PC Peripherals Choosing SMPS: calling all Gurus

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Powersafe 400W should be included in the entry level rig instead of CM 460 (POS). it has more VFM and in an entry level rig every rupee counts.
 
ultimabasher said:
powersafe's have a bad efficiency
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for entry level psu 70% efficiency is more than enough...VIP 500w gold and VIP 500w silver OEM FSP models serve excellent in the entry level area.:)

i would still stay with my earlier suggestion of the entry level n mid level psu.:P
 
Mr President :P was trying to compare the CM460 and the Powersafe 400. In regards to the CM460, Powersafe is have a bad efficiency. Although, in the lower levels of the market, compared to the shitty zebby and intex, powersafe passes with flying colors. Price difference is somewhat more but the quality of the psu is top notch.
 
I think a lil clarification is needed on the comments flowing about teh VIP PSU's here.

How can anyone here discuss the efficiency of a product which is not provided by a manufacturer/review?? Nowhere has there been a mention of the effeciency of the VIP 400/500watt offerings. so please refrain from using that as a point of reference.

OEM - The VIP 500watt Silver and teh VIP PSU 500watt with a Blue coloured body are the ONLY FSP OEM models rebranded as VIP's(As has been confirmed by members of this and other forums). At the bottom of the scale, the VIP 500watt silver for around 1500/- makes a LOT more sense than a CM PSU for 2.4k. the CM460 at launch was 1.9k which made it great value, but imho at 2.4k, it doesn't make a much sense.

DO NOT CONFUSE THE VIP GOLD MODELS WITH VIP SILVER MODELS. The VIP Gold PSUs are actually WORSE than the SILVER models. The OEM for these is L&C which is nowhere in the same class as FSP.

Another model from FSP which happens to be sold by Prime and according to reviews is just completely brilliant is the Epsilon 600watt. Anandtech considers this to be comparable to the top of the line models available in the 100euro price range with a slight caveat being given to its connectors and noise. its available from Prime for 6.3k odd.

Another worthy competitor would be the Antec EA 650 watt SLI certified PSU for 5.1k. This i think is incredible value at the price point. JonnyGuru has rated this with a 9 on 10 and stamped it with a 'buy' recommendation. No fancy sleeving of cables. No fancy color/designs on the casing. No fancy packaging. Just a Solid, super silent(ADDA Fan) and damn good power supply that would run a mid to high end rig(gtx 280+c2q class) without as much as breaking a sweat.

@morgoth.. nice initiative :)

@basher.. accept that you ran your mouth off. and got 0wned. simple as that :cool1:
 
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@basher.. accept that you ran your mouth off. and got 0wned.

simple as that :cool1:
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Oh come on man. Its not my fault that you are not able to see things from my perspective which is right too.

Its like 2 sides of a coin.

You are always looking at heads while I am looking at tails first.

Beat it man. I was not wrong and I wont accept it.
 
TheTechShopGuy said:
Firstly, am no GURU :ashamed: , so apologies in advance if i missed something obvious. :bleh:

But what about the Tagan BZ500 PipeRock Series Modular Power Supply ?

And the Tagan TG600 U33 600W Power Supply (Non-Modular) ?

According to Hardware Canucks review, it seems a great quality alternative to a more expensive Modular Unit.

And Tagan build quality is SOLID imo, they are suppliers for ABS Power Supplies.
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Could not find the PSUs at Tagan - Home :ashamed: so can't really comment on them. Though BZ500 looks quite a tempting deal.

ab1 said:
how bout this one seventeam 450w 2.9k

Seventeam 450W
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follows 2.0 ATX specs, so it's not that good value now. It must be weak on +12 rails.

@ Stalker: Yep, the Antec EA is a very good VMF at that price. In fact, the best value for a mid range comp would have been be real Power 550W @ 4.2K. I bought this PSU for this price, and even though it's OEM, it's a very nice deal. But no longer it's available at this price and once you cross 5K, it's difficult to beat Antec EA650.

Corsair HX620, TX650 and VX550 are too insanely priced now. And so is Real Power 550W. I doubt Tagan's quality, so that leaves us with Antec EA650W @ 5.1 as undisputed mid-range king. Of course, if you want modular cables you will have to seek out HX620 but that can only be recommended if modular cables are absolute must for you.
 
