Forum Feedback Dealer's previously removed, reinstated ?

[Gannu]

Not everyone is good at English..dont mock him re

It is not about mocking. He knows zilch about the situation, has probably browsed by that last few posts and posted some random thoughts. His deals with the dealer may have gone smooth as well. He probably isn't aware of yesterday's thread either.

 

[Mephistopheles]

The thread is going out of hand.

My Question to people +vely supporting Amarbir:

Have you gone through previous disputes against him? Atleast the ones from the OP ?

dont just post against each and every member criticizing amarbir without knowing the history...that will only make that member look arrogant to you and you look noob/troll to him

I would like you to please go through the entire thread first.

It was very immature on the Mods part to have deleted that thread without any conclusion. If the items being sold on TE where not the disputed items, then the thread could have been shifted to general talk section IMHO.

And yeah I have gone through quite a few disputes, some of them are genuine faults made by Amarbir, one or two are deliberate attempts at hampering his image. As many would have probably noticed that there is a change in his trading policy now as he will only be selling stuff he has in stock, so I think this initiative of his should be given a last chance rather than ridiculing him for past deeds. But, if his previous trend continues and there was never any change in him, he should be barred from trading on TE with no more chances at improving himself. End of story.

P.S Anyways the staff isn't keen on removing him as a dealer here, so there isn't much anyone can do about it..

 

[Nemesis_41]

this thread is going places..

@Supra - can i have the saved thread please.. i wasnt able to read it.. dammit..

 

[madnav]

I would like you to please go through the entire thread first.

It was very immature on the Mods part to have deleted that thread without any conclusion. If the items being sold on TE where not the disputed items, then the thread could have been shifted to general talk section IMHO.

And yeah I have gone through quite a few disputes, some of them are genuine faults made by Amarbir, one or two are deliberate attempts at hampering his image. As many would have probably noticed that there is a change in his trading policy now as he will only be selling stuff he has in stock, so I think this initiative of his should be given a last chance rather than ridiculing him for past deeds. But, if his previous trend continues and there was never any change in him, he should be barred from trading on TE with no more chances at improving himself. End of story.

P.S Anyways the staff isn't keen on removing him as a dealer here, so there isn't much anyone can do about it..

i have read that thread till post #45

but if anyone has it saved then do pm/mail me with the content as im very eager to know what happened.

and my comment was not directed towards you in particular.

He sure has tried to implement a system NOW to be compatible with what the members want and i do respect his attitude towards reaction to criticism.

BUT the story is totally different with his attitude towards handling customers/member pre and post sales.

he literally abused TE and you should have seen things he posted on his website etc.

The point people want to make here is..

"If certain dealer was discontinued due to issues with member on very forum then why out of the blues the same dealer is being reinstated without even concerning once with the same members?"

"Were all the disputes resolved before reinstating him?"

Leave even that apart.

Most of the members arguing against him in this very thread would be much relieved even if it is made compulsory for him to carry out transaction on TE itself and not via his website.

PS: I highlighted +vely particularly. There is a difference between neutral support and +ve support. +ve is about sticking to your side irrespective of however strong the other argument may be, like lawyers do.

 

[Party Monger]

I would like you to please go through the entire thread first.

It was very immature on the Mods part to have deleted that thread without any conclusion. If the items being sold on TE where not the disputed items, then the thread could have been shifted to general talk section IMHO.

And yeah I have gone through quite a few disputes, some of them are genuine faults made by Amarbir, one or two are deliberate attempts at hampering his image. As many would have probably noticed that there is a change in his trading policy now as he will only be selling stuff he has in stock, so I think this initiative of his should be given a last chance rather than ridiculing him for past deeds. But, if his previous trend continues and there was never any change in him, he should be barred from trading on TE with no more chances at improving himself. End of story.

P.S Anyways the staff isn't keen on removing him as a dealer here, so there isn't much anyone can do about it..

Ok lets see this, Judge the mods for one thread that they deleted, judge the members for one odd time that it wasnt amarbir's fault, but dont judge amarbir in-spite of his antics which come at regular intervals, all this because there is a "change in his policy"..

You sir are going nowhere when it comes to convincing people, if anything you are showing how unreasonably you are supporting someone who doesnt give a rat's ass for this forum or the community!!

 

[Mephistopheles]

i have read that thread till post #45

but if anyone has it saved then do pm/mail me with the content as im very eager to know what happened.

and my comment was not directed towards you in particular.

I was talking about this thread, not the one that got deleted.

He sure has tried to implement a system NOW to be compatible with what the members want and i do respect his attitude towards reaction to criticism.

