PC Peripherals Choosing SMPS: calling all Gurus

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BIKeINSTEIN said:
The silver ones were twice as heavy as the gold ones then. :ohyeah:
But with shorter and maybe thinner cables and a couple of connectors less. :P

The new silver ones are single rail again (iirc), featherweight and more like Zebronics generic ones. :(
And if so is the case, the Powersafe 'L&C oem' gold one (& dual rail iirc) will be better than the VIP silver. :ashamed:

So now we take weighing scales along while shopping for PSUs? "Bhai, teen kilo psu kitne ko diya?"
 
Is the CX400 worth the extra .8k over the CM460? I really need a good entry-level psu. My "no-name" psu just conked off, hardly 2 1/2 months after adding a 8600GT 512mb ddr2(was running ok for a year before this). I want a psu which gives reliable power, is efficient and has a quiet fan. My psu used to sound like a motor engine. My budget is 2.5k but *might* be able to stretch it to 3.2k if the corsair is really worth it.

My config :
P4 524(planning on a core2duo around 5k next month)
Asus P5-GC MX1333
XFX 8600GT(512 MB DDR2)
Transcend 1 GB + 512 MB DDR2@667 MHZ
1 Optical Drive
80 GB HDD(have to replace this sometime)
19 inch Viewsonic
PowerCom UPS

Note: All my PC configs were done by some "engineer" till date. I now want to take over my PC. Consider myself a knowledgeable hardware "noob"(little knowledge is dangerous). However, i want to learn and assemble my own pc from scratch. This forum seems to be just perfect.
 
techie_007 said:
I feel they purposefully just jacked up the price to make space for the VX400 :P

yes it is...wen i got the news of the cx400 it clicked already abt the price hike of vx450:P. and its cx400:P

curse these distris. cx300 at 2.5k and vx450 at 3.2k wudb like blind deals.
 
WingZero said:
yes it is...wen i got the news of the cx400 it clicked already abt the price hike of vx450:P. and its cx400:P

curse these distris. cx300 at 2.5k and vx450 at 3.2k wudb like blind deals.

but then margins would be lesser for these guys :@
 
reudanrod said:
Is the CX400 worth the extra .8k over the CM460? I really need a good entry-level psu. My "no-name" psu just conked off, hardly 2 1/2 months after adding a 8600GT 512mb ddr2(was running ok for a year before this). I want a psu which gives reliable power, is efficient and has a quiet fan. My psu used to sound like a motor engine. My budget is 2.5k but *might* be able to stretch it to 3.2k if the corsair is really worth it.

My config :
P4 524(planning on a core2duo around 5k next month)
Asus P5-GC MX1333
XFX 8600GT(512 MB DDR2)
Transcend 1 GB + 512 MB DDR2@667 MHZ
1 Optical Drive
80 GB HDD(have to replace this sometime)
19 inch Viewsonic
PowerCom UPS

Note: All my PC configs were done by some "engineer" till date. I now want to take over my PC. Consider myself a knowledgeable hardware "noob"(little knowledge is dangerous). However, i want to learn and assemble my own pc from scratch. This forum seems to be just perfect.

Corsair one is a bit pricey at 3.2K but it's a better PSU than CM 460. CM 460 extreme power Plus is better VMF. Choice is yours

This is a right idea you have about taking control of your PC. In fact, I did it myself just a month back :ashamed: and I am still learning new stuff :)
 
WingZero said:
think practical dude...70% to 80% efficiency on a system tht consumes 100w-150w and used only couple of hrs a day makes makes a unit every 5day say 5rs/unit. Now considering tht does a 70% and >80% efficiency matter ??
...spending 1-1.5k more just for >80% efficiency who uses the pc ideally for 2-3hrs max a day wont bother of the bills.
now considering tht part exceptions are there. download rigs make sense and accordingly ppl can opt for the psu as well.

p.s. sometimes i feel reputed members here jus wanna pawn others.:no:

are we talking abt people who r using 100w for their system and that too only couple of hours? at least not majority of members in techenclave will be in this category. even if our current usage is 100w , who knows when will we upgrade? does anybody want to spend another 2-3k for high wattage power supplies every time we upgrade? SMPS upgrade is not like we upgrade ram or graphic card.This is like one time investment at least for couple of years.
apart from efficiency that comes with 80+ smps, as others pointed out we get other benefits such as quality associated with such power supplies.
so practically speaking go for 80+ rated power supplies from tier1 manufacturers.
 