WingZero said:
for entry level psu 70% efficiency is more than enough...VIP 500w gold and VIP 500w silver OEM FSP models serve excellent in the entry level area.:)

i would still stay with my earlier suggestion of the entry level n mid level psu.:P
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there is nothing like less efficiency is more than enough.i efficiency is less u r paying money for the power which u are not using.so better get smps with high efficiency rating, of course if it is available for ur requirement
 
ultimabasher said:
Oh come on man. Its not my fault that you are not able to see things from my perspective which is right too.
Its like 2 sides of a coin.
You are always looking at heads while I am looking at tails first.
Beat it man. I was not wrong and I wont accept it.
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You are wrong if you imply a VX450 will not provide more than 360W as it's guaranteed 80% efficient.
Atleast that's what all your posts seem to imply and that is what i was able to grasp with my poor linguistic skills. :ashamed:
It may very well provide 400W odd at full load but will draw 500W odd from the mains.
The CM extreme power 600 on the other will need to draw atleast 571W from the mains to provide 400W across its rails as it's only 70% efficient at the most. :cool2:
Some food for though- if you like to mull over brain tickling stuff i.e.
The whole world, dog, cat, rat , etc knows the CM extreme power 600 is nothing but a tweaked and rebadged seventeam 500W ST-500-BKP with passive PFC.
CM overrates a 500 and calls it 600.
Check the efficiency of the mother/original/donor seventeam psu- not even 70% iirc.
That too at only 25 degrees C and ambient temps in most PC cases in India, without AC, is atleast 40 degrees C.

Corsair conservatively rates its psus and they are 80% efficient at the least and designed to deliver the same at 50 degrees C.
All this is old news- already discussed a zillion times.
CM extreme power 600 vs VX450>
HD 3870 on a VIP 400W (27A @ 12V)
Applicable to other psus too.
Check other posts too in that thread- thread link at top right hand corner of the post.
Making a mistake is one thing and absolutely OK for varying reasons.
Accepting their mistake/s and learning from their mistakes is what wise people do.
Trying to cover up mistakes by saying- "i said roughly same, blah blah, bull bull, ..." and especially "prove me wrong" is nothing but a blatant display of false ego and making a fool of oneself over and over again. :(
Can take a horse to water, cannot make him drink it.
Never tried with donkeys yet i guess. :P
Also check the thread where Mr.Asheet got pwned trying to sell his overpriced, used CM650 over a VX450 with baseless arguments.
http://www.techenclave.com/pc-peripherals/cm-xtreme-power-600w-discussion-thread-121857.html
We don't want to hurt anyone- we are friends and want to quell any ignorance/misinformation. :)
 
Okies I already know that bikey. Thanks for the elaboration :)

This is to prove someone wrong

Question : What does rated wattage mean. Eg If smps is 400w then what does it mean?

Answer : It means that the smps is meant to provide that much watts of output by taking more input from the mains. That is the smps of 400w will provide 400w out by taking 500w in if its 80% efficient

True or False.
 
sTALKEr said:
^^ atleast be original :P

you've started reusing insults :lol:
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Lamers never understand :hap5:

P.S. I know who is asheet and how he was owned big time :rofl:

I am neither asheet nor am I wrong.

I was wrong once I accepted it. When I impulsively commented on NTFS and FAT. But this time I am far from it.
 
^ CX400 is still better , cm600w gives combined 30amps on +12v and 70 % efficiancy . CX400 gives same but with 80 % efficiancy .

Yeah but something odd here.

600w * 70% = 420w

400w * 80% = 320w

You decide.
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Stop playing with words here. Either you are a looser who does not accept mistakes or, even worse you are a ignorant bugger bent on making a jackass out of himself.

All this started when YOU posted about the aforementioned PSU's. Anyone with half a brain can decipher that the second half of YOUR post was with reference to the PSU's in the first half. If you still don't think that you can accept/learn, then god save you.

This is my last post directed at this nonsense.

@Bikey dada.. how about some suggestions wrt to the OP. We could then have a Sticky thread for P.S.U suggestions :)
 
sTALKEr said:
Stop playing with words here. Either you are a looser who does not accept mistakes or, even worse you are a ignorant bugger bent on making a jackass out of himself.

All this started when YOU posted about the aforementioned PSU's. Anyone with half a brain can decipher that the second half of YOUR post was with reference to the PSU's in the first half. If you still don't think that you can accept/learn, then god save you.

This is my last post directed at this nonsense.

@Bikey dada.. how about some suggestions wrt to the OP. We could then have a Sticky thread for P.S.U suggestions :)
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Seriously you tell me naa what you deciphered.

I believe your brain is good enough to read simple english, caluclate the percentage and tell what I am trying to say.

I simply meant that the PSU that gives more watts out is better in most cases. Some cases say otherwise where you primary requirements are better efficiency.

Even if you are not able to understand that, just die :@

cm600w gives combined 30amps on +12v and 70 % efficiancy . CX400 gives same but with 80 % efficiancy
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Now you understand what I yeah'd to??

Still not, DIEEEEE :@
 
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