000. As a result, the v-cache on the 7000 series runs way hotter.
  2. The 9000x3d parts can still be (somewhat) overclocked, not so with the 7000x3d chips (to protect the v-cache, due to its placement). Thus, they are designed to hit the designated thermal limit (depending on what you set in the BIOS. Mine is set to 89c). The cooler you keep it, the more chances you have of sustaining a longer boost clock

Under a Cinebench '24 run, my 7800x3d under a D15 (with two fans) would hit 89c easily in winter, and the sustained boost would drop.

When I switched to the LFIII 360, it now maxes out at 83- 84 °C in the summer heat. Boost clocks do not drop.

In both scenarios, my case is a Lancool 216.

Even in games, with my LFIII, I noticed fewer variations in CPU clocks vs with my D15. This is my documented experience.

Just did a Cinebench run:

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PunkX 75 said:
See, when it comes to the X3D chips, there are factors to consider:

  1. It depends on the generation. 9000 series x3d tends to run cooler vs 7000 series x3d. Why? Because of the v-cache placement, which AMD overhauled with 9000. As a result, the v-cache on the 7000 series runs way hotter.
  2. The 9000x3d parts can still be (somewhat) overclocked, not so with the 7000x3d chips (to protect the v-cache, due to its placement). Thus, they are designed to hit the designated thermal limit (depending on what you set in the BIOS. Mine is set to 89c). The cooler you keep it, the more chances you have of sustaining a longer boost clock

Under a Cinebench '24 run, my 7800x3d under a D15 (with two fans) would hit 89c easily in winter, and the sustained boost would drop.

When I switched to the LFIII 360, it now maxes out at 83- 84 °C in the summer heat. Boost clocks do not drop.

In both scenarios, my case is a Lancool 216.

Even in games, with my LFIII, I noticed fewer variations in CPU clocks vs with my D15. This is my documented experience.

Just did a Cinebench run:

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This is more inline with what I expect from these cpu's and coolers aswell but AK400 running a 9800X3D UV or not without TT is news to me.
 
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PunkX 75 said:
See, when it comes to the X3D chips, there are factors to consider:

  1. It depends on the generation. 9000 series x3d tends to run cooler vs 7000 series x3d. Why? Because of the v-cache placement, which AMD overhauled with 9000. As a result, the v-cache on the 7000 series runs way hotter.
  2. The 9000x3d parts can still be (somewhat) overclocked, not so with the 7000x3d chips (to protect the v-cache, due to its placement). Thus, they are designed to hit the designated thermal limit (depending on what you set in the BIOS. Mine is set to 89c). The cooler you keep it, the more chances you have of sustaining a longer boost clock

Under a Cinebench '24 run, my 7800x3d under a D15 (with two fans) would hit 89c easily in winter, and the sustained boost would drop.

When I switched to the LFIII 360, it now maxes out at 83- 84 °C in the summer heat. Boost clocks do not drop.

In both scenarios, my case is a Lancool 216.

Even in games, with my LFIII, I noticed fewer variations in CPU clocks vs with my D15. This is my documented experience.

Just did a Cinebench run:
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Whats the difference in performance ?
For me setting a temp limit of 79C with AG620 degrades performance by less than a percent in cinebench multicore.

Overall uv/oc + 79C templimit was about a percent up from base performance which i am happy with.
 
Tracer_Bullet said:
Whats the difference in performance ?
For me setting a temp limit of 79C with AG620 degrades performance by less than a percent in cinebench multicore.

Overall uv/oc + 79C templimit was about a percent up from base performance which i am happy with.
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I don't have the results saved, but a few hundred points, from what I remember.
 
altair21 said:
how much did you pay for your 5080?
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1.05L for 5080FE

SBI Cashback CC for the win

Dexter_3214 said:
I am not saying you need Aio , AIo is recommend for x3d cpu and obv shintel they have 125w base Tdp , yes 620s/ak-ag620 or any dual tower is good but if one can afford you should get Aio over air cooler for x3d chips, you don't want to run your cpu at 85c in full load over extended period of time even though its fine, one would always prefer to run cpu at lower temp.

if you have to choose between 10k noctua and 10k LF3, Get LF3 its way better.
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AG620 won't run a 9800X3D at 85C, it will be lower even at load, maybe late 70s. That 85C is for my puny AK400 & 85C is not an unsafe temp as AMD runs its normal X CPUs at 95C by default.
enc0dex264 said:
I find this really hard to believe man.. I have a ProArt PA602 with 200mm x 38mm thick fans x 2 blowing fresh air into the case with a LC420 AIO in the top with 3 x Noctua 140mm fans.. my case also has a button which when flipped makes the fans go at 100%.. which i just flipped on.

My 9800X3D settings are as such +200 offset for max boost and PBO -20.. thermal paste is also noctua.

I just ran the cinebench 2024 multi core benchmark and here are the results:

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It still hits 80 C which i believe to be the stock thermal throttle limit.. if you consider these results with the best possible combination of favourable parts.. even then im losing 100mhz of the top.. in games my processor runs at 5425 almost consistently. I'm pretty sure if i remove the -20 UV i will lose even more mhz.

If your AK400 is able to keep it below 80 C without throttling you probably have the best unicorn AK400 in this world.

Temps dont cross 80 C because thats the default thermal limit sir.. you are losing boost performance.
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Ran a test, current ambient temp is like 24C in Bengaluru. Last I tested was in summer with ambient over 30C. CPU cooler is set to run at max RPM post 70C. Other fans also hit max RPM around 75C.

Fan setup in Lancool II Mesh: 3x intake at front (stock fans), 1x intake at bottom below GPU & 1x exhaust at back (both Arctic P12). -20 offset for undervolting.

I am not sure if Gigabyte removes the temp limit, but 9800X3D was running above 90C at stock when I tested initially. Now under 75C is surprising to me, but all core freq is maintained at 5.2GHz.

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OMEGA44-XT said:
I am not sure if Gigabyte removes the temp limit, but 9800X3D was running above 90C at stock when I tested initially. Now under 75C is surprising to me, but all core freq is maintained at 5.2GHz.
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Same here ran cinebench24 just now, set temp limit to manual in asrock bios at 90C. Max temp reached was 84C, then set CPU boost clock override to +200 and the temps reached 90 now. All this is on a -30 offset, this shows the AK400 is more than able to handle the cpu if not using CPU boost clock override. Ambient temp here is around 32C.
 
I guess this just means the AMD IHS is really poorly designed and it doesnt really matter what coolers you pick for them.. AG620 makes sense even for the ultra premium builds.
 
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