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i went to his live chat once to resolve something long time back and he greeted me with " wat are u doing here bastard"

these were the exact words used by him for me in his online live support if he can remember

and yes i gave it back to him calling him a "mother f@#$%er" , and never to talk to him ever again leave alone dealing with him ,

even if there;s a thing that i desperately want and its not available anywhere on this planet and this guy has it , i still wont buy from him ,

let him do watever he wants to . m never going to interfere in wat he deals with or whom he deals with
 
Im just saying that he has a new policy now and that we should be supportive, I never said that he is innocent and has done nothing wrong in the past. And I am not aware of any abusing done by him, if this indeed is true then its very unfortunate.
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One thing I am sure you fell for his words and surely you had a long talk with him over phone. One good thing about Amarbir paaji is that he used me to call so much even w/o any work just for some chit chat. he is otherwise a very jolly person :).....just that may be he needs to mend his ways which till date he has not been able to unfortunately :(
 
MohitPreet said:
i went to his live chat once to resolve something long time back and he greeted me with " wat are u doing here bastard"
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I wasnt aware of such deeds done by him, this is very sad indeed. :-[
Supra said:
One thing I am sure you fell for his words and surely you had a long talk with him over phone. One good thing about Amarbir paaji is that he used me to call so much even w/o any work just for some chit chat. he is otherwise a very jolly person :).....just that may be he needs to mend his ways which till date he has not been able to unfortunately :(
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I really felt that he was being wrongly accused of with the nash case, that nash guy is a really shameless fellow, with the way he talks..the "agonizing" thread was totally uncalled for :(
 
Mephistopheles said:
I don't know why till date Amarbir hasn't posted the chat transcripts with the nash guy on TE for everyone to see, I've seen them myself and the only thing I could conclude was what a shameful fellow this nash is. Although, Amarbir did send the transcripts to Dark Star but there was no action taken and nash's thread still remains in the market feedback section. Many people without even having dealt with him have written negatively about Amarbir, just by their own speculation.
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I have seen those transcripts myself couple of months back when I last visited him. The guy used different names, presented himself has a different TE member every time and tried to harass/taunt Amarbir, abused the forums and live chat and that is after Amarbir left TE. Its not 4~5 times either. There was an entire bunch of them. How sad can one be. Thats not the only person from TE to harass him either. So what kind of serious grudges do these people have against Amarbir to go to such lengths to extract personal vendetta? At least in one case, it was because the guy got only what he paid for. He apparently didn't bother to read the sale page properly before buying and was under the misconception that he was getting a "too good to be true" offer which it was not. He was angry that he did not get a bundle worth 900 bucks when he paid only 500 bucks for the base item.

Everyone has their own idea of how Amarbir should be running his business or behave with his customers and he may choose to follow or not follow such advice, but if someone has a genuine grudge against him, then they should simply stop dealing him or recommending him to others, not go about harassing him.

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Even after going, he published crap abt TE on his website, and tried to start a "competing" forum..
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I haven't seen what he had written, but I am sorry to say that a few "TE Members" have given him him reason to do something like that.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
but if someone has a genuine grudge against him, then they should simply stop dealing him or recommending him to others, not go about harassing him.
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exactly , i will never deal with him ever again , for me he doesnt even exist and he can say the same thing to me as well

who cares abt him -- not me atleast :)
 
Well I certainly hope he has changed for the better.

At least from his recent posts I can see he has trying to kick his habit of typing all first letters in capitals & he is even changing his entire website to only list items in stock so I am hoping that perhaps he has changed his attitude.
 
I have seen those transcripts myself couple of months back when I last visited him. The guy used different names, presented himself has a different TE member every time and tried to harass/taunt Amarbir, abused the forums and live chat and that is after Amarbir left TE. Its not 4~5 times either. There was an entire bunch of them. How sad can one be. Thats not the only person from TE to harass him either. So what kind of serious grudges do these people have against Amarbir to go to such lengths to extract personal vendetta? At least in one case, it was because the guy got only what he paid for. He apparently didn't bother to read the sale page properly before buying and was under the misconception that he was getting a "too good to be true" offer which it was not. He was angry that he did not get a bundle worth 900 bucks when he paid only 500 bucks for the base item.
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Why only that nash incident. Nash was seriously wrong in that. What abt the dozens of other ones ! The supporters wont post abt that at all !

And the mileage varies with everyone. You being a premium customer and shop visitor might have got different treatment. Why don't we see his kind of language/abuse on forum from other dealers? Is he an exception we should treat by default?

wat are u doing here bastard"
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What abt this?

