Forum Feedback Excessive Moderation in General Talk

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I think we should let this topic die down for now. It would be appropriate to open this up if things don't get okay over the next few days.

I think that would be in everybody's interest.

When we know proper feedback has already been given, going on about it again and again isn't going to help.
 
^Has the original issue been addressed? I don't think so. The Mod behavior is a secondary issue, the primary issue at hand is "what are we allowed to post in the GT section?" So far the mods have been supporting the merging of Vij's thread which I am in disagreement of.

IMO, if its legal, we should be allowed to post to our hearts content. If really necessary, the merging can be done but only after the current thread has died.
 
Needless to say, I don't need to reason with my actions.
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btw, I dont think you are allowed to publish contents of PM's.

Bluffy, if the issue is that of merging, then the problem of 'what can be posted' does not arise, does it? Its just a question of where...
 
^That was just a small extract, I have seen the whole conversation being published here in the feedback section. But if its against the rules, I can edit my post. The point was just to bring forth the behavior of the new mod. Apparently, he has run a forum or two, I guess he should know better.

In the end, because it is the GT section, because it is only visible to the members and because the post count is disabled, the choice of where to post a topic/query should be left at the sole discretion of the topic poster. This is what I think.
 
greenhorn said:
and you guys think that's a bad thing? A forum should be an organized collection of information. not a bunch of threads thrown about the whole place. I agree that the search duration could have been lesser, but come on! When somebody is trying to restore some chaos to the whole thing, the least you can do is not whine about it.

Its not like you're not allowed to post stuff, just that you're being asked to post it where it is supposed to. After all, we cant have subforums for everything - that's why we have the sticky threads for different topics in GT.

I for one am with the mods in this thing.This is nowhere near Over Moderation.

I still fail to see why members like "vij" couldn't understand that, in the first place.
This is in spite of offering to clean up the existing thread(which I did) to make it more accommodating for newer queries.

Very fact that he chose to argue and not accept, explains things.
Now the member goes so far as to widely publicize the issue and take a stand.

I leave it at that.
 
If the question is whether to post in an existing sticky thread or create a new thread, why not use the sticky thread ? Even if this is General Talk, this is a community and having all the relevant information in one thread will be more helpful right when someone new searches right? We all know that the forum search isn't the most efficient and I find searching within a thread is easier than sifting through multiple threads, so as I asked wouldn't it be better to keep things to a single thread instead of multiple hit and run threads which disappear once the question has been answered ?
 
Seeing the mod's reply, I vote for him being kicked out of the staff straight away.

I usually dont have any major issue with TE admin/staff and even now, I dont post much, so this over moderation hasnt affected me. I've remained a passive spectator.

But this kind of attitude STINKS. Some of the mods are among my best friends offline as well. But this mod has an attitude which has rarely been seen on this forum.

To the relevant mod, I have nothing personally against you. I've never interacted with you. Take this as honest and frank feedback. If you are open minded enough, you will become a better person over the course of time.
 
bottle said:
If the question is whether to post in an existing sticky thread or create a new thread, why not use the sticky thread ? Even if this is General Talk, this is a community and having all the relevant information in one thread will be more helpful right when someone new searches right? We all know that the forum search isn't the most efficient and I find searching within a thread is easier than sifting through multiple threads, so as I asked wouldn't it be better to keep things to a single thread instead of multiple hit and run threads which disappear once the question has been answered ?

The point here is to satisfy the topic starter and not the potential members who would gain from the info. Isn't that the whole point of making a thread? If I am the topic starter, I would want my thread to have the maximum focus in order for it to attract quick replies. What happens to the thread after my question has been answered is not my concern. You can go and post it on the Indian parliament site for all you want and I would care less but till the time I am not satisfied with the answer, I would not like it to get mixed up with a 400 page thread which many members will totally avoid to read just by looking at the page numbers.

Now, Why is that a problem for the mods? In order to keep the section "organized" which is highly debatable btw, you are willing to leave the members unhappy and unsatisfied? Please help me understand this logic.
 
Isn't that being selfish ? As I said in a community shouldn't a thread be for everyone as whole instead of a few select members having a private chat in a thread ?

Now being GT we are not strict on that matter so theres no restriction on creating new threads but theres no harm in merging threads with same content either.
 
bottle said:
Now being GT we are not strict on that matter so theres no restriction on creating new threads but theres no harm in merging threads with same content either.

You are contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying there is no restriction on creating new threads and on the other hand you go and merge the thread. Does the member even have a say in this?

Isn't that being selfish ? As I said in a community shouldn't a thread be for everyone as whole instead of a few select members having a private chat in a thread ?

Like I said, that is highly debatable. Many members will totally ignore a thread just because it is 400 pages long and the same members will be glad to help if they see a thread asking a straight specific question. As for the new members having the same query, they can always make a new thread or use the search feature.
 
