Graphic Cards GTX 465 is out, its hot, power hungry, expensive in short its a Fermi Again

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Entire Review->Techtree.com India > Reviews > Peripherals > Graphics Accelerators > Zotac GTX465

We aren't sure about others yet, but ZOTAC is going to price this standard edition of the GTX465 at approx Rs. 18,000. It's a bit expensive but then again it's a new card, so a slightly inflated price at the beginning is expected.

Now let's talk of the Nvidia GTX465 in general. Should you hold out for this card or simply get the ATI HD5850 which by the way can be found for roughly Rs.16,000. I would say ATI's offering looks like a better all round deal. Performance wise both are evenly matched with the GTX465 winning in some games, while ATI takes the other games. At lower resolutions, the GTX465 seems to have the upper hand but again this isn't true for all games while at full HD resolutions, it's the HD5850 which seems to have the edge and that's what counts really. You're not going to sink in this kind of money to game at 1280x1024, it's understood that you'll be gaming at anything more than that. For the lower resolutions we have cheaper cards like the HD5770 that'll easily satisfy you.

Even if the board partners decide to drop the prices down to HD5850 levels, there's still that little worry about heat and power consumption. Make no mistake; you're goanna need at least a 500WPSU from a reputed brand to comfortable run the GTX465, so that's another investment.

Looking at ZOTAC's offering, the card is built well, looks good and comes with a decent bundle. It performs well and gives tough competition to the HD5850, and has a slight advantage in Tessellation that is hopefully going to be used a lot more in upcoming games. Their Firestorm software although basic, lets you easily overclock the card (we will be adding our experience with this shortly) and it comes with all versions, so it's not limited to OC versions. Even though this card ran really hot when loaded, it would be nice to see ZOTAC develop their own cooler or at least use a third party cooler to make things bearable. Along with all this you also get bonus features that come with all Nvidia cards like PhysX, CUDA, 3D Vision/Surround, etc.

We tested this card with the Beta drivers, so with more optimized drivers we may be able get a little more out of this card. I still don't see how Nvidia can fix the heat and power consumption problem though other than shrinking the die. Currently these are the two things holding anyone back from getting a Fermi card, so Nvidia really needs to get their act together and fix this.
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Some more links

Legitreviews->EVGA and Galaxy GeForce GTX 465 SLI Video Card Review - The NVIDIA Geforce GTX 465 - Legit Reviews
Tomshardware->Nvidia GeForce GTX 465 1 GB Review: Zotac Puts Fermi On A Diet : Introduction
Guru3d does SLI -> GeForce GTX 465 SLI review
Anandtech->http://www.anandtech.com/

Anandtech Conclusion[
We opened this article stating that the “sweet spot” for NVIDIA was 93%. The GeForce GTX 465 is 93% of the price of the average Radeon HD 5850, so NVIDIA would want to deliver at least 93% of the performance. All told they come very close to this at 1920 and 1680, coming within 89% and 93% of a Radeon HD 5850 respectively, showcasing just how good of a job NVIDIA is doing positioning their cards as of late.

Unless you’re going to be gaming with a 30” LCD, NVIDIA has done an appropriate job of pricing the GTX 465 on a pure performance basis. For $280 you can have a GTX 465, or for 8% more you can have a card that performs 8% faster (the 5850). If that’s all you care about, stop here and figure out how much you wish to spend and you’ll be able to figure out which card you want.

However if we continue on, there’s an ugly truth to face: the GTX 465 delivers the GTX 470’s power and noise characteristics, but not the GTX 470’s performance. This is a critical difference because while we could make a case for the GTX 470 versus the 5850 based on the former’s superior performance, now we’re looking at a card that is slower than a 5850 but worse in every basic metric except price. The GTX 465 is much louder and much more power hungry than the Radeon 5850 all while being slower – and all you save is $20.

At this point it’s impossible to recommend the GeForce GTX 465 for the average buyer. The extra $20 for a Radeon HD 5850 will buy a card that is cooler, quieter, and appropriately faster. Unless you’re on an edge case and need to be in the NVIDIA ecosystem for a specific reason such as CUDA, 3D Vision, or DX10/11 transparency anti-aliasing (more on this later this week), a 5850 is going to be the better card. NVIDIA is going to have to drive the feature difference between the GeForce GTX 400 series and the Radeon HD 5000 series to sell the GTX 465, as performance won’t do it.

