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I don't see why anyone is comparing this to reps.
Fundamentally your reputation is carried throughout the forum. Your likes are NOT. They are limited to a post in a thread and ideally are meant to quickly sift through the most "liked" posts. Apart from the profiles, we don't even show your likes anywhere. Where is the comparison?
Coming to the argument that its going to effect other members judgement. Exactly how is that? Lets get this straight. All that it shows now is "how many and who" liked a post. So if 10 persons did like a post, i guess it must have something to be liked. In a 100 page thread, i would want to read such posts just to see what they were to get so many likes. As i said, it should help one find good content.
Anything and everything can be abused. Am sorry, i don't buy the argument that this is more susceptible to abuse. Frankly this system is not even forumwide or gives any person any extra satisfaction as compared to a rep system. Reps have been abused in the past too. And as long as Darthcoder sticks to this thread alone to show how much he likes the community, i don't think you should use this thread as an anchor to make a inductive judgement.
On the other hand, the person who gets a like, and i hope that this tendency of liking each and everything will end in a day or two, actually goes back to read what was liked. Its a system of instant appreciation. ANd unlike reps, it is trivial enough to not strictly govern.
And finally i understand that you guys are annoyed at reps in general. For any forum that is 6 years+ old reps lose meaning over time as the graphical measure of progress in rep bars is lost. Its true for every other forum i seen. As far as decay of reps over time goes, i really have no problem implementing that if you are fine with it. But are you? As far as mods only repping goes, I doubt how people in the community will react over time. A feature should be accessible to all. Maybe the weightages could be different (as is the case with the default rep system)
Fundamentally your reputation is carried throughout the forum. Your likes are NOT. They are limited to a post in a thread and ideally are meant to quickly sift through the most "liked" posts. Apart from the profiles, we don't even show your likes anywhere. Where is the comparison?
Coming to the argument that its going to effect other members judgement. Exactly how is that? Lets get this straight. All that it shows now is "how many and who" liked a post. So if 10 persons did like a post, i guess it must have something to be liked. In a 100 page thread, i would want to read such posts just to see what they were to get so many likes. As i said, it should help one find good content.
Anything and everything can be abused. Am sorry, i don't buy the argument that this is more susceptible to abuse. Frankly this system is not even forumwide or gives any person any extra satisfaction as compared to a rep system. Reps have been abused in the past too. And as long as Darthcoder sticks to this thread alone to show how much he likes the community, i don't think you should use this thread as an anchor to make a inductive judgement.
On the other hand, the person who gets a like, and i hope that this tendency of liking each and everything will end in a day or two, actually goes back to read what was liked. Its a system of instant appreciation. ANd unlike reps, it is trivial enough to not strictly govern.
And finally i understand that you guys are annoyed at reps in general. For any forum that is 6 years+ old reps lose meaning over time as the graphical measure of progress in rep bars is lost. Its true for every other forum i seen. As far as decay of reps over time goes, i really have no problem implementing that if you are fine with it. But are you? As far as mods only repping goes, I doubt how people in the community will react over time. A feature should be accessible to all. Maybe the weightages could be different (as is the case with the default rep system)
Agreed.
-Reps should not be compared to likes. Different system altogether.
-Keep the like counter but make it a lil less prominent and remove the "who liked" list .. knowing that is of no use at all. Just having a like counter should be enough to justify a good post.
-Rename the feature to avoid comparison to the facebook feature ..
-Reps gradually do become trivial overtime as member himself earns an actual reputation by his contributions .. Good or Bad ..
-Mod regulated reps will be definetly questioned, unless we act to rid ourselves of the rep-greed.
-Reps should not be compared to likes. Different system altogether.
-Keep the like counter but make it a lil less prominent and remove the "who liked" list .. knowing that is of no use at all. Just having a like counter should be enough to justify a good post.
-Rename the feature to avoid comparison to the facebook feature ..
-Reps gradually do become trivial overtime as member himself earns an actual reputation by his contributions .. Good or Bad ..
-Mod regulated reps will be definetly questioned, unless we act to rid ourselves of the rep-greed.
The site is wonderful, why the reformism?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that. Personally, don't like the like buttons(irony). Think they are a bit childish and don't serve any sort of purpose whatsoever. If people wanted to use facebook, they would log onto facebook, not techenclave. When people are thankful to others for help or whatever reasons, it doesn't harm to spell out thanks. Only takes about 3 seconds if you are really slow with the keyboard. As for liking or disliking posts, it doesn't really matter who does and who doesn't. People will always agree or disagree with opinion because they are just that - opinions.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that. Personally, don't like the like buttons(irony). Think they are a bit childish and don't serve any sort of purpose whatsoever. If people wanted to use facebook, they would log onto facebook, not techenclave. When people are thankful to others for help or whatever reasons, it doesn't harm to spell out thanks. Only takes about 3 seconds if you are really slow with the keyboard. As for liking or disliking posts, it doesn't really matter who does and who doesn't. People will always agree or disagree with opinion because they are just that - opinions.
