Have r/India always been like this?

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You have too much faith in right wing it seems.

Not surprising since I get along with the right of Canada, US, UK, France, Israel, India & Australia.

As far as India, Israel or the US, right is the only side that matters.

The real reason is in any internet community eventually the extremist and loud people will come out on top.

Depends on the forum. I find the extremists are not helpful. They start of sounding fine and then it goes sideways.

If the extremists have taken over its because the others also from the right have left

Sometimes it can seem that way because a few vocal people push rhe Overton window that way but its not representative

The guys who spend all day on the internet and are full of hate for the other side are the most motivated and they are the ones who become mods in these subreddits. Soon the whole mod team is full of such people. Anyone who tries to disagree with them starts getting seen as too soft or secretly a traitor. So polarisation is the natural law of such internet communities.

Nothing wrong with that so long as the board that is aligned with the ruling party of the day can enlighten about said parties policies. Cannot argue anything without this step.

Those are examples.

That's good enough to explain the context.

 

[mayank11280]

Nothing wrong with that so long as the board that is aligned with the ruling party of the day can enlighten about said parties policies. Cannot argue anything without this step.

I am extremely perplexed.

Help me understand it correctly:

Whatever the ruling party says is correct?

And if the forums of discussion are dominated by the ruling party while suppressing other view points then that is fine?

That's good enough to explain the context.

No. I don’t think that’s a good enough explanation. I requested you to tell me what do you mean by left and right because I really want to understand where you are coming from.

Examples don’t mean anything. Democrats are right wing according to many. Congress is considered centrist by political scientists.

So, when you say right and left, that needs to be explained, because it is very confusing at the moment.

 

[blr_p]

Whatever the ruling party says is correct?

About their policies? Who else are you going to consult with otherwise.

Correct isn't the point.

An accurate description of what the policy is and more importantly what it is not.

Then we can argue correct or not

And if the forums of discussion are dominated by the ruling party while suppressing other view points then that is fine?

Yes, higher signal to noise ratio.

Certainly how I consume news about any country of interest

 

[mayank11280]

About their policies? Who else are you going to consult with otherwise.

Correct isn't the point.

An accurate description of what the policy is and more importantly what it is not

Yes, higher signal to noise ratio.

So, if say, Communist Party comes to govern then you will be fine with them taking over all the discussion forums, suppressing your view points, as you said higher “signal to noise ratio”? Theirs will be the signal, yours will become the noise.

 

[blr_p]

So, if say, Communist Party comes to govern then you will be fine with them taking over all the discussion forums,

Yes. If that is who the people choose. This tends to upset some people.

Are you a democrat or not?

I'd prefer the right remain in office but if not then whoever is in charge.

This is why I say liking the government of the day is optional. Understanding their policies is not

suppressing your view points?

If they are opposition then yes. Let the opposition go hang out with their kind

 

[mayank11280]

Yes. If that is who the people choose.

I'd prefer the right remain in office but if not then whoever is in charge

If they are opposition then yes. Let the opposition go hang out with their kind

What?

I would assume, we all believe in democracy.

What is the basis of democracy to you?

Would you mind explaining left and right too please?

I have so many questions.

 

[blr_p]

What is the basis of democracy to you?

Follow who is in charge if you want to understand what they are about.

Would you mind explaining left and right too please.

No need. You asked to distinguish between and I gave you clear examples

 

[mayank11280]

Follow who is in charge

Okay. How does anyone become incharge in a democracy?

No need. You asked to distinguish between and I gave you clear examples

I am trying very hard to understand your POV. I still don’t understand what do you “mean” by right and left. I explicitly used the word “mean” because it will be really helpful. So, I would say it is needed for me to understand how you view them. Also, examples are not “meanings”. Please help me understand.

 

[blr_p]

Okay. How does anyone become incharge in a democracy?

By winning the election process

I still don’t understand what do you “mean” by right and left.

See manifestos of the parties mentioned. Then decide which side of the aisle they belong. I'm using convention.

You will notice points in common among left progressive parties around the world as well as right. The difference will be degree of implementation.

The left progressives are global. That is how Soros et al. can poke around in India. Whereas the right is local. Everything up to the border they care about. Beyond is some one else's problem. If one were to generalise

BJP is a right wing party. In terms of defense and general disposition.

Are their economic polices right wing? No, not at all.

 

[khamosh]

extra judicial killing of another over some suspicion of animal smuggling is justified

extra judicial?? bruh, what? he was entering India, crossing borders illegally.

 

[mayank11280]

Through an election process

How is election decided? How do people vote? On what basis?

See manifestos of the parties mentioned. Then decide which side of the aisle they belong. I'm using convention.

You will notice points in common among left progressive parties around the world as well as right. The difference will be degree of implementation.

BJP is a right wing party. In terms of defense and general disposition.

