Market Feedback Exercise caution when dealing with BoRNTeRRI3T!

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Gannu

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Dear members,

After receiving the several inputs from some of the helpful members of the forum, it has come to our notice that the fraudulent member kishan_razor has registered under the duplicate ID BoRNTeRRI3T and was performing several deals on the Market section, some of them being successful trades.

Many of you may be aware of the ongoing negative feedbacks and reviews against kishan_razor which can be read here - http://www.techenclave.com/market-feedback/market-deal-not-completed-techenclave-indian-180706.html

Please exercise extra caution when dealing with the member in question and ensure that you do not fall prey to cheap tactics as has been posted by the members in the thread above!

We have arrived on this conclusion based on the several details from both the IDs and have found matching details from both the IDs.

Jai bharat

H.D.F.C. BANK LTD.

SAVINGS ACCOUNT 0642xxxxxx2293

SRNAGARHYDERABAD, HYDERABAD

Bank: ICICI BANK

Name: Krishan Kumar

acct no. 0244xxxx6290

brank - a.s.rao nagar, hyderabad

phone no: 09959615066

Name : Indu Venkatesh

AC No :0040xxxx4790

Bank : ICICI

Branch : Hyderabad-Indian School Of Business-Extn.

RAVI kumar

creative nagar plot no.12, A.s.rao nagar

water tank road

secunderabad-(500062)

Andhra pradesh

ph no. 09951177111

RAVi kumar

KITEMARK MARKETING PVT LTD

#46 & 47, MINERVA COMPLEX S.D.ROAD,

SECUNDERABAD -(500003.)

PH NO: 040-66141415,16,17,18,19

ph no.- 09849154280
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BoRNTeRRI3T shall be banned from the forum in due time. Kindly be aware of the ongoing market deals on the forum and cross-check the seller/buyer's ID thoroughly before committing for any deal. As always, TE shall not be held responsible for any misdeeds that may happen/have happened.

Moreover, please keep a tab on this thread for the list of blacklisted/banned members who have committed fraudulent deals in the past - List of fraudulent members - Please check before dealing !

Once again, TE would like to thank all the members who had helped us in this feat. We wouldn't want to take up the specific IDs here but you guys know who you are! :D
 
@Mods and Admin -

Cant you ban his ip address only ?

This is only the least we can do as he may also change his ip address and login :(

Or we can do 1 thing - Every seller and buyer should give their id proof e.g license to the admin as security [we all can trust the admin right,he wont misuse them]

Sorry if its a very bad thought, i am just too upset to read such types of thread now and then :(
 
wtf he was suppos to sell you the 560ti he said hes gonna sell it to me.was already having doubts if to deal here but seeing the itrust scores thought he is a genuine dealer.guys now how do i know who is a genuine dealer and who is not???????????

Or we can do 1 thing - Every seller and buyer should give their id proof e.g license to the admin as security [we all can trust the admin right,he wont misuse them]

^^^2nd that or say keep a mod an an intermidiate for dealing

mod just wanted to know why system like this could not be put in place as it would just make the forum more awesome as it would reduce the chances of fraud to some extent
 
swastikrj said:
@Mods and Admin -

Or we can do 1 thing - Every seller and buyer should give their id proof e.g license to the admin as security [we all can trust the admin right,he wont misuse them]

Sorry if its a very bad thought, i am just too upset to read such types of thread now and then :(
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That's a good idea. Can verify date and TE ID on a paper along with it for authenticity too.
 
People who need to deal in the market should update their ID proof and address proof to mods and I think this should reduce the scams to .1%.
 
An IP ban won't work since (almost) everyone is on a dynamic IP.

Asking Admins/Mods to verify everyone's ID proof is obviously not feasible.

But you can always directly ask the person you're trading with to share some ID proof. Or you can choose to deal only with people you know. Or you can just avoid the market altogether if you're not comfortable dealing.
 
Wow what a rip-off:no: But i am not so sure that the dude will stay away.. he will just open another id and sell more stuff.. They should be publicly castrated!!

I dont understand why he just cant tell the truth and be done with.. if there is no bill then he can tell the buyer i have no bill... why lie again and again??
 
Well openly saying this not as criticism but as feedback.
You should have stricter norms to posting sale threads on TE and watchful mods. These things can be greatly curbed. However fool proofing is not really in the hands of the staff.
The buyers should be equally cautious.
 
this is the address i got for a previous deal.

just putting it on RED ALERT

RAVi kumar

KITEMARK MARKETING PVT LTD

#46 & 47, MINERVA COMPLEX S.D.ROAD,

SECUNDERABAD -(500003.)

PH NO: 040-66141415,16,17,18,19

ph no.- 09849154280

 
The buyers should be equally cautious.

how exactly???????????

when the guy has good itrade rating how can someone know he is a fraud
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
An IP ban won't work since (almost) everyone is on a dynamic IP.