TheBellJar said:
No thats the thing, we discourage people randomly posting one liners like '+1, agree,' etc etc.
This is a neater way to give approval to a post that echoes your opinions.
Then why not to use a direct Thanks button....Crazy_Eddy said:
And if a post is not tagged "likes" Does it mean it was disliked....?
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whatsinaname
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TheBellJar said:
A lot of posts in threads in TE are things that have been said earlier in the thread. This gives an outlet to the 'me too' posts without cluttering up the threads. I think the like button in a forum is bit different from a like button on a social networking site. It gives an indication of how popular an opinion is, without distracting too much from the issue being discussed.
And more importantly, it might start a trend of people 'liking' show-off posts instead of giving reps for show-offs.
like button is to replace '+1'
im not sure if the more liked posts would show up higher in search results but if they do then it would serve a big purpose.
If that is not a sort of purpose then i dont know what is.
Thanking is good, only that when it is done as a post then it seems childish and doesn't serve any sort of purpose in the 'topic' that is being discussed... You can also PM to thank.
im not sure if the more liked posts would show up higher in search results but if they do then it would serve a big purpose.
it is just like a rating system for posts, just that you know who rated them and then use that information to come at a better conclusion.TheBellJar said:
If that is not a sort of purpose then i dont know what is.
Thanking is good, only that when it is done as a post then it seems childish and doesn't serve any sort of purpose in the 'topic' that is being discussed... You can also PM to thank.
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It's a god damn technology forum, not a dating site. Like someone here suggested, if you have to do this, just put a thanks button instead of like. Serves the purpose.
Well, a forum is for opinions. They are going to be divergent. For example, if someone posts something positive about an Apple product, all the Apple worshipers are going to jump overboard making it the most loved opinion on TE. This hinders the actual purpose of the website, i.e. to encourage arguments between technologies and products so that the users can come to an informed decision on what to buy.
Whether you like it or not, the popularity of an opinion is going to skew the argument towards one side, for good or for bad. Mutually. Thereby making the whole point of the argument utterly useless.
Superlike .. lame ..
but I would like to add that this here is a forum where we come to share, discuss and debate matters which we are all equally passionate about .. A forum grows only as much as its members do in terms of knowledge they gain and by the contribution they make.
Having a "Like" feature will only subconsciously distract us from the actually commenting and even contributing to a discussion.
If you agree with some one .. let them know you agree with your own words and make your contribution to that discussion as well .. don't just "like" it and move along.
If this "Liking" trend gets out of hand then we will surely turn into a Digg/Reddit .. where a zillion people will engage in a Like/Dislike battle and only a handful will comment. "Liking" is only suitable when you have nothing of meaning to add .. which should not be the case .. everyone has something useful to add.
Lets not turn "Liking" to a psuedo-posting system.
Taking the example of Showoff Threads .. Leash your egos if you just made that thread to impress or show your superiority to fellow members.
There are a lot of useful discussions that go on even in such threads where one gets lots of knowledge and hands on opinion of the latest HW & SW.
So getting likes should not be the focus there.
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There is a difference between 'like' and 'thanks'.TheBellJar said:
If a lot of Apple 'worshipers' are going to jump overboard and make something the most loved opinion on TE, it means that the forum is doing its job and indicating that opinion to the users. And it is doing it well by reducing the 20 posts the Apple 'worshipers' would have added to a single post with 19 likes.
whatsinaname said:
If you did infact read my post, I did distinguish between thanks and like. Hence the suggestion to replace it.
As for the Apple fanatics example, the reason this is a forum is to encourage dialogue. At the risk of sweeping generalizations(that are factually correct), I would not want a 100 likes from Apple fanatics citing the only reason they can ("it's Apple", which is ofcourse the only justification of the pricing of any Apple product) to tilt the argument towards one side and force more people into indulging into Apple whorism without any actual technologically empirical grounds to do so. If there is any solid grounding to support an opinion, do it with a typed out post with an old age human gift called reasoning. It is dying out these days.
whatsinaname
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TheBellJar said:
Ideally, that would be true.
Practically, what do you want?
1) 100 posts saying 'Apple is awesome.'
OR
2) 100 Likes on one post.
(Also, you seem to have a lot of hate for Apple. Calm down, young padawan. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads suffering.)
whatsinaname said:
But that is the thing, there aren't a hundred posts saying "Apple is awesome". People don't bother posting futile nonconstructive things like that. Whereas using the "like" button, they don't have to go through the cumbersome work of actually framing an opinion and backing it.
...and suffering is universal. The first noble truth of Buddha.
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