Market Feedback Deal with "ironman"

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kniwor said:
I've been traveling and couldn't keep track of late. I was called by Khimera to inform me that this guy is also REDCROSS, I login to see some awesome posts here, Khimera & greenhorn especially. Anyway, here's another number he called me from yesterday.
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08041723087
Although I'm pretty sure this is a PCO booth or something, checking doesn't hurt. He asked me if I have transferred lethal's money, which is weird because lethal has already confirmed in the thread that he has received the money and I'm sure he's reading this thread intently as guest. I think he wanted lethal's phone number which I did not have at the moment. The signal was soon lost and I couldn't talk any further.

If there are any 2 members in the same coty that he has conned, say 2 members from Mumbai, they should jointly file an FIR referencing lethal's report and pursue action.

As far as the suggestions enhancing safety in market section, I have a suggestion that is implementable. The market section should require "anyone" who wants to post a For Sale thread to be "verified". What I mean by this is that the following details should be provided.

Name:
Father's/Guardian's Name:
Address: (Provide a permanent address/parent's address if you live in a hostel/college or something)
Ph Number: Mobile and Home
A/c Details: (If the account is not on the same name as the "Name:" field, provide address/phone number etc of the person on whose name the account is on)

Optional Step: Once the address is given, a Re 1/- postcard with a posscode will be sent to the seller on that address. He will enter it on TE to become verified.

Drawbacks:
-It will take some time to implement it with a huge base of existing sellers and extra manpower may be required to manage the database. But once it has been implemented addition of new sellers shouldn't be much work.
- It grants the TE Mods/Admin enormous amount of information, might make some members feel uneasy.

Once a seller is verified he can post freely. This is one-time process for every seller. TE can charge each seller something like Re. 5/- for the whole verification process and extra work.
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All well but just one loop hole, what if the guy is on rent? After some time he may change his place and all intial verification will go for a toss,
 
adi_vastava said:
All well but just one loop hole, what if the guy is on rent? After some time he may change his place and all intial verification will go for a toss,
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Yup, but that's the problem with everything. From Driving License to passport, if Govt. of India cant solve it maybe we can for the time being assume that an individual will not change address to commit fraud at TE.

The point is, nothing is going to be fullproof. And there is a lot of other things that can be done to improve the situation, any additional checks will burden the system. We have to choose something that imposes as little burden as possible and provides as much as possible, security.
 
Which is what ?

The IP suggestion or blacklist is a non-starter.

For me threads like these ought to go into some sort of 'Hall of fame', as they are ample display of how things can backfire.

You can run but you can't hide -- Ronald Raygun
 
The "Verified" member, first post on this page.

Of-course, TE should add a disclaimer that it takes no responsibility for verified members. It is merely a procedure to ensure real people deal on TE.
 
blr_p said:
Which is what ?

The IP suggestion or blacklist is a non-starter.

For me threads like these ought to go into some sort of 'Hall of fame', as they are ample display of how things can backfire.

You can run but you can't hide -- Ronald Raygun
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I think the blacklist is more viable than this verification idea. Not everyone here would like sharing their bank account details / number except unless and until a deal is struck. For a fact, I still only use my mobile number when giving it to contacts. My folks at home do not like the home phone number given out either. And yeah, im in college. In cases like this, I won't be able to trade because of 1 or 2 bozos doing some stupid stuff on the market section.

If you have a blacklist up with the trader's username atleast we can avoid that person and go about with our business with some other user. It's not like scams are directed at everyone... part of the solution is more diligence and less belief in the seller on the buyer's part. Sad but true.
 
grajasekar said:
If you have a blacklist up with the trader's username atleast we can avoid that person and go about with our business with some other user. It's not like scams are directed at everyone... part of the solution is more diligence and less belief in the seller on the buyer's part. Sad but true.
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You do realise that there is no way to uniquely identify ppl going on just the IP addr right ?
 
Create a form for users who want to buy stuff from market and if members want to enter market section then they have get registered they have to enter details like address,contact number,bank account number,scanned copy of vote id or driving license and a photograph...i think this might help....
 
I have said it again and saying it again.

No system can be perfected. Trades in places like this can only be as trustworthy as the people involved.

Although the backlist is very good precautionary measure. atleast of the frauds/cheats/jerks/douches that already shown their colors.

And I say it should be a unified one. There are lots of forums in india. If there is a way to create a cross over database the better.

Atleast with forums that have affiliations programs. Admins should think it over.
 
Not yet he would check his a/c today but once he receives he money (and I hope that he does) I would request the mods to please IP Ban this guy he is the biggest scammer on TE.
 
I have not received any money from this guy. It was a mistake trusting this guy and giving him time to deposit any money... but anyways here we are.

@greenhorn, great work pulling this guy's details... i think these details would be enough for police to lodge FIR... you know how these guys are, they don't file FIR so easily.. but since now we have all details i am sure they will register an FIR. Going there now, lets see how it goes.

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so the fir is against this guy`s friend balaji cos it was his acc where the money was transferred. well his friend will b served cos of him.
 
Go right ahead with the FIR. And Best of Luck mate. This would go a great way in maintaining the cleanliness of the Buy and Sell section and cleanse out frauds and spammers.
 
Maybe we can show the buyer's (WTB threads) and seller's IP's (FS threads). In simple words the original poster's IP can be shown. The blacklisted members name should be added with their IP's as well. This should go a long way.
 
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