High End Video Editing Rig (Bangalore): Advice Needed!

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I am planning on getting a high end rig for my video editing. After lots of consideration over a iMac or Mac Pro, I have concluded that I can build a mega rig with higher specs than the Apples for the same price if I buy a PC. And Win 7 stability has also changed a lot since its Vista days. And also since Apple killed off FCP and Adobe CS5 Production Premium has become more powerful software than FCP. I will be using mostly AE and PP for my video work, will be working a lot with HDV, DSLR HD, & AVCHD footage on these. Also some basic 3D work (later)

My queries/questions:

1) Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 series/i7 series? The Phenom has 6 cores, but no hyperthreading (this can make a difference esp with video encoding). i7 come with 4 cores but 8 threads. Also I heard about the latest hex core i7 (what does it cost in India as of now?).

2)Motherboard: Something that can support the above processors. As of now I want to start with 16 GB RAM (4x4). Maybe I will up it to 24 in the coming months. Plus single GPU. Also I want to add extra ports so that I can work with eSata, and firewire externals (either inbuilt/through extra cards).

3)GPU: I was thinking of either a nVidia GTX 470 1.2 GB or a GTX 480 1.5 GB. How can I get the best prices for it in Bangalore? I am getting this so that I can utilize the maximum of my Mercury playback engine in Premiere Pro (a function of the CUDA technology in nVidia cards) With GTX 470 and above I can get the performance of a Quadro 4000 for much lesser price.

4)HDD: I was thinking of getting an SSD/10000 RPM drive for my root where I will install my OS and programs and an extra 1 TB drive@7200 RPM. Capacities? Prices? Which brands?

6)RAM: 4x4 GB. Good quality.

7)Casing: What is a good casing that can house the above all with efficient cooling. Also should have ample space for later addition of HDDs etc.

8)Power Supply: Brand? Specs?

9)RAID Storage: Depending on my budget I might also want to invest in a RAID 5. Are there good external casings that can be used with USB3/eSata/Firewire available in india where I can just assemble say 4 seagates internals? Or is it better to do a RAID inside the cabinet itself (is that possible?)

PRICE: For me its the value for money. 80K to 100K Rs should be optimum. But as I said its the value for money. So pls do suggest if you have alternate choices or ideas.

Thanks.
 
You can have a look at our Intel Xeon Based Workstation Range and modify any system which you like according to your requirements. If you want than we can suggest a suitable config according to ur budget and requirements.
 
FCP and Mac has been a crippled format for post production since 2007, in my opinion. I moved away about then from FCP 5 to Vegas Pro 7 and it was such a huge leap forward. FCP 7 is a dinosaur and FCP X is a toy. The whole Quicktime X architecture of the Mac OS X is a total joke. So you have made the right decision. The first thing is to embrace a native workflow and forget about proxies, transcoding, rendering to preview and ProRes. Everything is native and real time.

Some suggestions -

1. Avoid Phenom II. It lacks SSE4.2 instructions and these makes a HUGE difference in Premiere Pro CS5, especially for scaling operations. If I were you, I would definitely wait for Bulldozer. Premiere Pro is HEAVILY multithreaded, and more cores brings about big improvements in performance. After Effects, not so much. The Intel hex cores will bring a decent performance boost over i7 2600K but unfortunately the X58 platform is almost dead. The Phenom II X6 1100T is still more than good enough for DSLR / AVCHD footage, so I would recommend going for a 990FX motherboard and a Phenom II X6 1100T. Then next month or after a couple of months, just replace in an 8-core FX.

2. Go for the GTX 570. It is natively supported by CS5.5. If you are using CS5, then get GTX 470.

3. SSD for app drive + media cache, 1 7200RPM drive for source and 1 7200 RPM for render/output is the minimum config. Go for RAID5, but do it internally! The external casings are a waste. If you are doing RAID5, get a PCI-e RAID controller too. One warning though - use RAID5 for the source footage cluster. Write performance for RAID5 is poor, so avoid a RAID5 array to render to. For AVCHD or DSLR H.264 these don't matter. But if you plan to work with high-bitrate footage from RED One/Epic or Arri Alexa cameras in the future, it makes a difference. Hard drives then becomes more important than CPU or GPU. E.g. the new Epic shoots at upto 225 MB/s. You would need 2 SSDs in RAID0 to edit that! Also, if you plan to work with multiple systems in the future, do invest in an NAS.

4. 4x4GB is fine.

For OS, get Windows 7 Professional. Feel free to PM me if you have any other queries.
 
