Forum Feedback Excessive Moderation in General Talk

[Party Monger]

Yes this is the continuation of the other thread, since these days a thread is either a property of a MOD or the thread owner and it gets closed at their request or the whims of the mods..

My question:- There exists a mammoth thread, you want fast and precise advice, do i have to go around the park and search for it inspite of know that it wont help, or i can make a new thread for the same?

If i do make a new thread, whats so wrong in it that a mod cant let it ride a day or two and then merge it with the sticky, thats if they hav to be completely anal abt the rules?

Lastly isnt this general talk? Why so much moderation?

Not to be personal abt any one in particular, but some mods really need to get an attitude check, i know many of them are great persons, but power does get on to one's head and exercising it becomes a necessity every time you seem anything a tad bit out of the normal, guys, need to remember that power works best when used with discretion..
Lastly since when did healthy discussion become ranting? Am i ranting? Or do i just want this beloved forum to be a place where i can still continue to come everyday and just enjoy reading the discussions with out mods trying to poke and spoil the fun?
Lately i've seen this trend where mods rally together instead of speaking for the truth/ whats correct..
In the end, its polite to first let the thread starter know that a similar thread exists and why exactly he felt the need to open a new thread..

 

[DanDroiD]

Personally I am very disappointed in general at the behavior of many people here on TE lately.. this has absolutely nothing to do with my being a mod as I would feel the same regardless.

The total lack of respect of members to each other let alone the mods lately has been horrible, people should be ashamed, just how important is it to keep on nuking each other over the head with something.

Sometimes it is ok to be the mature individual and just move on, the more people that are dragged into these little personal vendetta's the more it just escalates bad feelings between other members and spirals into an immature battle between members that are not even involved.

Ranting has nothing to do with it, it just creates too many bad feelings,... if you guys like TE as a place to hang out... then you should learn to have better respect for each other and be nicer.. This applies to everyone.. you reap what you sow.

Causing discord creates tension in a place that members profess to enjoy coming to hang at, then stop being so combative and learn be be the better man and let things go. Know in your heart that you were the mature individual and the stronger character by not responding to and not letting things continue to escalate.

@Party Monger, this is NOT directed at you... or anyone specifically for that matter so I don't care if anyone wants to whine about this as I have no intention of responding or elevating this any further.

This is my Rant and Rave to express my feelings about a place where I have been coming to for years that I love and enjoy being a part of, and people I have come to know and like and consider friends.

 

[Party Monger]

Personally I am very disappointed in general at the behavior of many people here on TE lately.. this has absolutely nothing to do with my being a mod as I would feel the same regardless.

The total lack of respect of members to each other let alone the mods lately has been horrible, people should be ashamed, just how important is it to keep on nuking each other over the head with something.

Sometimes it is ok to be the mature individual and just move on, the more people that are dragged into these little personal vendetta's the more it just escalates bad feelings between other members and spirals into an immature battle between members that are not even involved.

Ranting has nothing to do with it, it just creates too many bad feelings,... if you guys like TE as a place to hang out... then you should learn to have better respect for each other and be nicer.. This applies to everyone.. you reap what you sow.

Causing discord creates tension in a place that members profess to enjoy coming to hang at, then stop being so combative and learn be be the better man and let things go. Know in your heart that you were the mature individual and the stronger character by not responding to and not letting things continue to escalate.

@Party Monger, this is NOT directed at you... or anyone specifically for that matter so I don't care if anyone wants to whine about this as I have no intention of responding or elevating this any further.

This is my Rant and Rave to express my feelings about a place where I have been coming to for years that I love and enjoy being a part of, and people I have come to know and like and consider friends.

I wonder why you talk abt letting things go and being the great guy who sacrificed for the greater good, the problem here is, first things just happen once, then seeing no one sed anything it becomes an unsaid rule.. this is exactly why i made this thread.. Its not for ranting abt what happened and who were the individuals involved.. The point is simple, "This is general talk, why would a mod want to interfere in petty things as these..?" Why cant some choices be left to the members and thier judgement?"

If someone creates a new thread, is specific about his needs, why would you want to interfere? Obviously if the person is well acquainted with the thread, he would know wat kind of replies will be coming his way...

BTW, i understood what you're talking abt, actually there are many time when a write a big ass reply and in the end just choose to delete it and not reply..Thats in case of personal attacks, but here its a sort of policy thing..

 

[Crazy_Eddy]

In the end, its polite to first let the thread starter know that a similar thread exists and why exactly he felt the need to open a new thread..