BUT the story is totally different with his attitude towards handling customers/member pre and post sales.

he literally abused TE and you should have seen things he posted on his website etc.

The point people want to make here is..

"If certain dealer was discontinued due to issues with member on very forum then why out of the blues the same dealer is being reinstated without even concerning once with the same members?"

"Were all the disputes resolved before reinstating him?"

Leave even that apart.

Most of the members arguing against him in this very thread would be much relieved even if it is made compulsory for him to carry out transaction on TE itself and not via his website.

The Mods should answer that question, but they have decided to keep mum as there have been no explanation from any of the staff members till now.

PS: I highlighted +vely particularly. There is a difference between neutral support and +ve support. +ve is about sticking to your side irrespective of however strong the other argument may be, like lawyers do.

I do not thing anybody is positively supporting him here irrespective of however strong the other argument may be, all we got in this thread is negative and very few neutral support.

Anyways I think we have been discussing this for too long now without any of the concerned people getting involved and they are just ignoring this issue, we are just arguing over issues that none of us are responsible for and those who are responsible for it have shown no interest.

 

[madnav]

^^ Those who have suffered will surely argue.

That is what the OP has been doing.

I dont see a reason why they shouldnt do that.

as PartyMonger already pointed out.

A change in policy means nothing until carried out.

And it is not enough to over shade the deeds.

Fine about giving chances but does that make things different entirely?

Atleast make it compulsory for dealers to deal on the TE itself and not through their website.

because 'Checkout' also means acceptance of terms and conditions whatever they maybe and they can change them as per their convenience.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Ok lets see this, Judge the mods for one thread that they deleted, judge the members for one odd time that it wasnt amarbir's fault, but dont judge amarbir in-spite of his antics which come at regular intervals, all this because there is a "change in his policy"..
You sir are going nowhere when it comes to convincing people, if anything you are showing how unreasonably you are supporting someone who doesnt give a rat's ass for this forum or the community!!

You weren't there at the time of that thread so you do not have complete facts and unfortunately for some I didnt see it as an "antic" from him.
And as I've said a thousand time before, its not about supporting Amarbir..its about what is right and what is wrong. I don't care if he doesn't give a tiny rat's ass for this community (Members here reciprocate the same feelings)
Simple put, when he is right he is right and when he is wrong he is wrong and when he is wrong sometimes that doesn't mean that when he is right He is wrong again.
"Don't judge a book by its cover!"

^^ Those who have suffered will surely argue.
That is what the OP has been doing.
I dont see a reason why they shouldnt do that.

as PartyMonger already pointed out.
A change in policy means nothing until carried out.
And it is not enough to over shade the deeds.
Fine about giving chances but does that make things different entirely?

Atleast make it compulsory for dealers to deal on the TE itself and not through their website.
because 'Checkout' also means acceptance of terms and conditions whatever they maybe and they can change them as per their convenience.

Sir,
I have suffered a bit myself too and yeah a change in policy means nothing until carried out and it surely isn't enough to over shade the deeds done by him but only time will tell whether the change in policy has actually been implemented or not so I would like to wait till a further time so that one can say for sure whether or not he is a changed man.
And yeah, I absolutely agree with you on the last point. Dealers here should follow the terms and conditions of TE and not the other way around. Although I wish there were stricter guidelines for the dealers to follow.

 

[sri_k]

Very OK. Now go to school.

Sorry for OT..that was good one...

 

[Renegade]

The Mods should answer that question, but they have decided to keep mum as there have been no explanation from any of the staff members till now.

Hey don't look at us as we are as clueless as you are. We don't know who reinstated him and why. I think none of the mods were aware of this. In fact I came to know when I saw this thread. There was no intimation about this in the staff section as well.

 

[apextwin146]

2 Days back

Hi All,

We are fully aware of Amarbir and what he has done in the past. We are reviewing this issue and will get back to you this weekend. Hold on till then.

Also we are reviewing rest of the dealers as well.

And members are more important than anyone else to us. So do not panic wrt.

Now this

Hey don't look at us as we are as clueless as you are. We don't know who reinstated him and why. I think none of the mods were aware of this. In fact I came to know when I saw this thread. There was no intimation about this in the staff section as well.

Some one has been acting naughty?

 

[johnie1]

dude i have gone thro this thread from the begining.Whenever there is a rant against amarbir party monger is the first one to jump into the fray tainting/thrashing amarbir from the day he was born for the sins he did and did not do from party monger's point of view.

