Fair/Dark skin. Sexual discrimination.

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Okay, firstly I don't mean to offend anyone by writing this.

So, we sexually discriminate between people all the time. For example, without generalising, on an average, women prefer muscular handsome men as opposed to average looking/weak ones, rich/powerful men with some standing in society as opposed to ordinary ones (power is a great aphrodisiac and all that), men with ambition and talent as opposed to the rest.

Men, again on an average, in addition to valuing intellect, value beauty. Many of them, unarguably, enjoy features like large breasts and curvaceous bodies. Men, usually, also discriminate against features like obesity. One can think of many more things based on which we hold one person as more attractive than another.

People, in many instances, also berate and make fun of 'ugliness'.

So, what I want to ask is, when there's already so much sexual selection and discrimination going on, how is it any more wrong to say that you find fair skinned people more attractive, on an average, than dark skinned people or vice-versa ?

If you judge a person's intellect and/or character solely based on physical traits like skin colour, weight etc. (without having any evidence of correlation and without mentioning the specificity of correlation in a particular instance) then that's erroneous thinking. But if you find one physical trait more attractive than the other how can you really assign terms like 'wrong' or 'right' to that feeling? I suppose, in a longer, more explanatory sense, you could. Like assessing why one trait is practically more useful than others (and re-assessing your ideas about what you find attractive vs what you should find attractive).

The thing is, we have this fairness craze in our country. Fairness creams and all that.

Funny thing is, back when I was in school I would find dark people making fun of other dark people for being dark. One of my dark skinned female friends tells me that people in her family say (about her), "Oh, she's a sweet girl, but she's dark." . I can imagine how irritating that must be.

One might argue that physical beauty is purely a matter of aesthetics and has no practical purpose. But look at peacocks and other birds that attract mates based on their beautiful plumage. The purpose of their aesthetic beauty is in itself to attract mates. So, I could, in an analogous manner, think of human physical beauty the same way.

Other than skin colour and all that, I'm generally interested in what makes people physically beautiful. Why some features make people exude sexual feelings while others are non-stimulating while still others are repulsive.

As in the case of most men, I would say, when I look at a physically beautiful chick and I'm attracted to her, I tend to fantasize about her by internally adding the kind of intellectual traits I'd like her to have though this may not be the case in real life. When I look at women that I don't find physically attractive, they may have wonderful characters and intellects and I may be appreciative of those qualities of theirs but they fail to stimulate me the same way in terms of attraction.

What say you guys ?
 
Firstly, that's the way living beings are built. We strive to stay alive, to move our race forward. It is but obvious that we inherently prefer health and looks! That is the result of thousands of years of evolution.

Secondly, never given it much serious thought but for me it generally goes like this- I have a very low tolerance for stupidity. I don't like to engage these people head-on but I generally keep away from them. I will not be a prude and say that looks don't matter for me. But at the same time, intelligence is highly important. I don't necessarily imagine the person having the minimum level of intellect that I desire but I wait to hear them speak and interact.

From a purely physical perspective, I really don't have any preference. Fair skin might be appealing to some, but for me, good looks and intelligence transcend everything else.

We are trained to be stimulated sexually at first sight. We immediately measure people up and decide there and then whether we are attracted or not. I don't think that's abnormal. But, obviously, the more sensible thing would be not to give into this feeling and see whether the person is worth spending time with.
 
From a purely physical perspective, I really don't have any preference. Fair skin might be appealing to some, but for me, good looks and intelligence transcend everything else.

That's a universal feeling.

Some people find some features attractive. But I'm also interested in what it is about certain features that makes them attractive (physically).

Also, physical attractiveness/physically attractive traits aren't extremely individual either. There are preferences which can be seen across the board. Else, beautiful actresses and divas wouldn't survive.

For example, most men (and not all) would agree that (insert a famous beautiful actress/model/woman here) is beautiful. It's that mass appeal that makes these people popular in the first place.

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Also, another thing I wonder is, most men are NOT married to/going to marry a gorgeous woman. But there are and will always be gorgeous women around. So, if these men are to remain 100 % faithful (no sexual flings, no porn either), what outlet do they find for their physical desires? Do they just snub it to save the relationship and be 'moral' ?
 
That's a universal feeling.

Some people find some features attractive. But I'm also interested in what it is about certain features that makes them attractive (physically).

Also, physical attractiveness/physically attractive traits aren't extremely individual either. There are preferences which can be seen across the board. Else, beautiful actresses and divas wouldn't survive.

For example, most men (and not all) would agree that (insert a famous beautiful actress/model/woman here) is beautiful. It's that mass appeal that makes these people popular in the first place.

Do you know how they chose models? Most people believe that models are the ones with the perfect features. Actually, models are chosen because they look different in some manner - long neck, shape of face etc. Of course, they have to have beautiful skin, hair, height and figure.

I also feel that with the advent of photoshop-ing, the definition of beauty is getting distorted. See this for reference -
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You can ignore the pic of the guy :P


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Also, another thing I wonder is, most men are NOT married to/going to marry a gorgeous woman. But there are and will always be gorgeous women around. So, if these men are to remain 100 % faithful (no sexual flings, no porn either), what outlet do they find for their physical desires? Do they just snub it to save the relationship and be 'moral' ?

I think this view is quite short-sighted. Even if you marry a very beautiful woman, there are very bright chances that you will find another woman more attractive. If you give into each temptation you see, you aren't going to last long in any kind of society. Living with/marrying a person is not about getting the best you can, it's about commitment.
 