In the end, its always wise to first know the background before jumping to conclusions : The thread was closed, and the OP was indeed told that a similar thread existed.

Ironically the very same accusation you make of mods rallying around is exactly what you are doing now, except that the mods atleast make it a point to check on the facts before doing so.

As per over-moderation in the General Talk section, I have already noticed the same and asked my fellow mods to lighten up a bit. You know very wel that new mods are handling the section and it will take them a bit of time to get into the groove of things. Sadly the members who have the easier role to play aren't being accommodating enough with the new mods. We are mature enough to take accountability for our actions, can we hope to see a similar response from the members?

 

[Party Monger]

In the end, its always wise to first know the background before jumping to conclusions : The thread was closed, and the OP was indeed told that a similar thread existed.
Ironically the very same accusation you make of mods rallying around is exactly what you are doing now, except that the mods atleast make it a point to check on the facts before doing so.

As per over-moderation in the General Talk section, I have already noticed the same and asked my fellow mods to lighten up a bit. You know very wel that new mods are handling the section and it will take them a bit of time to get into the groove of things. Sadly the members who have the easier role to play aren't being accommodating enough with the new mods. We are mature enough to take accountability for our actions, can we hope to see a similar response from the members?

You talk as if we are two sides, frankly what you sed now could hav been said earlier.. A simple "Point acknowledged" would have saved all of us a lot of time..:S

I wont say anything else, since it would lead to more senseless debate, but we are a part of the community too, let us know if you acknowledge our requests or are working on it..

 

[Crazy_Eddy]

You talk as if we are two sides, frankly what you sed now could hav been said earlier.. A simple "Point acknowledged" would have saved all of us a lot of time..:S

A simple *point* would've enabled us to acknowledge it in the first place. I read and re-read your first post (no seriously, take a read yourself too), and all I see is you taking on someone else's issue and throwing in a couple of presumptuous accusations along the way. And you think we wasted your time? :S

For the record all requests are acknowledged as long as they are made sincerely and without any intention to simply stir up trouble.

 

[Party Monger]

A simple *point* would've enabled us to acknowledge it in the first place. I read and re-read your first post (no seriously, take a read yourself too), and all I see is you taking on someone else's issue and throwing in a couple of presumptuous accusations along the way. And you think we wasted your time? :S

For the record all requests are acknowledged as long as they are made sincerely and without any intention to simply stir up trouble.

Well a simple point was made in the other thread, both know how that went ..

The problem is, while i see it as a system related issue, you saw i as a personal issue..i'l rest it at that..

Secondly, All i said/meant to say was that what if you would hav cleared the air before things got to such a level, things would hav been better and would hav saved OUR(as in both u and me included) time.

Theres no reason to be offended, and if some observation did hurt you, know that those were honest suggestions..The issue stand solved, no need to take it further Eddy..

 

[Shripad]

Ok, now I am honestly lost in your posts.

From what I read, air was cleared in that thread itself. Or do you feel like we should have waited for your input before we did something to that thread??

 

[Party Monger]

Ok, now I am honestly lost in your posts.

From what I read, air was cleared in that thread itself. Or do you feel like we should have waited for your input before we did something to that thread??

I guess we have different definitions of "clearing the air" then, Secondly, if you're lost in my posts, please feel free to reply when you found your self..

Lastly, stop trying to pick up a fight or going after people who try to voice their honest heartfelt suggestions..

If you cant understand someone's genuine concerns, please avoid replying in this..

 

[Aladdin]

@Party Monger, I totally agree with you. There should be less moderation in GT section. And i totally do not buy the fact of posting in a sticky thread, even it being of the same topic. You see, almost every topic has a sub topic within itself, which always leads to different result, Now thats messing up :|

I mean for eg, if we have a India-Australia match going on OR India-China war going on, then we can have only ONE result but a movie thread cannot have same result all the time

EDIT: Now it hits me, TE has a sister site, maybe mods wants ppl to register there too...?

 

[Vij]

My question:- There exists a mammoth thread, you want fast and precise advice, do i have to go around the park and search for it inspite of know that it wont help, or i can make a new thread for the same?

No, you cant, because of indexing issues :S and because someone does not care for what you or anyone else feels :hap2:

So you better start posting your queries in the 400th page of a thread in GT even if they are technically not on the same "sub-topic" :hap2:

PS: I am not talking in context of funky, Eddy, Aces or any mod that has posted here until this point in time.

If i do make a new thread, whats so wrong in it that a mod cant let it ride a day or two and then merge it with the sticky, thats if they hav to be completely anal abt the rules?