Ok lets start from looking at the title.Is the title not mischevious.Amarbir voluntarily resigned.He was not discontinued and sacked.people latching onto that as reinstated is fortifying party monger's argument.Party monger in his hate filled brain maligns him once again.He is hate mongering here.
Is this not juvenile and kiddish.Does this not show a flaw in your personality.My question is this.Has amarbir cheated party monger or others?.By cheating I mean taking the money and then not delivering on the products.Till to date there has not been one case.
The issue here is about amarbir's attitude.I had good dealings with him.So my experience is positive.

Party monger is firing the bullet this time on te's shoulder saying that te's reputation will go down the drain.Any stick/support you can find you use it.

The issue here is not of cheating.The issue here is of attitude.Some guys did not like capital case typing.so what.Amarbir has in a polite manner requested these hate filled mongering minds to stop this rants.so why dont you stop.Is it that in future due to amarbir's dealings te's name will be spoilt.Any other reason.

The man has started trading.If you dont like trading dont trade with him.So Simple.dont spread hate.spread love.spread knowledge.spread understanding.

lol@desecrator.

 

[amitn18]

Never dealt with Amarbir cause the PITA of ordering only through his website, and not TE.

 

[hatter]

dude i have gone thro this thread from the begining.Whenever there is a rant against amarbir party monger is the first one to jump into the fray tainting/thrashing amarbir from the day he was born for the sins he did and did not do from party monger's point of view.

Ok lets start from looking at the title.Is the title not mischevious.Amarbir voluntarily resigned.He was not discontinued and sacked.people latching onto that as reinstated is fortifying party monger's argument.Party monger in his hate filled brain maligns him once again.He is hate mongering here.

Is this not juvenile and kiddish.Does this not show a flaw in your personality.My question is this.Has amarbir cheated party monger or others?.By cheating I mean taking the money and then not delivering on the products.Till to date there has not been one case.

The issue here is about amarbir's attitude.I had good dealings with him.So my experience is positive.

Party monger is firing the bullet this time on te's shoulder saying that TE's reputation will go down the drain.Any stick/support you can find you use it.

The issue here is not of cheating.The issue here is of attitude.Some guys did not like capital case typing.so what.Amarbir has in a polite manner requested these hate filled mongering minds to stop this rants.so why dont you stop.Is it that in future due to amarbir's dealings te's name will be spoilt.Any other reason.

The man has started trading.If you dont like trading dont trade with him.So Simple.dont spread hate.spread love.spread knowledge.spread understanding.

lol@desecrator.

And what am I doing? Do you by any chance work at Amarbir's store? Because I have seen similar rants by his support staff at his official forum.

You talk about spreading knowledge. We are exactly doing that by trying tell people that our Dear Dealer can't with trusted... anyone can deal with him. but not if you have an iota of self-respect.

We all invoke TE because I believe TE doesn't need him. He needs TE. And hence we want TE to make sure that he doesn't sully the name of the community here. He thought he can sell all that high-end audio stuff without TE and left. But that did not happen. Nobody apart from hobbyists and audio enthusiasts are going to buy a Rs 5,000 IEM. Don't you see why he is not going to sell other computer hardware here. Even though Mr Amarbir claims he is the Gigabyte and Intel dealer for north India. But he will only sell audio stuff here.

I, as someone who has been cheated by him, don't want him as a dealer here. But even if mods/admins allow him they should make sure that:

- He should do all his dealings with TE members through PMs and not through his website.

- He should clearly mark when a product is available and when it is not.

- He should clearly say how much time it will take for the product to deliver at the time when he accepts the payment. Any delay and consumer will have option to get his money, including any financial charges+shipping that customer incurred while making cash transferor DD etc, back within three days after the lapse of delivery deadline.

- He should make a contact number/s made available. He should specify the time when customers can call him/his staff. The calls should be picked up, numbers should function and queries should be patiently resolved.

- If he thinks he or his staff can't handle customers on phone, he can simply provide the number to mods here. And for customers, he can have an email id. The mails should be replied with 24 hours. If his existing staff can't do it, he should hire more people. Any delay, and customer will have right to seek money back, including any financial charges+shipping that customer incurred while making cash transferor DD etc.

- He should reply to any question posted in his trade thread or any PM within 24 hours on working days. He can have weekends off so if somebody poses a question on Friday, response can be given by Monday but not later than that. Any lapse, and the trade thread should be locked by admins.



Just my two cents

In fact we can ask all dealers to abide by similar guidelines. may mods and admins can work on them.

 

[Mephistopheles]

And what am I doing? Do you by any chance work at Amarbir's store? Because I have seen similar rants by his support staff at his official forum.

You talk about spreading knowledge. We are exactly doing that by trying tell people that our Dear Dealer can't with trusted... anyone can deal with him. but not if you have an iota of self-respect.