Asking Admins/Mods to verify everyone's ID proof is obviously not feasible.
But you can always directly ask the person you're trading with to share some ID proof. Or you can choose to deal only with people you know. Or you can just avoid the market altogether if you're not comfortable dealing.
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I agree with you that if not comfortable then leave the deal, but i see more of sale threads than tech threads coming up and i dont want this but i think atleast 30% of them log into TE for FS threads

Now to protect the loyal TE members from such frauds we need to do something [We members dont deal for profit but only to help someone and also we are also helped by selling products here which may not be possible in local market]

I always ask for a ID proof from the opposite person - This is a recommended thing for all to do

But asking all the sellers and buyers to give their ID proof to the admin would just make it more secure for future reference :)

And just make an announcement that members should not deal with other members who havent submitted ID proof

Note :- Sorry if someone feels that i am disturbing their privacy by asking for ID proof but this will make things more secure for all of us :)
 
^ i completely agree with swastik

the market section is not to make a profit, but it it in fact a mutually beneficial area. submitting id proof will make it more secure. otherwise, mods can make it mandatory to provide a photo shot of some id proof (with adress/number blocked out) so as to make dealings more secure :)
 
moksh4u2 said:
^ i completely agree with swastik

the market section is not to make a profit, but it it in fact a mutually beneficial area. submitting id proof will make it more secure. otherwise, mods can make it mandatory to provide a photo shot of some id proof (with adress/number blocked out) so as to make dealings more secure :)
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I am not suggesting to make a ID proof picture mandatory in sale threads - that can be personally solved between the seller and buyer

Only suggesting an extra measure to submit ID proof to the admin as a security purpose if something goes wrong in the future

Every member who has submitted an ID proof shall have something such as a coloured dot or something else besides his itrust rating which indicates that he has submitted ID proof :)

I know this is a time consuming process but i can help you in any way you want :)
 
you have all the addresses and account numbers, i say file a case against the bugger and let that be an example.
 
@gannu i was cheated by person who has 26 deals.. who hasn't put cpu id screens and no bill images as well why thre isn't any mod alert buyer :( that it's necessary to check all in working condition ?

and i had deal with kishan a lot of time and also i recently bought a UCP 900W (Cond : NEW) @ unbelivable rate and he clearlly mention thre is no warrenty and bill as well so when one want

cheap and good deal always look forward to him and he clearly mention what he giving and not

i don't know why all r opposite him and @ gannu why my post deleted in first thread of regarding kishan and last time in deal of arun is not agree to refund me untill i post chat log between arun and kishan :D

and guyz give me latest problem if anyone faced during the deal with kishan :)

and i m always look forward to deal with him
 
swastikrj said:
I am not suggesting to make a ID proof picture mandatory in sale threads - that can be personally solved between the seller and buyer

Only suggesting an extra measure to submit ID proof to the admin as a security purpose if something goes wrong in the future

Every member who has submitted an ID proof shall have something such as a coloured dot or something else besides his itrust rating which indicates that he has submitted ID proof :)

I know this is a time consuming process but i can help you in any way you want :)
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The inherent problem with that approach is verification. Putting a color dot and all is fine and dandy, but that dot means that you have verified who he is. Once you do get the ID proof, how do you go about verifying that he is really who he claims to be?

When I was at my previous company, a guy posing to be an SBI Credit Card marketing agent collected ID and address Proof's from a lot employees and used them for his own fraudulent activities. As It turned out, he was indeed an SBI employee, but he was not an agent and he was not authorized to be there collecting ID Proof documents form the employees. Guess how many ID proof's he has access to? How much more easy it would be to impersonate with some else's ID documents on internet?

For important documents like passport, the govt does verification via the police inquiry and it still quite often proved to be inadequate. When I was in Chandigarh, the police caught a Paki spy there. He was living in Delhi and Chandigarh for over 3 years and he has a legitimate Indian passport and a PAN card. They were not fake/forged and issued by the respective govt offices. Who do you think the blame for that would rest on?
 
Lord Nemesis said:
The inherent problem with that approach is verification. Putting a color dot and all is fine and dandy, but that dot means that you have verified who he is. Once you do get the ID proof, how do you go about verifying that he is really who he claims to be?

When I was at my previous company, a guy posing to be an SBI Credit Card marketing agent collected ID and address Proof's from a lot employees and used them for his own fraudulent activities. As It turned out, he was indeed an SBI employee, but he was not an agent and he was not authorized to be there collecting ID Proof documents form the employees. Guess how many ID proof's he has access to? How much more easy it would be to impersonate with some else's ID documents on internet?

For important documents like passport, the govt does verification via the police inquiry and it still quite often proved to be inadequate. When I was in Chandigarh, the police caught a Paki spy there. He was living in Delhi and Chandigarh for over 3 years and he has a legitimate Indian passport and a PAN card. They were not fake/forged and issued by the respective govt offices. Who do you think the blame for that would rest on?
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Totally agree with you that we cant be 100% sure that the person is really himself who has submitted the ID but we can atleast implement this measure or some other measure which is more worthy ?

The thing i suggested may bring the percentage of frauds down

And we all are giving ID proof to the admin who can be trusted by all [ if not admin then we can have a vote and select the person :) ]

For a moment i also thought that giving personal ID proofs would be impractical but then as we deal personally we do ask for ID proof then why not give to the admin also ?

Regarding the fake passport and pan card i dont have such experiences yet but i think it is a output of total corruption and bribe
 
^^ I guess you didn't get the point I was trying to make.

Lets say that the Admin or you yourself take charge of getting ID Proofs from the members and put a colored dot in the members post header. For anyone seeing that dot, it would mean that the user has provided ID proof to you which you have checked and marked the user as a user whose identity is verified. Essentially you/Admin are vouching for the members identity with that dot.

If someone deals with that guy and the guy turns out to be a fraudster who had produced a fake id, Who would the victim hold liable. Surely the person who vouched would be held liable in addition to the culprit. Would you or the Admin be willing to take that sort of liability? If you don't want to take liability, then there is no point in all that exercise, because there is no way a user would give any sort of importance to that dot if the person who put it there is not willing to take responsibility.
 
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