Demonetisation and its Aftermath

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Corrupt people vote corrupt leaders into power. People in this country don't appreciate honesty. So, of course ************** get voted into power, but then, why the the heck do everybody pretend as if the new one is going to be any less of an asshole than the previous one.



One of the first impressions I got of AK was that he is devious and stupid at the same time and one of the most dangerous beings trying every thing to creep his way up the power ladder. Considering that he used corruption, caste, religion and spared no trick in the book, I don't see what you mean by "promise" at all.



If I really have no way to remove corruption from the equation, I would chose corrupt and incompetent over corrupt and devious.



The problem with your assumption is this whole fiasco didn't do a damn thing about corruption after all the cost, effort and suffering and its well known even before this was done. If anything, corruption has increased in several ways as I pointed out earlier. In fact, after this happened, there is rampart tax evasion going on at certain levels because of the expectation that IT dept is going to be too busy with stuff to even scratch their butt.



There isn't anything good about that. Only a few people in the country have home loans or have the eligibility to get home loans while on the other hand, a lot more people of all classes have savings in banks in form of deposits. Reduction in interest rates is going to help may be a few people who are getting new loans. But all the people with savings in deposits are going to be affected negatively. Also consider the fact that very few banks actually reduce the interest rates for existing borrowers while reduction in deposit interest rates is done promptly. For instance, I am still paying 10.3% interest on my home loan while I get 6.9% interest on deposits which is slated to go down even further to 6%. On top of that, I have to pay income tax on the interest effectively making it 4%.

To be honest, since a lot of money is banks, there is neither the means or the motivation to give interest on savings and deposits. Most likely, interest payment for savings and deposits will scrapped and there is also chance that negative interest will be imposed. i.e. a fee to the bank for the privilege of holding money in your account there.



What they are asking is that a person above 60 keep a large sum of their savings locked away in a single deposit for 10 years. What are they going to do if they need the money for an emergency? cancel the whole deposit, pay the penalty which is usually higher for large amounts? Do you know that banks also make it difficult for customers to cancel larger deposits mid term and even push customers towards taking a personal loan instead with their own deposit as the surety? If a senior citizen has 8~10 lac savings, its far better to invest it in the form of multiple 50k deposits even if its at lower interest rates. Of course this may be beneficial to senior citizens who have loads of money, but not to the average person.



What argument?Just to be clear, I have no choice of national anthem and I don't see any reason why playing of any song has to be made mandatory anywhere. As far as I am concerned, I see things like patriotism and nationalism no different than religious fanaticism. These kind of sentiments and thinking are all just anomalies from the animal roots of humans which intelligent and strong minded people use to control and rally them, but don't need themselves. So, I just said that our national anthem makes for a poor choice for the purpose its intended for.
Then there must be 67% corrupt people in India who voted to corrupt & ************* to power right !

Nobody from either Lok Sabha or Rajya Sabha openly state that they belonged to some caste or religion even now.

It is we common people who voted to Sonia Gandhi or her henchmen thinking that a foreiger will save us from us.

It is we common people who voted for a clean India this time and Modi was given a chance.

Since Modi did great in Gujarat...

No bigger conspiracy or devious agenda is in the minds of all common people that they voted for Mr.Modi this time.

He is proving to be a worthwhile candidate this time.

Lord Nemesis neither wants Kongress nor BJP nor Communists nor AAP.
He does not know what he wants. He simply argues for the sake of arguing.

Come on dude, be reasonable & rational & sensible.

Your rants wont change anything and some of your arguments are amusing to read. If you are Lord Rama & Harischandra, then why everybody is not praying to you dude...
 
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In many situations, it is the rules themselves are corrupt. For example, the stamp duty and property registration taxes are unreasonably high which is the main reason why the majority (as in much more than 67%) of people register at fair value and pay the rest unofficially. Add to it the fact that people buy property as investments a resale causing the problem to multiply. In this case, the % should be much lower as there is practically no investment by the govt in the transactions.

A lot of legislation is reactionary and even otherwise hardly any of the rules are made after studying the possible effects and loopholes it could have and how it fits into the system. A lot of what is termed "corruption" is simply people trying to circumvent something the feel as unnecessary or unfair or needlessly inconvenient. The demonetization move itself is a perfect example of such a poorly thought out decision and subsequent addendums and revisions were all reactions to how the country responded.
 