Even after going, he published crap abt TE on his website, and tried to start a "competing" forum..
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LOL he even harassed a blogger with dire consequences and suing him as lynx review was coming up with that link in google. Everyone is entitled to post his own experiences....and then not get harassed to post that.

http://www.amol-patil.com/never-shop-from-lynx-india-site/

http://www.hifivision.com/dealer-feedback-review/8631-registered-dealer-feedback.html

and finally this is from one of our very respected member Sorcerer

http://dudethecakeisalie.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/so-would-you-still-consider-him-as-a-trusted-dealer/

Anyways since there wont be any action...I guess we stop here....It has been decided by competent authority as in those BSNL/Govt. notices that Amarbir will be a resident dealer from Sept 20th 2010 until further notice. We either get it or even if we dont ....just get along with it.
 
i neither want to add to his credit nor anything against him in this thread as it has gonna have no outcome.

i just hope he has taken all the rants and criticism so far in a positive way.

if a man wants to change then the least generous thing we can do is giving him another chance..

PS @supra: i got the same msg from (assuming) the same senior member :P
 
Sad day indeed, won't say more. But for sure this is not 2nd chance he is getting, he already has got many more chances than that and every time has ended with the same attitude. All he wants TE for is to get more mileage for his website. Now since however much we rant nothing is gonna change so At the least I will suggest Mods to ensure that people do not have to go to his website for buying products.
 
Terms For Sale :

* My Responsibility In The Forum Is For The Deals I Do Here ,Not Sales That Are Not Done Here

* My Phone Number Is Listed On My Website,You Can Welcome To Call Me In My Working Hours

* Live support Is Handled By Sales Rep And Me Both ,You Are Welcome To Ask Tech Questions " Please Tell Abhinav To Forward The Chat To Me If Its Audio Related "

* Lets Work Mutually so that we both have a smooth transaction

* Please be patient as website is under intense updates and will be for the next 15 to 30 odd days

* If You Checkout Of Lynx Website Do Mention your TE username In The Comments

source : from his [GO] http://www.techenclave.com/dealers-paradise/audio-gear-lynx-india-sources-amps-175317.html
 
And we thought we have gotten rid of Mr Amarbir the Great for good... But of course, mods and admins have other ideas. And sorry to say the ideas that are plain disrespectful towards the community here as no opinion was sought whether the users here want Amarbir back or not.

After reading threads here it is kinda funny to see that there are members who even support him. I once dealt with him and just like many others abused for daring to ask about a deal that was delayed. This man is unprofessional at best and plain abusive at worst. Whenever something was delayed, he had an excuse ready and mostly it has something to do with his kin falling ill, accidents his own health etc.

Everybody deserves a second chance but not one who takes a whole community for a ride. If Amarbir had good intentions he would have changed his ways long back. For changing ways you need humility and respect for others. Two things that I am sure you will never see in our Dear Dealer.
 
I don't want to support either Amarbir or mods/admins, but it's not that mods/admins are forcing you to buy stuff from Amarbir. It's just he's back as a dealer. Ignore him, if you don't want to deal with him and don't recommend him to anybody.
 
haraakiri said:
I don't want to support either Amarbir or mods/admins, but it's not that mods/admins are forcing you to buy stuff from Amarbir. It's just he's back as a dealer. Ignore him, if you don't want to deal with him and don't recommend him to anybody.
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The reason why most people don't want Amarbir here is because the way web communities work: on the basis of shared experiences. I can ignore him because I had a bad experience with him. But if he is here as a dealer, I am sure new members who have no idea about his previous stint will deal with him and * most likely * suffer the fate that many members here did. This does two things: 1) It leaves the member who was dealing with Dear Dealer harassed and frustrated, 2) It sullies the name of TE and its community.

Now to be honest, I am not associated with TE in any way. But since I have joined this community I have come to realise that by sharing experiences helps everybody. This is the reason why we give ngative/positive feedback on products, shops, brands, share discount codes etc etc. Amarbir was a dealer here earlier... he abused his position despite being given several chances to amend his ways. Mods put up with his tactics for long but when user outcry grew, he was forced to leave (or some say he resigned). This is a member driven community... before he was allowed to come back, at least mods/admins could have asked the community if we want him back or not.
 
Abusive behavior should not be tolerated from anyone. If all of this is true than I regret ever supporting his comeback..this is indeed very sad
 
The dealer still runs with over 99% positive itrader rating. Doesn't that mean that people who've actually bought stuff from him are more or less pretty satisfied ?
Aren't we all being too critical ?
 
Having first-hand experience in dealing with the guy in person, I would still say that he's a great guy. He can go miles, take huge risks, and even sometimes sustain heavy losses.

He had the guts to bring hi-end stuff to a city where people usually bought mid-end. The people who bought hi-end usually ordered-it/got-it from New Delhi and U.S. as they did not know about his existence.

Since the hi-end stuff depreciated fast, it got mandatory for him to make city people aware of his existence. He had no other way but to advertise his store by whatever means possible . Soon, he even realized that the required potential in the city is alarmingly low and he needed more customers. Hence started the online activity. He built a website, entered forums, and then sold like hell to cover up his losses, and eventually gathered way many orders than he had dreamed of.