I think this view is quite short-sighted. Even if you marry a very beautiful woman, there are very bright chances that you will find another woman more attractive. If you give into each temptation you see, you aren't going to last long in any kind of society. Living with/marrying a person is not about getting the best you can, it's about commitment.

Nope. There is a threshold level of attractiveness. If you're with a very beautiful woman, you might find another woman more attractive, but you'll probably be satisfied enough with your woman to not want to change her.

Commitment starts to wear thin when you're not satisfied enough with your partner.

Living with/marrying a person is not about getting the best you can, but it is about getting at least as much as you need. And needs vary from person to person.

You might ask why you would marry someone who doesn't satisfy your needs but, at the end of the day, people do.
 
Nope. There is a threshold level of attractiveness. If you're with a very beautiful woman, you might find another woman more attractive, but you'll probably be satisfied enough with your woman to not want to change her.

Commitment starts to wear thin when you're not satisfied enough with your partner.

Living with/marrying a person is not about getting the best you can, but it is about getting at least as much as you need. And needs vary from person to person.

You might ask why you would marry someone who doesn't satisfy your needs but, at the end of the day, people do.

One might ask the same thing about any thing you commit to. It may be regular exercise, a healthy diet. That's why the word commitment is created.

If you are not satisfied with your partner after a certain period, and we are talking purely about looks (assuming you were once upon a time), it's you who has issues.

And FYI, there is no threshold level of attractiveness. That's one of the most ridiculous things I have heard! If that were so, we would not have seen actors/actresses/models/sportsmen/sportswomen getting divorces all the time. :P

Coming back to your point- Let's say everything remains the same. 10 years earlier, you found your partner attractive enough to commit to marriage. Today, age and responsibilities have taken a toll on both of you. Now, your partner still cares about you and the family, has the same temperament as before and still loves the same things that she did earlier. If today you think "I need to find someone else because she is not that attractive any more", then you have to take a deep look at yourself.

However, if you were forced into the whole thing from the beginning, then it might be a different story altogether. Again, this is not always true.

One thing to remember is that we, human beings, are a very poor judge of what we really want to satisfy ourselves. I've seen deeply devoted couples (7+ years) get a divorce 1 year after marriage and couples in arranged marriages (having never met before) having the time of their life.

Like I mentioned earlier, you are being extremely short-sighted about the whole scenario. Couples don't love or leave each other only because of looks! There are hundreds of different reasons for that.
 
One might ask the same thing about any thing you commit to. It may be regular exercise, a healthy diet. That's why the word commitment is created.

If you are not satisfied with your partner after a certain period, and we are talking purely about looks (assuming you were once upon a time), it's you who has issues.

And FYI, there is no threshold level of attractiveness. That's one of the most ridiculous things I have heard! If that were so, we would not have seen actors/actresses/models/sportsmen/sportswomen getting divorces all the time. :P

Coming back to your point- Let's say everything remains the same. 10 years earlier, you found your partner attractive enough to commit to marriage. Today, age and responsibilities have taken a toll on both of you. Now, your partner still cares about you and the family, has the same temperament as before and still loves the same things that she did earlier. If today you think I need to find someone else, then you have to a deep look at yourself.

However, if you were forced into the whole thing from the beginning, that's a different story altogether.

One thing to remember is that we, human beings, are a very poor judge of what we really want to satisfy ourselves. I've seen deeply devoted couples (7+ years) get a divorce 1 year after marriage and couples in arranged marriages (having never met before) having the time of their life.

Like I mentioned earlier, you are being extremely short-sighted about the whole scenario. Couples don't love or leave each other only because of looks! There are hundreds of different reasons for that.

No. I agree that looks are just one part of the whole thing. It just happens that I'm focusing on them in particular. Doesn't mean I don't realise the importance of other factors.

Also, attractive people getting divorces has nothing really to do with your intrinsic idea of what a chick you'd want to do it with and possibly spend a long time of your life with would have to look like at least (which is what I meant by 'threshold level of attractiveness', not some objective quantifiable parameter). And that's obvious because when you're in a relationship you're not going to have sex all the time. There are normal everyday things to deal with and you have to have some sort of an intellectual understanding to go through life.

Also, as people grow old and have lots of responsibilities and the body wears out, sex isn't likely to be the top priority always. So, I'm not talking about it in that sense at all (although even in this situation some people have flings and crap).
 
No. I agree that looks are just one part of the whole thing. It just happens that I'm focusing on them in particular. Doesn't mean I don't realise the importance of other factors.

Also, attractive people getting divorces has nothing really to do with your intrinsic idea of what a chick you'd want to do it with and possibly spend a long time of your life with would have to look like at least (which is what I meant by 'threshold level of attractiveness', not some objective quantifiable parameter). And that's obvious because when you're in a relationship you're not going to have sex all the time. There are normal everyday things to deal with and you have to have some sort of an intellectual understanding to go through life.

Also, as people grow old and have lots of responsibilities and the body wears out, sex isn't likely to be the top priority always. So, I'm not talking about it in that sense at all (although even in this situation some people have flings and crap).

That is precisely why I now think that you should stop obsessing with it. :) There are other bigger things in life which you'll be missing out if you keep focusing so hard on this.
 
its all age , in your 20s you look at the body ,30s u start appreciating the personality :D

i was shallow hal too!
 
Not all fair skinned girls are beautiful and not all dark skinned girls are ugly.
Just saying.
 
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