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Then there must be 67% corrupt people in India who voted to corrupt & aholes to power right !

More like 99%. And Yeah just because a large bunch of people support something doesn't make it correct. Congress has been voted into power a lot more times and has been in power for 60 years compared to BJP''s 10. Does that make Congress significantly more honest than BJP? Way to kill your own argument.

Lord Nemesis neither wants Kongress nor BJP nor Communists nor AAP.
He does not know what he wants. He simply argues for the sake of arguing.

Come on dude, be reasonable & rational & sensible.

People who want to live honestly wish for clean & honest people around them and that goes for their choice of public servants as well. Whether they get that or not is a different matter.

On the other hand, if people are wishing for and supporting dishonest public servants from the get go and trying to justify the misdeeds of said leaders, then it just means that there is something very wrong them and in more than a few cases, an indicator of unclean conscience.

The biggest problem in this country is that any concept of honesty and genuine wish for clean governance is loathed as some sort of disease and simply because most of the people are involved in misdeeds of their own in their own lives and they could only relate to leaders who are like themselves.They can only accept leaders whose concept of honesty is very selective and enforceable on other people, but not themselves. That's why they praise Modi as if he is ridding the country of corruption even as they are busy preparing all sorts of fake receipts and documents to evade their their taxes.
 
Get a hold of yourselves people. There is no need to tag someone as either a Bhakt or a Modi hater just because he/she does not subscribe to your views. And no personal attacks at any cost.

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Please also stop using ciphered swear words or short forms thereon.
 
The 'Party' is playing dirty and I mean really dirty. I was watching the debate hosted by Karan Thapar last night and was appalled by their ingenuity. Declaring the Budget right before the elections starts, in 5 states, can seriously influence the voters. Since the date has been advanced and the opposition parties are writing to the EC to postpone it it is possible that the date might be changed. In that case they can rely on the speech given on 31st Dec in which a few perks were mentioned. The declaration can be used as damage control as in the hardships faced by people post demonetization.

Declaration - I do not support or oppose any party. Just saying it as I see it and I might be entirely wrong in that case apologies _/|\_
 
The 'Party' is playing dirty and I mean really dirty. I was watching the debate hosted by Karan Thapar last night and was appalled by their ingenuity. Declaring the Budget right before the elections starts, in 5 states, can seriously influence the voters. Since the date has been advanced and the opposition parties are writing to the EC to postpone it it is possible that the date might be changed. In that case they can rely on the speech given on 31st Dec in which a few perks were mentioned. The declaration can be used as damage control as in the hardships faced by people post demonetization.

Declaration - I do not support or oppose any party. Just saying it as I see it and I might be entirely wrong in that case apologies _/|\_
Um, no, the plan to present the budget early was in place since last year. A quick google search throws up these articles:
http://indianexpress.com/article/op...to-do-than-just-advance-budget-dates-2995658/
http://www.india.com/news/india/uni...ary-1-announcement-to-come-this-week-1596140/ ----> This one has gem of a line ---- "Having decided to advance the budget presentation by a month, the government took the line that it should not be presented in the middle of Assembly poll in Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Uttarakhand, Goa and Manipur. So, it consulted the Election Commission, which has concurred with the finance ministry’s view that it is an annual financial statement and can come anytime of the government’s choice, officials said."

There are many more such articles to be found:
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=g...ome&ie=UTF-8#q=government+advance+budget+date

So making it seem like this has happened out of the blue shows what side the "show" is playing on.

If the so called opposition parties were so concerned they should have raised it as a concern earlier but they dint make it an issue. Now with elections approaching they have a better chance to portray "the party is playing dirty and really dirty" by not presenting the full facts. They might even say that the "party" changing the FY to Jan-Dec later is somehow appealing to "Hindu Majority" because then the budget will fall Oct-Nov period ie the Diwali-Dussera period.

Even EC was aware of it when they made the date announcement on 4th. So lets see if EC feels this is inappropriate. Obviously if they disagree, "opposition parties" will accuse EC to be hand in glove with the government.
 
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Look what I found -
'Cashless village' in Rajasthan, only on paper - The Times of India -
http://toi.in/Gti2aZ/a18ag

Internet is the weak link in going cashless in India. ATM and POS machines require internet connection to connect to bank servers for card validation. Without any net access how will they work? Mobile networks are too slow and expensive for such tasks. The only reason going cashless will fail miserably is cause India does not have a good internet infrastructure in place in the tier 2,3 cities and rural areas.
 