Unfortunately, he isnt cut-out to be such a dealer. He doesnt have the exposure, knowledge or the extreme patience which is required for one to be an online dealer (Online dealership is a whole new level. Its totally different from handling customers in person).

Long story short, as the previous experiences say, he isnt meant to be a dealer on Tech-forums. His followers will follow him to his website or his store. They know the drill. But here at TE, where newbies have blind faith in our TE dealers, Amarbir (just like a few more dealers), don't fit right.

Just my unbiased 2 cents.
 
sato1986 said:
Having first-hand experience in dealing with the guy in person, I would still say that he's a great guy. He can go miles, take huge risks, and even sometimes sustain heavy losses.

He had the guts to bring hi-end stuff to a city where people usually bought mid-end. The people who bought hi-end usually ordered-it/got-it from New Delhi and U.S. as they did not know about his existence.

Since the hi-end stuff depreciated fast, it got mandatory for him to make city people aware of his existence. He had no other way but to advertise his store by whatever means possible . Soon, he even realized that the required potential in the city is alarmingly low and he needed more customers. Hence started the online activity. He built a website, entered forums, and then sold like hell to cover up his losses, and eventually gathered way many orders than he had dreamed of.

Unfortunately, he isnt cut-out to be such a dealer. He doesnt have the exposure, knowledge or the extreme patience which is required for one to be an online dealer (Online dealership is a whole new level. Its totally different from handling customers in person).

Long story short, as the previous experiences say, he isnt meant to be a dealer on Tech-forums. His followers will follow him to his website or his store. They know the drill. But here at TE, where newbies have blind faith in our TE dealers, Amarbir (just like a few more dealers), don't fit right.

Just my unbiased 2 cents.
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Well said.

But verbally abusing someone is just not acceptable, although having dealt many times with him I never experienced any of it.
 
hatter said:
The reason why most people don't want Amarbir here is because the way web communities work: on the basis of shared experiences. I can ignore him because I had a bad experience with him. But if he is here as a dealer, I am sure new members who have no idea about his previous stint will deal with him and * most likely * suffer the fate that many members here did. This does two things: 1) It leaves the member who was dealing with Dear Dealer harassed and frustrated, 2) It sullies the name of TE and its community.

Now to be honest, I am not associated with TE in any way. But since I have joined this community I have come to realise that by sharing experiences helps everybody. This is the reason why we give ngative/positive feedback on products, shops, brands, share discount codes etc etc. Amarbir was a dealer here earlier... he abused his position despite being given several chances to amend his ways. Mods put up with his tactics for long but when user outcry grew, he was forced to leave (or some say he resigned). This is a member driven community... before he was allowed to come back, at least mods/admins could have asked the community if we want him back or not.
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Exactly my point, i have no personal issue with him or anyone else here..

I call TE my home on the internet, i spend some quality time here and sad as it may sound, it is an indispensable part of my life..

I advertise it on twitter, facebook and among friends in general, and out of the huge lot of people i tell TE abt, if anyone has an experience even remotely similar to what i had (forget others), they are going to bad mouth TE on every possible place they can...

Trust me, you can give a thousand excuses that TE is not a trading platform and all that crap, in the end it will be TE that gets blamed, not Amarbir..

As for amarbir, once TE gets tainted, he will move else where, get kicked out again and then move to some other place, and continue his business,for him every thing is about money and i dont blame him for that..

Its upto us, to have better sense and uphold and demand the standards we think we deserve..
 
+1 for his abusive and irresponsible behaviour. This guy is unprofessional at the best and i have had a horrible experience with him. I sent him a HDD at least 6 months ago for data recovery. I was promised that the entire data has been recovered and i transferred the amount. I also purchased a new HDD from him and was told it will ship out next day. Guess what it was shipped out after 20 days and to my dilemma the data i received was exactly half. I felt cheated and asked him about that in the forum but he instead he started shouting and started boasting about the great work he does lol. I repeatedly have asked him to send my old HDD back from which he recovered data but even after 6 months calling him numerous times i always was given false promises.

Guess what !! ( i feel ashamed of telling this) i called him once by my mom's cellphone as he wasn't picking up my call and he started shouting on my mom and abused her. Then i had a heated argument with him for 1.5 hours on phone and he abused me too. Till now my HDD is stuck with him and he has simply refused to send it back to me.

What is TE gonna do about it as i am a member? Nothing? Mods please answer this (since Amarbir is now a dealer here and i am a TE member)

I wonder after such experiences how can he be allowed again. He also abused TE as a community ( i wish i could share exactly what he said). and its not just about me, i would stay away from him but as hatter has rightly pointed out :- what about new people joining TE or those people who never had an experience with him. Do the mods want to fall in his trap and then regret? if that's the case then i guess its yet another example of just making money and leave aside the fellow members. If mods want to keep a bad mark on TE be it their wish !! Good luck
 
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