We all invoke TE because I believe TE doesn't need him. He needs TE. And hence we want TE to make sure that he doesn't sully the name of the community here. He thought he can sell all that high-end audio stuff without TE and left. But that did not happen. Nobody apart from hobbyists and audio enthusiasts are going to buy a Rs 5,000 IEM. Don't you see why he is not going to sell other computer hardware here. Even though Mr Amarbir claims he is the Gigabyte and Intel dealer for north India. But he will only sell audio stuff here.

I, as someone who has been cheated by him, don't want him as a dealer here. But even if mods/admins allow him they should make sure that:

- He should do all his dealings with TE members through PMs and not through his website.

- He should clearly mark when a product is available and when it is not.

- He should clearly say how much time it will take for the product to deliver at the time when he accepts the payment. Any delay and consumer will have option to get his money back within three days after the lapse of delivery deadline.

- He should make a contact number/s made available. He should specify the time when customers can call him/his staff. The calls should be picked up, numbers should function and queries should be patiently resolved.

- He should reply to any question posted in his trade thread or any PM within 24 hours on working days. He can have weekends off so if somebody poses a question on Friday, response can be given by Monday but not later than that. Any lapse, and the trade thread should be locked by admins.

Just my two cents

In fact we can ask all dealers to abide by similar guidelines. may mods and admins can work on them.

I would really like to see such guidelines being implemented and strictly followed but unfortunately similar demands and some other suggestions too have never been implemented, because many a times the Administrators are very busy and that was the reason I suggested upgrading one or two staff members to administrator status a while back.

 

[johnie1]

@hatter.

No I do not work for amarbir.I live atleast 2000 kms away from amarbir.Have never met him.Yes I talk about spreading knowledge.This is not knowledge.This is a hate filled rant.If you want to spread knowledge there is a seperate feedback thread wherein you can complain/spread feedback according to the deals done.If you do want to spread knowledge on the things which amarbir has done back it up with proofs.That is knowledge.Make it known to the whole community.Otherwise it is an malicious rumor.

Just curious.How did amarbir cheat you?.Did he not send you the goods after recieving the money?.If so that is plain cheating.If you were let down by service that is not cheating.Is his attitude bad.That is not cheating.That is disappointment.you cannot club the terms interchangeably.Please do clarify.

I also request the members who have posted negative things about amarbir to please clarify on this issue.People who read this thread assume that amarbir has cheated them. Cheating is a crime.

Regarding your suggestions I agree totally with them.

cheers

 

[hatter]

@johnie1: The cheating is that he accepted the payment and later scrapped the deal at his own will. He did refund me money but that too after some tantrums. He wasted my time and misbehaved with me on phone. Now for some it might not be a big deal, but at least for me it was.



I don't know if you at all read threads against Amarbir earlier forum. because had you gone through the threads which were put up against Amarbir earlier, with all proof and whatnot, you would not have been talking nonsense now.

 

[rishabh.asthana]

@hatter.

If you want to spread knowledge there is a seperate feedback thread wherein you can complain/spread feedback according to the deals done.If you do want to spread knowledge on the things which amarbir has done back it up with proofs.That is knowledge.Make it known to the whole community.Otherwise it is an malicious rumor.

cheers

johnie i think this thread is created for the same purpose. regarding your understanding of cheating if you give money to a dealer in return of the promise that the product would be shipped in x days and when the dealer does not ship it and when you enquirer give you load of his attitude what would you call that ?

by the way by your support of amarbir i have also started to believe that you are his stuff or something...or else have bought something from him and wants to believe that he would ship it to you in time by reading your support of him

 

[Mephistopheles]

johnie i think this thread is created for the same purpose. regarding your understanding of cheating if you give money to a dealer in return of the promise that the product would be shipped in x days and when the dealer does not ship it and when you enquirer give you load of his attitude what would you call that ?

by the way by your support of amarbir i have also started to believe that you are his stuff or something...or else have bought something from him and wants to believe that he would ship it to you in time by reading your support of him

I thought that no more replies would be required but things just dont stop do they? Not everyone has a selfish agenda sir, maybe you do but do not pass comments like these..this only shows how weak you know your argument is.

BTW yeah, delaying things is not cheating..dissatisfaction and cheating are two very separate things and please do not club these two together just by saying "It is the same to me" . Although in some cases dissatisfaction can be more agonizing then getting cheated.

Dont jump on me now by expressing your grievances with him, this is not specific to one individual but in general as a whole and once again I must say Im very against providing false ETAs and absurd and abusive ways of communication with customers.

 

[rishabh.asthana]

@Mephistopheles please explain how my argument is in anyway selfish or weak ?