Most unfortunate thing is that the govt. knows its hogwash too but the govt also has bigger bosses than us or poor Modiji.
 
And what about tech illiteracy? This push for cashless economy is like a scammer's paradise.
Tech illiteracy can be dealt with the help of educated youngsters willing to help. The elders can be educated for the cashless transfers/payments.
 
And what about tech illiteracy? This push for cashless economy is like a scammer's paradise.

Not entirely true. Scammers are there everywhere, with the move to cashless, you can eliminate a lot of frauds. The education can be given by youngsters and with initiatives, say sponsored by govt.

Additionally, this may result in a lot of falsehoods being propagated in villages being eliminated. We must push for a Digital India.
 
Not entirely true. Scammers are there everywhere, with the move to cashless, you can eliminate a lot of frauds. The education can be given by youngsters and with initiatives, say sponsored by govt.

Additionally, this may result in a lot of falsehoods being propagated in villages being eliminated. We must push for a Digital India.
We have totally forgotten about the debit card number breach which happened in October. Using which type of education will we be able to prevent such a breach? A malware was present in the banking system itself.
And with the uproar regarding demonetisation, we don't even know if the banks have even investigated the breach and if the root cause has been found.

A bank in Bangladesh also had malware in their system. Using it money was transferred out via SWIFT payment mode. Currently we don't know if any such thing affects the system of our banks. Only when a big hack has happened will we get to know about it's existence.
 
Not entirely true. Scammers are there everywhere, with the move to cashless, you can eliminate a lot of frauds. The education can be given by youngsters and with initiatives, say sponsored by govt.

Additionally, this may result in a lot of falsehoods being propagated in villages being eliminated. We must push for a Digital India.

Its more like shoving "Digital India" down the throats of people forcefully. Even a lot of so called "techies" working in the IT industry in India have little knowledge of cyber security. Even those people often get scammed by online and phone scams and what not and you are expecting people with generation gaps and those without even basic literacy to embrace an all digital world where they are going to be treated like sheep ready to be milked, sheared and cut up.

First of all, show me one govt (or govt affiliated entity) website that is anywhere close to being secure. TRAI, the so called regulatory body for everything telecom and internet related in the country got their systems hacked in a jiffy several times and even got DDoS'ed by Facebook of all things. BSNL was caught with plain text password lists for 30 million customers. EFPO does not know how to keep their site running continuously for a few days continuously, leave alone the security aspects. SBI group of banks is a haven for scammers and fraudsters.

Then there is the question of security practices of third parties involved in the process. In USA, Target super market chain was responsible for breach of data of 40 million credit card using customers in 2015. It was later found that the management considered any spending towards security meaningless and useless. The anti-virus on the windows systems that they used was last updated 8 years prior.

Even for the BHIM app, I have not been able to find out either its PCI DSS certified. All UPI integrator's are expected to be PCI compliant and regular audits are mandated, but apart from the arrogant claims of being 100% secure and un-hackable or about some white-hat hacker doing some testing, I have't seen anything about its security compliance in written anywhere.

Both iOS and Android are insecure if you look at the number and type of security incidents reported. On top of that, there is the human factor. Its not easy to abruptly train people about digital security. Try to tell a 50+ year old person to chose a password with meaningless sequence of letters, numbers and symbols. Try to tell them to remember that password instead of writing it down in an email or paper..
 
BHIM app also got dozens of scam-clones within 48 hours on Play Store. That's impressive (whoever developed them), and disgusting (what the actual fruitcake Google?).
 
Govt says Rs 5 discount for cashless payment for gas booking. Since Its not like people have any option left due to shortage of loose change, I booked online.

Billed for Rs 668 , Rs 663 after Rs 5 discount and then Rs 8 added on top as transaction charge for online payment. (Net-Banking with HDFC) The delivery guy who came demanded that my mom pay Rs 5 as dues on the bill and also insisted on payment of another Rs 15 as his tip even though my mom told him that she doesn't have change handy. Didn't leave till my mom found some change to pay him. He even tried to demand that we pay in full cash from next time instead of online. Welcome to cashless India where the govt/banks get first dibs to screw you before these people.

Will be raising a complaint with the gas agency tomorrow, but not sure if they will take any action.
 
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