Are their economic polices right wing? No, not at all.

How did you decide BJP is right in Defense and general proposition but left in economics? See, that’s what I am asking, on what basis do you classify left and right?

extra judicial?? bruh, what? he was entering India, crossing borders illegally.

Article 21 in Constitution of India

Article 22 in Constitution of India

Anyone has to be prosecuted as per the process of the law. An illegal alien has as much right to live and right to be tried as per the procedure established by the law as much as a proven citizen. So, yes, it is an extra judicial killing.

 

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How is election decided?

First past the post in former British territories.

How do people vote?

Go to a polling booth

On what basis?

Selfishness

How did you decide BJP is right in Defense and general proposition but left in economics? See, that’s what I am asking, on what basis do you classify left and right?

Because of the difference in approach either party uses in reference to a given problem.

BJP can't use right wing economic policies in India because they don't want to get thrown out at the next elections. But you will see those policies more commonly applied in the west. Reducing governments foot print is a common example. Getting rid of redundant departments is another. Efficiency goes up when tedious processes designed on purpose by corrupt people are streamlined.

I not going into more details because this will become endless. What I've said is clear to regular followers of the politics scene. That you don't get it tells me you are not following things

 

[mayank11280]

First past the post in former British territories.

Go to a polling booth

Selfishness

People vote on the basis of self interest, no doubt but how do they decide which interest is worth voting for is shaped by debate and discussions on a free and open platform. Hence, no ruling party should be allowed to control and suppress differing voices because that will subvert the democracy itself. Essence of democracy is open debates and discussions. Whether right or left, no has the right to ban the other in a democracy.

Because of the difference in approach either party uses in reference to a given problem.

BJP can't use right wing economic policies in India because they don't want to get thrown out at the next elections. But you will see those policies more commonly applied in the west.

I not going into more details because this will become endless. What I've said is clear to regular followers of the politics scene. That you don't get it tells me you are not following things

This ad hominem is unwarranted. At this stage it feels like we have a difference of depth of understanding. Right and Left are distinguished not on the basis of progressivism or internationalism but the idea of change and status quo. Those who seek to preserve the existing socio-politico-economic order sat on the right side of the well of French National Convention in 1792 after the French Revolution. They wanted to restore monarchy. The ones on the left wanted to abolish the monarchy and establish a complete republic. Hence, emerged the left and right terminologies and distinction. In India, Congress is anything but left, BJP is also not right but rather centre right because they also follow the welfare policies for upliftment of the vulnerable and the marginalised. If anything, I think we could not have a clear understanding of your POV because you have a different perspective of the world than me.

 

[Pyception]

r/India is run by Pakistan/Bangladeshi IT cell. Not only mod but lots of other account as well.​

Below is their day to day cycle.

Few of choosen accounts start with "story of the day" which is low points. Other make sure to upvote/comment it as much as they can. At the same time they downvote any topic which is highlights or any India achivement.
They comment in passive voice and try to win neutral POV over time. They go to your profile histrory and will make sure your view is aligned with their view/Propaganda or not. They will ban you even you didn't comment a SINGLE time on r/India sub reddit.
I'm just sharing my experience.

 

[Futureized]

I use my main ID only to get karma from those subs.. dont indulge into arguments with same..
If need be, will make a new account and end up until the account or topic continues

 

[khamosh]

An illegal alien has as much right to live and right to be tried as per the procedure established by the law as much as a proven citizen

Anyone entering borders illegally is considered a national security threat.
This mere difference of understandings explains the left and right mindset.

 

[mayank11280]

Anyone entering borders illegally is considered a national security threat.

This is not so. Security threats are determined on the basis of strategic concerns and the geographies involved. Even then security threats are dealt by the procedure established by law. Illegal aliens are to be detained by the Central Forces and then handed over to the state police for formal deportation/prosecution (Foreigners Act, 1946). Any law which says that an illegal alien must be shot at site is yet to be legislated.

That’s another issue that the Supreme Court will declare it ultra vires on the grounds of violating the Fundamental Right to Life under Article 21.

This mere difference of understandings explains the left and right mindset.

Huh? It is what the Supreme Court and the Constitution say. Please don’t label anyone this or that.

 

[PunkX 75]

Lol I just follow r/shitposts. Gives me peace

 

[khamosh]

It is what the Supreme Court and the Constitution say. Please don’t label anyone this or that.

Constitution is not an encyclopedia or a Library consisting of literatures.
Kids learning to walk and talk isn't guided by the supreme court or explained in the constitution.

 

[lged821]

I am very curious as to what do we mean by left winger and right winger here?

Specifically, what do they mean to you?

This is a bait. I have met and talked to enough leftists to know how they operate. They start with pretending they have no idea and start with questions and then all of a sudden they are experts on constitution.

Meanwhile not even a single leftist could ever answer me why this happened

https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810