kids, before you start discussing efficiency of a smps, learn what efficiency means in a smps.
like what components / process determine efficiency in a smps. what are the benefits of it (besides saving of electricity).
i think a smps having greater efficiency will run a bit cooler since less of power will be wasted as heat.
and in a smps heat is a major factor. the loads (Continuos) should be measured at near 50C levels, anything less than that, at say 25C, is jusy marketing hype. the temperature of the switching transistors and the coils has a great influence on the efficiency.
also the quality of each and every component in the psu has a great influence on the "quality" of the psu i.e. the ability to provide "Clean" power outputs.
Quality and Stability of power output at fairly high loads for extended period of time is a hallmark of a good psu.
merely going by the %efficiency in determining the value of a psu is wrong.
also many here do not really undertand the "Dynamic" nature of a psu. the loads in a smps psu are never constant (Testing with resistors = NA) and if you take a pc psu with multiple outputs, the variation of load is more since only one output is monitered and the values of all the outputs is determined by that monitered output (they are interlinked since basically they are from the same and only one transformer).

hence in a nutshell >% efficiency of a psu not only reduces power bills but also helps in keeping the psu components cooler which helps in stable and clean outputs.
but merely going by the figures provided by the manufacturer's or even some psu review sites (commercial bias) is another mistake many make.
get this in ur heads lads, there are very few smps which will provide clean stable power at their "Rated" output for extended period of time.
it is like "extreme overclocking". the figures and speeds have geek appeal but they are not practical or suitable for daily use due to the methods (increasing voltages etc.) and process (Dice, LN2 etc.) adopted for "extreme" o/c.

There is another trend visible where the aesthetics of the psu shield ( err the cover) is considered. many times i see a reviewer or a techie say " wow this psu looks cool", "sexy" etc ...
but what they dont understand is that a psu is not for sex appeal. as noted earlier each and every component in a psu plays an important role,right from a low cost resistor to the costly switching transformer, hence to increase the sex appeal many manufacturer's / resellers definitely save on the quality of the components to remain competitive.
hence before talking about efficiency and making judgements many here would be well adviced to actually open a psu (disconnect from mains first) and learn to identify the components and their functions.
 
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obama said:
kids, before you start discussing efficiency of a smps, learn what efficiency means in a smps.
like what components / process determine efficiency in a smps. what are the benefits of it (besides saving of electricity).
i think a smps having greater efficiency will run a bit cooler since less of power will be wasted as heat.
and in a smps heat is a major factor. the loads (Continuos) should be measured at near 50C levels, anything less than that, at say 25C, is jusy marketing hype. the temperature of the switching transistors and the coils has a great influence on the efficiency.
also the quality of each and every component in the psu has a great influence on the "quality" of the psu i.e. the ability to provide "Clean" power outputs.
Quality and Stability of power output at fairly high loads for extended period of time is a hallmark of a good psu.
merely going by the %efficiency in determining the value of a psu is wrong.
also many here do not really undertand the "Dynamic" nature of a psu. the loads in a smps psu are never constant (Testing with resistors = NA) and if you take a pc psu with multiple outputs, the variation of load is more since only one output is monitered and the values of all the outputs is determined by that monitered output (they are interlinked since basically they are from the same and only one transformer).

hence in a nutshell >% efficiency of a psu not only reduces power bills but also helps in keeping the psu components cooler which helps in stable and clean outputs.
but merely going by the figures provided by the manufacturer's or even some psu review sites (commercial bias) is another mistake many make.
get this in ur heads lads, there are very few smps which will provide clean stable power at their "Rated" output for extended period of time.
it is like "extreme overclocking". the figures and speeds have geek appeal but they are not practical or suitable for daily use due to the methods (increasing voltages etc.) and process (Dice, LN2 etc.) adopted for "extreme" o/c.

There is another trend visible where the aesthetics of the psu shield ( err the cover) is considered. many times i see a reviewer or a techie say " wow this psu looks cool", "sexy" etc ...
but what they dont understand is that a psu is not for sex appeal. as noted earlier each and every component in a psu plays an important role,right from a low cost resistor to the costly switching transformer, hence to increase the sex appeal many manufacturer's / resellers definitely save on the quality of the components to remain competitive.
hence before talking about efficiency and making judgements many here would be well adviced to actually open a psu (disconnect from mains first) and learn to identify the components and their functions.