Meanwhile on a broader horizon, we noticed something interesting about the GTX 465: it’s really, really close to the GTX 285. In terms of gaming performance the difference is under 4%, while temperatures, power consumption, and even noise were all very close to NVIDIA’s last-generation king. Whether it was intentional or not, the GTX 465 feels like a GTX 285 with DirectX11. At nearly 2 years old the GTX 285’s place in the world has been well established in most enthusiasts’ minds and the GTX 465 actually fits this mold nicely. This isn’t necessarily a good thing since we’ve moved on to 40nm and the Radeon HD 5000 series, but if you’ve ever wanted to know what a GTX 285 with DirectX 11 would be like, we would imagine it would be a lot like the GTX 465.
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5850 is waaaaaayyy better......... IMO

I am keeping my finger crossed and I hope that nVidia does something better with the next iteration of fermi.
 
Jump to the ATI wagon , gtx 465 does not make a lot of sense. Temperature wise its a pain , noise issue and power requirement are really f***** up , simply getting the biggest out there is not enough, nvidia needs time to perfect there fermi's . Obivously they had to make something faster than ATI's offerings been 6- 8 months late on the dx 11 brigade.Fermi's are unoptimized raw graphic cards......... period.
 
Another large FAIL. Much worse than the 470/480. With power consumption of approx 150-160W and performance of an OCed 5830 coming at a price of greater than 5850 ?? AMD can even lower the price of 5850 if they want as there's been enough sales. But they don't need to do that.
 
Their Firestorm software although basic, lets you easily overclock the card
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Haha.. what an appropriate name.

Seriously, Nvidia needs to get their act together. Pretty much everything people predicted since the announcement of Fermi (Difficulty to produce lower parts, power consumption, heat.. ) has come true. Nvidia products are still barely making it because ATI hasnt done price cuts. I dont see any necessity for them to do it either :( . This is bad.
 
Just wait for ATI 6xxx series in q4 2010 . Its gonna snatch the ground from ATI's foot . By August 2009 , you can very well assume price drops of ATI 5xxx series to sub 15k max . Then situation will be even worse for Nvidia considering they haven't got even 6 months proper time to sell their cards properly
 
Anubis said:
Just wait for ATI 6xxx series in q4 2010 . Its gonna snatch the ground from NVIDIA's foot . By August 2010 , you can very well assume price drops of ATI 5xxx series to sub 15k max . Then situation will be even worse for Nvidia considering they haven't got even 6 months proper time to sell their cards properly
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Hey dude :). Fixed.
 
^^ LOL...

well, 2nd Generation Fermi is coming next month, GF104, and a replacement, or even stronger G.Card than GTX280 will be DUAL GF104..... Speculations are it

s gonna be 640 Shaders(2x320 of GF104)...
 
comp@ddict said:
^^ LOL...

well, 2nd Generation Fermi is coming next month, GF104, and a replacement, or even stronger G.Card than GTX480 will be DUAL GF104..... Speculations are it
s gonna be 640 Shaders(2x320 of GF104)...
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everybody seems to be in a hurry today :)
 
neojjjk said:
gtx 465 price is 16.5k+tax ~ 17k in India

MSI GTX 465
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If I were to buy a card in that category I would still buy a HD5850, Sapphire costs 15.7K cause the performance is the same..give and take a few fps, but in terms of efficiency the 5850 wins hands down
 
abbY said:
If I were to buy a card in that category I would still buy a HD5850, Sapphire costs 15.7K cause the performance is the same..give and take a few fps, but in terms of efficiency the 5850 wins hands down
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yea reviews shows that 5850 performs better than 465...sometimes equal to gtx 470...

gtx 465 almost equal to HD5830
 
@All the futuristic speculators:
Please do not repeat the mistake we all made with the 'nuclear' Fermi. For months and months we advised prospectors to 'hold their horses', wait for the 'big nVidia release', and 'ATI will have an answer'. We all know what we got. End of the day Fermi has been a flop, and totally not worth the value for the money plus the downside of high temperatures and power consumption.
 
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