Some people like to be noticed na. I am pretty sure even the older mods who supported that decision wouldnt have done it. But once it happened, they couldnt debunk a decision. This is my personal opinion.

Not to be personal abt any one in particular, but some mods really need to get an attitude check, i know many of them are great persons, but power does get on to one's head and exercising it becomes a necessity every time you seem anything a tad bit out of the normal, guys, need to remember that power works best when used with discretion..

Lastly since when did healthy discussion become ranting? Am i ranting? Or do i just want this beloved forum to be a place where i can still continue to come everyday and just enjoy reading the discussions with out mods trying to poke and spoil the fun?

Lately i've seen this trend where mods rally together instead of speaking for the truth/ whats correct..

In the end, its polite to first let the thread starter know that a similar thread exists and why exactly he felt the need to open a new thread..

I agree, its sad that some elements exist in a forum I love so much. We just have to bear the small 0.1% of bad with the majority of good. Not a bad deal

 

[greenhorn]

and you guys think that's a bad thing? A forum should be an organized collection of information. not a bunch of threads thrown about the whole place. I agree that the search duration could have been lesser, but come on! When somebody is trying to restore some chaos to the whole thing, the least you can do is not whine about it.

Its not like you're not allowed to post stuff, just that you're being asked to post it where it is supposed to. After all, we cant have subforums for everything - that's why we have the sticky threads for different topics in GT.

I for one am with the mods in this thing.This is nowhere near Over Moderation.

 

[Vij]

@ Greeny

Organised collection. Yes, you have a point. But I still feel that when you put some subtopics in a different thread(no need to sticky all of them) it would work better.

Have one

"Suggest TV series thread" ---> Understood.

Have one

"General TV Discussion thread" for all queries on anything and everyth TV related---> Not understood.

When someone said you cant have just one thread for Graphic cards and the same one single thread for all queries cant be applied there, that still appears somewhat of a point as this is finally a tech forum. So its not just about organization only. I can see some sense there.

But having said that,

In GT, f you club "last movie seen", "suggest horror movies", "suggest comedy movies", "Latest Releases" and form one giant "Movie discussion thread" does it mount to a more organized approach?

Why does something about this approach sound wrong? Have you considered that?

Edit:

As per over-moderation in the General Talk section, I have already noticed the same and asked my fellow mods to lighten up a bit. You know very wel that new mods are handling the section and it will take them a bit of time to get into the groove of things. Sadly the members who have the easier role to play aren't being accommodating enough with the new mods. We are mature enough to take accountability for our actions, can we hope to see a similar response from the members?

Just saw this post now. Thanks for considering.

Sometimes its not easy to say those things. I respect you for that.

 

[greenhorn]

if this had been a tech subject, your reasoning would have been entirely valid, but in GT, if a related ( even remotely) thread exists, its better off there. I mean, if you start a new thread, it is because either, it will show up in new threads, or in the threads index, or both, and you wish to draw attention to the thread via these means.

If everyone were to start doing that , you risk dilution of the entire forum ( which had been happening for a while) as well as less organization in general talk. Right now, people who are interested in movies probably check out the sticky and will respond. I dont think entirely different groups of people watch new releases, horror movies and comedy movies, so there isnt much fault with the current grouping.

Creating a new thread is the equivalent of sticking your head out and asking for specific advice. You probably will get your answer, but the rest of us risk losing our focus. Yes the rules may suck a bit, and we all have to sacrifice a little for the greater good of the community

 

[Vij]

if this had been a tech subject, your reasoning would have been entirely valid.

I already agreed to the tech subject thing in my previous post.

I mean, if you start a new thread, it is because either, it will show up in new threads, or in the threads index, or both, and you wish to draw attention to the thread via these means.

Not entirely true. Apart from all that, I also want better organization and focus on the topic concerned. Thats why.

If everyone were to start doing that , you risk dilution of the entire forum ( which had been happening for a while) as well as less organization in general talk. Right now, people who are interested in movies probably check out the sticky and will respond. I dont think entirely different groups of people watch new releases, horror movies and comedy movies, so there isnt much fault with the current grouping.

But in a very long generalized thread, if someone posts general stuff a post or two down the line the focus is lost. I have a better chance of sustaining the sub-topic concerned with a new thread.

But, atleast you are consistent with your views. Umm ok.

Creating a new thread is the equivalent of sticking your head out and asking for specific advice. You probably will get your answer, but the rest of us risk losing our focus. Yes the rules may suck a bit, and we all have to sacrifice a little for the greater good of the community

Believe me, I have sacrificed something in this thread here for the greater good.

