Flash will kill Blu-ray and HD DVD

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IN A RUN UP to the next generation console war between Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, Bill Gates said that HD-DVD and Blu-ray are not important, since they represent the last generation of optical media anyway. While many people overlooked the statement, that's pretty much right on target.

With all DRM tech integrated inside Windows Vista, HD-DVD and Blu-ray, companies are forgetting one small thing. Not all consumers are idiots, although many of the companies would like that. While Joe Sixpack may be the ideal guy to ditch around and tell him to spend his money on something he'll rarely use, that may be the case with $10, not with something that costs $1,000 or more.

So, what technology is going to win the optical standards war? The answer is flash memory. If you're asking yourself why, the answer is fairly simple and that's ease of use, plus a continuously falling price and sky high capacity.

Sandisk launched a device which could, single-handedly, whack all optical media in the next five to six years. The concept is fairly simple. You place the device between standard definition source without HD support, and a TV, and it will pull the content onto a flash card, so that you can play the video on your mobile gizmo.

And this is only the beginning. We have talked to several industry analysts about the trends, and it seems that consumers are willing to sacrifice quality for mobility, as we see now in the notebook segment. Desktops are better, and they offer far greater performance and reliability, but notebooks sell like hot cakes. If Hollywood does not wake up and smell the coffee, it will be too late. And Charlie will be happy. µ
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Flash will kill Blu-ray and HD DVD
 
They are gonna co-exist ... you cant neglect the quality for mobility.
what do u think people bought those huge 42" screens for :P
 
Flash won't kill ****. That's just Gates panicking out because of BluRay spike over HD-DVD. Bluray and HD-DVD and DVD will continue being the commercial format for movies and games for a lot of time to come. Flash certainly is not replacing all the disk players sitting right now at home and the stores with dvds.

It needs to build its hype now and promote ideas for how how movies are going to sell on it if it wants to have any chance of taking on after Bluray/HDdvd generation is over.

And this needs to be in the Storage Solutions section ;)
 
Well, if the Size is around the same of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD disc's i.e. 50GB, then I dont see why you will loose any quality?

A Similar sized High Definiation AVI can be put on the Flash drive :S.
 
Hey since this involved Xbox 360 and PS3 wars i thought it will be appropriate if i post it here.

I think I will go with aditya if a flshdrive can hold 50gb then there is no pin tin going for HDDVD or blu ray disk.
 
err.. you can buy a disk which holds 50GB for say Rs. 30 in future but flash drives!! where (for that price) and how many will you get.
 
wouldnt there be too much garbage then with flash drives being sold like cds/dvds...

i think it would be more like stuff would be available for downloading online (offcourse after u pay for em :bleh:) and then maybe transfered on to a flashdrive... so u get to take ur data anywhere and everywhere u want... so u get to maintain the quality and also mobility.. :D...
 
I believe internet will replace them all.With broadband becoming a common feature in many developed countries,people would prefer to buy online rather than go to the shops and buy those stupid HD or blue ray discs!!! Movies or even games sold online will be cheaper than those that can be bought from the market.Already itunes music download service is a hit.It's only obvious that in future games and movies will be sold online rather than through shops.



Consider this.....you can buy high def. contents online and then either watch them on your computer, tvs or PMPs...that would be great.
 
Current flash drives are limited to USB speeds. Keep that in mind. If you get interface compatible with IDE or even SATA it will be freakin fast. Way faster than any optical media. And easily reusable.

params7 said:
Flash won't kill ****. That's just Gates panicking out because of BluRay spike over HD-DVD. Bluray and HD-DVD and DVD will continue being the commercial format for movies and games for a lot of time to come. Flash certainly is not replacing all the disk players sitting right now at home and the stores with dvds.

It needs to build its hype now and promote ideas for how how movies are going to sell on it if it wants to have any chance of taking on after Bluray/HDdvd generation is over.

And this needs to be in the Storage Solutions section ;)
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Wtf is wrong with you? :P

Gates quoted this like more than year ago and not now. when Xbox360 just came out and PS3 was nowhere in sight. Dont make everything PS3 related dude.