Aladdin said:
I mean for eg, if we have a India-Australia match going on OR India-China war going on, then we can have only ONE result

Heh, let me be the one that would actually commend the mod on that thread. A little edit here & there took the sting out of some posts and saved the thread from being closed. I have not seen this before. Usually all it takes is one or two well trolled posts and you get a lockdown shortly after. I always hate it when that happens because ppl that posted in there for a while get short changed due to the actions of the ignorant few. What the mod did in that thread was something i've always wanted in a hot topic thread where emotions could fly easily.

Hard to call, and experience is the only teacher here.

vij said:
But in a very long generalized thread, if someone posts general stuff a post or two down the line the focus is lost. I have a better chance of sustaining the sub-topic concerned with a new thread.

because....

Aladdin said:
You see, almost every topic has a sub topic within itself, which always leads to different result, Now thats messing up

and will happen with topics that are simlar but not always related.

vij said:
PS: If I were a mod, I would def take extra care while closing threads. Closing a thread is fine. Closing a harmless thread in GT is still fine, but closing a harmless thread in GT with a smug comment or expression causes provocation. There-in a issue is created where none existed. When you close a thread, you are symbolically shutting the door on a member, atleast do it gracefully. Is it too much to ask for?
Please dont get me wrong and please please do note that I am not generalizing.

Also agreed.

There is one feature i think missing on TE which is at the bottom of any thread to have a further list of related threads. Now in an ideal world, that list of related threads would be an accurate history of every thread that was started in the past on the same subject or close enough.

So for example someone starts a thread on something specific, then the more general thread appears in the related threads list. It offers a jump point to a generic parent level but still related.

Small bits here & there are easier to grasp than a novel length thread which ppl tend to switch off past a few pages becuase they feel the direction is not in the way they want only to realise someone could very well have answered the question just a few pages on had they persevered.

I've been on forums where both approaches have been used, i would say the ones which use the one thread work well only for a few subjects maybe, as alladin put it, where there is only one outcome or direction. news on a certain subject for instance. But asking for suggestions for a specific requirement, i don't think falls into this category.

Another example is the 'suggest-me-something' type questions. Would be great if there was a list below where that specific something was asked in the past.

You can't index this with scripts, it takes humans to do it but the result i think would be an even easier to use forum. To which the classic response is -- just use search!

But search sometimes is useless because often thread titles contain typos, this is something I feel the mods SHOULD explicitly edit.
 
I will give you another classic example of why such threads should not be merged :

A while back, I asked the members to recommend me thriller/mystery movies, only thing is that I asked this the Last Movie seen thread. I got some 5-6 responses at best and then the discussion drifted away in a different direction.

Now recently, someone again had that query and asked for suggestions on "movies that left you stumped". Only this time he made a separate thread for it. The result was more then 100 constructive replies. Now that thread might have been lost amongst other threads but it atleast helped the members who were lucky enough to browse through it then.

The thing is, you cannot make every thread a sticky. There will always be topics which have been discussed before and unless and until a better search feature is implemented, I see no harm in discussing those topics again.
 
my 3 paisa .. i agree with bluffy , its a OT section , let us have some fun , what harm is it doing to others
 
On another note, I think it would be a good idea to have a sticky chit-chat thread as in most other forums for discussing things that aren't threadworthy yet interesting, posting random links, photos, forwards etc. That should clear up a lot of threads that keep popping up daily and sink after a couple of days.

And that bodybuilding thread needs to be unstickied... :P
 
^^ You are against everything that the OP is trying to prove, what if the chit-chat is marginally different from the stickied thread, that warrants a new thread :) And I agree with the un-sticking with the body building thread too, if the activity is lowered in the next few days, it will be un-stickied.

In the end, we would not like to over-moderate the GT section, if you guys think the sticky thread is a bad idea, then be it. We were of the opinion, it makes indexing/searching much more easier, believe it or not there are many other people having the same query, and we thought a central thread will just make things easier.

But dont expect the same in tech sections, logical discussions will go in the thread they were meant to be, and threads will be renamed, to make search easier.
 
The point is to not enforce it but rather to facilitate it.

If someone feels the need to make a new thread related to for some reason then it should as you said there is no need to overmoderate; If there isn't much discussion then it will drop off the first page anyway.

I feel that general talk is more for socializing and fun rather than acting as a resource for reference.

I'd say the basics like slurs, insults etc are the only things needing moderation in GT. Making the distinction between what needs to be closed/merged or what post is relevant can make some decisions seem arbitrary and too much of it leads to what we are seeing now.
 
^^ I think you have summed it up nicely, and I guess thats how we will try to let the GT section be. Too bad cant rep in the feedback section :(
 
So are we all friends now? :)

[Largely OT] On the topic on merging threads, can a mod please merge the innumerable threads about 32" LCDs? :P [/Largely OT]
 
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