If you can increase your budget a little, here is Dual Xeon Based configuration for you :

Dual Quad Core Xeon Processors 5620 x 2 (2.4 Ghz, 4 cores, 8 threads, 12MB Cache, 32 nm, Max TDP 80W)

Intel Original Workstation Board - Dual CPU Support, 12 RAM Slots (6 per CPU), Dual gigabit LAN, 7.1 Audio, Dual PCIe x 16 Slots)

16 GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3 ECC Registered Memory

Intel 80 GB SSD (320 Series)

1 x 1TB 7200RPM Drive

Intel Original Workstation chassis (with Intel Original 830W Server grade Powersupply)

Nvidia GTX 470 GPU

Optical Drive

3 Years warranty for every component.

Price -- 110k (including Tax, shipping Extra)

IMO, this configuration will be much faster than a Single CPU Core i7 System, Correct me if i am wrong.
 
For Premiere Pro CS5.x, a single socket CPU is always preferable over multiple socket. This is due to bottlenecks in inter-socket bandwidth. Add to this the lower clock speeds and 2-3 times higher prices for Xeons vs i7, and it becomes a no-brainer for Adobe CS5.x.

Do go through this benchmark site: Benchmark Results. The 6-core i7s consistently dominate the 8-core Xeons, and are nearly as fast as the 12-core Xeons. In fact, even an i7 2600K is preferable to 2P Xeon 5620.
 
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k 15900

Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro 11500

RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600MHz CL9 2x4GB 3400

GPU MSI GTX570 Twin Frozr II 19000

HDD1 OCZ Agility III 120GB 11600

HDD2 Seagate 7200.12 1TB 2750

Cabinet NZXT Tempest Evo 5700

Monitor Dell U2311H 14000

PSU Corsair HX650 6500

Keyboard Logitech MMKB 400

Mouse Razer Deathadder 2100

Mousepad Rantopad H1 300

Speakers Altec Lansing VS2621 1500

CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12P SE2 3750

DVD Writer Samsung 950

Total 99350


Overclock the i7 2600k to 4.7GHz and you would be having a i7 990x like performing rig... i7 2600k @ 4.7GHz gives a 50k (i7 990x) processor a run for its money... Checkout this benchmark : Core i7-990X Extreme Edition vs. Core i7-2600K. Page 11 - X-bit labs

New Sandybridge k series processors are very easy to overclock... You need to up the multiplier to overclock the new k series processors...
 
Hades. said:
Processor Intel Core i7 2600k 15900

Motherboard Asus P8P67 Pro 11500

RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600MHz CL9 2x4GB 3400

GPU MSI GTX570 Twin Froze II 19000

HDD1 OCZ Agility III 120GB 11600

HDD2 Seagate 7200.12 1TB 2750

Cabinet NZXT Tempest Evo 5700

Monitor Dell U2311H 14000

PSU Corsair HX650 6500

Keyboard Logitech MMKB 400

Mouse Razer Deathadder 2100

Mousepad Rantopad H1 300

Speakers Altec Lansing VS2621 1500

CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12P SE2 3750

DVD Writer Samsung 950

Total 99350


Overclock the i7 2600k to 4.7GHz and you would be having a i7 990x like performing rig... i7 2600k @ 4.7GHz gives a 50k (i7 990x) processor a run for its money... Checkout this benchmark : Core i7-990X Extreme Edition vs. Core i7-2600K. Page 11 - X-bit labs

New Sandybridge k series processors are very easy to overclock... You need to up the multiplier to overclock the new k series processors...

Thanks, but are these actual Indian street prices? I am from Bangalore. (Sorry, but I havent shopped for a custom build in a long time.)
 
^^ Yup............ :) You would get all the components at the same price or slightly lower or higher price... PC components price changes everyday... And the prices of the pc components also differ from city to city... But most probably you would get the components at the mentioned price only...
 
After some thought, and also taking into account all the posts above, I have decided to make some changes to my config:

I have decided to take Phenom II X6 1100T Black for now. I want to upgrade it to AMD Bulldozer (8 core) maybe after 6 months unless ofcourse my purchase delays till a time when Bulldozer comes out (unlikely). For the same reason I have chosen this particular mobo (more suggestions welcome on that front). Please point out to me if I have at any point I have gone awfully wrong on the prices?

Also,

Isn't 650 W enough for this setup, considering I now have a RAID setup also running?

Won't this casing provide enough cooling?

Will I be able to safely overclock the CPU? Isn't the heatsink enough?

CPU
Amd Phenom II X6 1100T 3.3GHz Processor 9900

Mobo GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5 AMD AM3+ 990FX Motherboard 13000

RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X 1600MHz CL9 4x4GB 6800

GPU MSI GTX570 Twin Frozr II 19000

HDD #1 OCZ Agility III 120GB 11600

HDD #2 4x1TB Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6 Gb/s Interface on RAID 5/10 13120

Cabinet NZXT Tempest Evo 5700

Monitor Dell U2311H 14000

PSU Corsair HX650 6500

CPU Cooler Noctua NH-U12P SE2 3750

DVD Writer Samsung 950

Mouse 350

Keyboard 400



TOTAL 105070

Please free to suggest on my present idea of rig any changes so as to make it better..
 
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