Optical media is clearly not future. Blue Ray and HD DVD may last for 5 more years. It will be too slow media in a very short time.
 
If he made this statement a year ago its drains this statement of any credibility it could preserve, and on which the article is based on.

And you just made it Ps3 related, I was talking about Bluray vs HD-DVD which has a lot to do with this article.
 
Thats why you should actually read the damn thing that is posted and then comment :P

This is what he quoted.

It's not the physical format that we have the issue with, it's that the protection scheme on Blu is very anti-consumer. If [the Blu-ray group] would fix that one thing, you know, that'd be fine.

For us it's not the physical format. Understand that this is the last physical format there will ever be. Everything's going to be streamed directly or on a hard disk. So, in this way, it's even unclear how much this one counts.
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The Daily Princetonian - A conversation with Bill Gates
 
Supporters of optical media (only two here I think), do you know of the theoretical advantage of flash over DVD type media?

Ever heard of the permanence of solid state memory (theoretical)?

The dyes in DVDs will break down, They get scratched like hell.

Flash doesn't have that if all you do is read from it (yes there is a limitation to the number of times you can write to it).

I any case, DVD like media are really not convenient. They are too big (once upon a time there were 5.25" floppies, then we replaced 'em with 3.5" floppies, then we replaced them with larger CDs which keep on getting scratched).
 
Frankly speaking Flash is getting smaller, denser and faster and soon it'll be in the realm of disposable discs as optical media is. Someone said that flash is slower than optical disk. Dude wake up :P. If you buy the right flash media, you can get 20+MB/s sustained read and write... Infact I have such a 133X CF drive sitting in my camera. Granted its expensive as of now but the prices of flash media have been falling to ridiculous levels of late. Optical media has issues with write quality and degrade with time. There are no such issues with solid state memory. Not only that, there's a chance that flash might replace hard drives. If anyone checked the CES reports, there was a 32GB flash based hard drive on display and the access times using that was a few orders of magnitude faster than hard drives. Flash is the future... both for optical and disk media. I'm gonna grab a flash based hard drive the moment it launches in the market.
 
I'm not against Flash, just saying it has no chance of actually replacing the role of optical disks in carrying movies now. Bluray and hddvd are here to stay. Flash can fight for the carrier after that.
 
Which is also what Gates said. He said that they would be here this generation (NOW) but not later.

CD/DVD type media have had a longer run than any other media, it is time for a change.

Holographic memory is always on the verge of production, but it never seems to actually happen. Flash memory is the only other storage medium that can fit the bill.

Basically, they are going to move to some medium which doesn't involve moving parts in the read/write mechanism.
 
In the long run who comes out on top i.e. hd-dvd or BR is hardly going to matter cause like someone said in this thread before, all content is going to be downloaded through the internet. It's only a matter of time before people start downloading their movies rather than going out and buying it off-shelf. So BR and HD-DVD formats will be at best reduced to backup media. If flash gets ridiculously cheap it can very well replace them too. They are a lot of advantages to using flash over an optical disk.
 
Lets hope the downloading part there doesn't pick up to soon, because if it does, and it screws Bluray/hddvd (which i'm 100% sure, it won't really, consumers aren't ready to shift away from the traditional style of buying disks and watching it in a player thing yet), people on Indian ISP's will be ****ed.
 
Well, rest assured people here always come up with their ways :P
You know what i mean.
And even now I agree the trend is to buy the disks but unfortunately its from the roadside for 50 bucks here in India.
People watch those sad quality DVDs and CDs rather than go out and rent or buy DVD here.
So noone needs to worry about state of things in India ;)
And our great indian culture is good at circulating stuff :P
1 person downloads and 10 people gets it hehe.
 
params7 said:
Lets hope the downloading part there doesn't pick up to soon, because if it does, and it screws Bluray/hddvd (which i'm 100% sure, it won't really, consumers aren't ready to shift away from the traditional style of buying disks and watching it in a player thing yet), people on Indian ISP's will be ****ed.
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I know what you are thinking but in the big scheme of things india or rather 3rd world countries hardly matter.
 
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