WOW! thanks for making us all understand better Grandpa :ohyeah:
 
morgoth said:
Corsair one is a bit pricey at 3.2K but it's a better PSU than CM 460. CM 460 extreme power Plus is better VMF. Choice is yours

Thanks for the reply. I tried searching for expert reviews on he CX400 but could not find any. There are only user reviews on newegg and such. Since both these PSUs will consistently meet my system's requirement, i want to know what i'll be missing with the CM460. How is the noise level of the CM460. Also, will I be able to recover a good amount/all of the extra .8k over a period of 3 yrs by saving a few bucks a month on electricity bills with the CX400? The PC is usually on for anywhere between 5 to 12 hrs a day.
 
Just found this on johnnyguru forum regarding the CX400 while googling:
It's a Seasonic-built 400W unit, fairly similar to our existing products but with a few small changes. The primary caps aren't 105C, they're 85C, but they're still spec'd to reliable brands (Nippon Chemicon, Rubycon, etc). It's also rated at 40C spec, and should be fairly inexpensive.

It's basically designed as an entry-level unit for people who don't really need huge amounts of power.
jonnyGURU Forums - View Single Post - Corsair Power Supply Units Roundup

The vx450 has 105C caps and is rated at 50C and was available for 3.2k. Now that the CX400 is out they jacked the price to 3.9k and made this inferior one 3.2k. :@
I'm confused between CM460 and CX400 but i'm certainly annoyed with Corsair for the price hike. The VX450 at 3.2k would have been VFM.
 
Yep, reviews of cx400 are yet to appear on web. But there is one that I have found: Translated version of http://www.technic3d.com/article-777,1-corsair-cmpsu-400cx-400w-netzteile-fuer-den-office-pc-teil-3.htm

As I said earlier, Corsair seems to be a better product but CM one is better VMF. If you can afford go for the best which in your case will be CX400. But CM460 won't be bad buy either. Just make sure to get the plus version.

As for the noise from CM460, PM someone here who has the PSU or wait for them to post here.

PS: you are right about VX450. That's definitely a better product but it seems Corsair wants to kill it.
 
sTALKEr said:
^^ what is this VMF you keep talking about :S
i've heard of VFM.. but, whats VMF?

lol... you don't know it. It's geek way of saying VFM. Just the way THE is TEH :bleh:
 
I had recently gotten a vx450 (for 4k locally as the te deals were all closed by then) after my generic 400w psu died. I was running a 9600gt and 3 hdds at that point. I opened the old one up and it turned out that it had just blown a fuse and I could actually fix it.

Does anyone have any solid data regarding damage caused to components due to low quality power supply?

The lower power consumption isn't that much of a plus for me personally as I'm in a hostel for another couple of years.

Also considering the fact that you could buy 4-5 generic psu's for the price of a decent Corsair, I'm having a bit of a hard time justifying my purchase. Some of the arguments like 20+4 instead of 24 pin mobo connectors are trifling matters tbh.
 
^^I lost a 500gb hdd due to a bad zebby psu. While the drive got replaced in a week, it took me a long long time to gather all the stuff I had on the disk. Movies/music etc are obtainable from friends, but some personal data was lost forever. :(
 
^^ if the component is burned, blown up or has gone up in smoke, most likely culprit is power surge/short circuit and that makes PSU a culprit. (of course, unless you are not overclocking and pushing mad volts)

Apart from that, unclean power can also kill components over a period of time. But that is a silent death on most occasions. Not to say that inability to supply required power to components may result in freezes, shutdown, BSOD.

PS: @ stalker, I don't think you took that VMF thing seriously :)
 
morgoth said:
^^ if the component is burned, blown up or has gone up in smoke, most likely culprit is power surge/short circuit and that makes PSU a culprit. (of course, unless you are not overclocking and pushing mad volts)

Apart from that, unclean power can also kill components over a period of time. But that is a silent death on most occasions. Not to say that inability to supply required power to components may result in freezes, shutdown, BSOD.

PS: @ stalker, I don't think you took that VMF thing seriously :)

eh?? what? :S:S
 
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