PS: If I were a mod, I would def take extra care while closing threads. Closing a thread is fine. Closing a harmless thread in GT is still fine, but closing a harmless thread in GT with a smug comment or expression causes provocation. There-in a issue is created where none existed. When you close a thread, you are symbolically shutting the door on a member, atleast do it gracefully. Is it too much to ask for?

Please dont get me wrong and please please do note that I am not generalizing.

Peace.

 

[SharekhaN]

I dont see how things have changed overnight.

Funky did say that their new mods are working on our complaints and we were requested to give it some time.

I thought that was perfectly fine. 9 hours, IMHO is too less of a time to check back on the status.

Back off people, give them some breathing space.

 

[Vij]

I dont see how things have changed overnight.

Funky did say that their new mods are working on our complaints and we were requested to give it some time.

I thought that was perfectly fine. 9 hours, IMHO is too less of a time to check back on the status.

Back off people, give them some breathing space.

True! Saw Eddy's post some time back.

 

[greenhorn]

ah ok, so your issue is not with what is being done, but how it is being done.

I have nothing to say on that. Maybe it was humour, maybe the particular mod felt he knew you personally, that you wouldnt take offence. I guess he thought wrong.

I have had interactions with mods with even worse language. But its all in good natured humour. I dont see it too hard to visualize the message given to you being made in the same vein .

I agree that the mods may need to behave with restraint and maturity while dealing with everyone, but isnt the informal nature and the relative immaturity that makes you love this place ?

If i have to keep posting in this diplomatic language any longer, i will probably go shoot myself:2guns:

 

[Vij]

ah ok, so your issue is not with what is being done, but how it is being done.

I have nothing to say on that. Maybe it was humour, maybe the particular mod felt he knew you personally, that you wouldnt take offence. I guess he thought wrong.

I have had interactions with mods with even worse language. But its all in good natured humour. I dont see it too hard to visualize the message given to you being made in the same vein

Wrong! Arre why are you ignoring parts of my post

Regarding the second part of your statement, I dont think it was friendly banter.

Also, had some official serious saans-bahu stuff with him after that . He was going all official on me(not wrong). I told him his reasoning was gross and I had given up on him and wanted to stop the PM Convo. He said I was immature and he was wasting his precious time on me and to bug someone else. I told him not to be a prick and not to send me any more messages. He replied with smthing which I dint read, simply deleted. Somewhere in btw I snapped and said its become an ego issue for him when he told me "you wont get a seperate thread for your private queries"(sounded weird...though he may not have meant exactly that... to his credit he did clarify later). Later after almost 24 hrs, he gave me an infraction saying I insulted(after a gap of a day).

I received the infraction when I was about to send him a pm to fget things. Yes, awful timing.

Edit: Damn you Greeny. You made me post stuff that I didnt want to

:ashamed:

 

[Bluffmaster]

This is nowhere near Over Moderation.

This is not the first instance. This has been happening on quite a regular basis lately. And its time something is done about it.

Take a look at this page of this thread for example : http://www.techenclave.com/general-talk/last-movie-you-have-seen-63501-145.html

A few members were discussing about the movie "anaconda" and a few posts later they get a moderator warning from Mr. toxicmind saying :

"please don't crap this thread with your arguments !"

In the very same page you all can see member's disappointment with his actions. I am assuming if they would have created a separate anaconda thread, it would have been a problem for the mods as well.

Anyways, take my recent case for example. I had made 3 consecutive posts in the TV discussion thread with a time gap of more then 10 hours and my intention was to bump the thread but what our new intelligent mod thought otherwise and he immediately merged the posts without even bothering to check the timestamp. And when I tried to raise the issue of over-moderation in the same thread, my post was conveniently deleted and a PM was sent to me which said : "Ranting about it in public isn't going to help." He did say sorry but in a way that it felt like he was throwing stones rather then apologizing.

I even gave him the benefit of doubt and tried sympathizing with him but to no avail.

Now coming back to the actual issue, why would you wanna keep the GT section organized. If it would have been a tech section, I would have understood but GT section? Gimme a break! If I have a quick query to make, do you really expect me to search a 400 page thread and then post in it just because it would keep things "organized"? If thats the case, let us make some 10-15 general threads and stick them. One for cricket, one for football, one for movies, one for TV, one for anything political, one for terrorists attacks etc etc etc. Why not just do this? It will keeo the forum really organized.