Graphic Cards Details of R500 chip (Xbox 360 )

Apart from the unified shaders, the GPU supports all the SM 3.0 functions and "beyond" infact it may be the first chip to do displacement mapping at acceptable frame rates. And the other really diff aspect is the embedded DRAM support :

The really fascinating thing here is the design of that daughter die. Feldstein called it a continuation of the traditional graphics pipeline into memory. Basically, there's a 10MB pool of embedded DRAM, designed by NEC, in the center of the die. Around the outside is a ring of logic designed by ATI. This logic is made up of 192 component processors capable of doing the basic math necessary for multisampled antialiasing. If I have it right, the component processors should be able to process 32 pixels at once by operating on six components per pixel: red, green, blue, alpha, stencil, and depth. This logic can do the resolve pass for multisample antialiasing right there on the eDRAM die, giving the Xbox 360 the ability to do 4X antialiasing on a high-definition (1280x768) image essentially for "free"—i.e., with no appreciable performance penalty. The eDRAM holds the contents of all of the back buffers, does the resolve, and hands off the resulting image into main system memory for scan-out to the display.
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And some more info on Nvidia's RSX :
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2423&p=3

Given that the RSX is based off of NVIDIA's G70 architecture, you can expect to have a similar feature set later this year on the PC. In fact, NVIDIA stated that by the time PS3 ships there will be a more powerful GPU available on the desktop. This is in stark contrast to ATI's stance that a number of the features of the Xbox 360 GPU won't make it to the desktop for a matter of years (potentially unified shader architecture), while others will never be seen on the desktop (embedded DRAM?).
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Hmm so we will have a faster GPU by the time PS3 hits the market..
 
Actually Nvidia's position is better.If $300 consoles will give better graphics than discrete $500 video cards,the day of video cards is over.Why not use the old pc as the web/office-box and buy a xbox/ps3 for games?
 
PS3's slated price will be 500-600 $ in 2007 when Nvidia themselves said they will have a better GPU. On the otherhand Xbox is looking for a 300$ July 2005 release with ATI saying R500 is atleast 2 years ahead technology.

Also on a sidenote, How will NVIDIA benefit from it ? Its a PC vs Console argument here.
 
Umm.........This debate has raged on for quite long, but Pc gaming wont die simply cuz new consoles have come out. Many genres are best played on the PC ;) I remember when the ps2 had come out many peeps were predicting the imminent death of PC gaming, but then we are here talking about the r520 and g70 :P
 
:rofl: PC gamin aint gonna die, PC will soon overtake these games in the graphics department again......

but lookin in a diff angle i thnk investing in a x360 is better cuz its kindda
300$'s stuff for 2yrs rather than spending on a 450$ card + ram + cpu almost evry year
 
Read this somewhere..

PS3 Console = $450
1 Extra Wireless Controller = ~ $40
4 Launch Games (@$60/ea) = $240
Memory Card so you can take your saves with you = ~ $30
Remote = $30
Insurance on system (@EB) = $50
Total = $810 + tax (>$40) = $850 on the rim; out the door.

Yikes!

:D, 360 for me baybay with GTA and FF on 360, no PS3 for me...

Another post...dunno if its true..the gurus here need to throw some more light on this...

Here are the facts: Nvidia uses separate Vertex and Pixel Shaders, ATI uses a Unified Shader which does both Vertex and Pixel Shading using the same Shader. When Nvidia calculates performance, it totals both Vertex and Pixel Shaders running at peak efficiency. When ATI calculates performance, it totals the performance of the single unified shader (composed of both Pixel and Vertex shaders) at peak efficiency. So this means that in order to compare ATI's performance to Nvidia's, you would double the rated performance.

PS3: CPU=0.25 TFlops GPU=1.80 TFlops for both Pixel and Vertex Shaders

XBOX360: CPU=0.18 TFlops GPU=0.88 TFlops for Unified Shaders=1.75

TFlops for combined Pixel and Vertex Shaders So the PS3 has a total theoretical of about 2 TFlops and XBox 360 has about 1.9 TFlops (counting Pixel and Vertex shaders separately, as thr PS3 does)."

link :
http://www.gamedreamz.com/index.cgi?m=stories&s=read&id=3642

Source->http://www.ccfx.net/nextboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=2116?sid=1881d5222e66039aaa2f08ba80fea2e2

Regards,
DC.
 
Those prices are heavily inflated.The end price for these consoles will come to $299 within a quarter of their release.
For Aces170:I didn't mean it would help Nvidia just that their stance of keeping the cutting edge on the desktop is better than Ati's 'giving it all to the vole's baby' attitude.
 
Well all this talk of pc gaming dying is pure bs. Do you think that both nvidia and ati are dumb enough to kill off the product(pc graphics card) that gives them the maximum revenue? Its plain stupid to even think so. Console chip revenues will never be more than what they make selling graphics chips for the pc since their margin on pc graphics chips is much higher. Whenever a new console has released, sony has always spread FUD. Its the same this time as well. By the time the systems arrive, pc graphics cards would have gone a long way ahead :).
 
Whenever a new console has released, sony has always spread FUD. Its the same this time as well. By the time the systems arrive, pc graphics cards would have gone a long way ahead .
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Well this time it came from the horses mouth, IE Nvidia besides I feel now MS has an edge over Sony as they are releasing atleast a year and half earlier.. But Xbox 360 with a R5xx core for 300$ is hard to resist. But then again the games cost a bomb here in India atleast.
 
Its true that the XBOX360's cost would be a bomb if its sold here and just imagine the PS3's cost when it'll be sold here!!!!:D, it wud be like arnd 40-45K and people would nhesitate to spend 30K on an XBOX360 leave alone 45K for a PS3!!:D

DC.
 
Darthcoder said:
Read this somewhere..

PS3 Console = $450
1 Extra Wireless Controller = ~ $40
4 Launch Games (@$60/ea) = $240
Memory Card so you can take your saves with you = ~ $30
Remote = $30
Insurance on system (@EB) = $50
Total = $810 + tax (>$40) = $850 on the rim; out the door.

Yikes!

:D, 360 for me baybay with GTA and FF on 360, no PS3 for me...
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Lolz Dc the same applies to Xbox 360 also :P U thought they ship the extra controller and the memory cards, no way ! Btw with the next gen consoles they costs are likely to increase. Add a HDTV + 5.1 speaker set to it if you want gr8 sound quality and picture. Plus since the console makers normally lose money on the hardware they are going to rip ppl off more on the games and licensing. ;)

For the early adopters in india as well as abroad it's gonna cost a bomb and till the time it becomes cheap enough for every1 to buy PC graphics and games will have made advances by leaps and bounds like chaos said :P. Still the prospect of buying a new supercomputer at such insanely low prices makes you want one :P
 
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