You are immature to make any online deals. It was my fault to deal with an immature buyer. I will be more careful in future.
Yes may be I am immature because I asked you something which may not be comfortable of. It doesn't matter if you call me immature, you are not writing my ACR over here, so forget it.
i) You can ask anybody - they will tell you the same - there is no warranty in a second hand deal unless it is clearly mentioned. I never mentioned any but I was generous enough to offer you a 3 day testing warranty. If you came up with the problems within 3 days - I 'd never asked you question. When you buy anything second hand from a dealer - their responsibility ends as soon as you leave the shop - unless they give you a warranty- which some dealers do give - but mostly don't. I also doubt your so called education on law and your activity as consumer activist going through your posts.
Why I should everyone when I would always give one for my products being a genuine & mature seller. Had I been interested in buying it from a dealer I may have turned my head to some local cheap market & not any personal seller like you.
ii) Also you are telling lie off and on - firstly you told me that the phone is for your brother - but now (also in in the XDA forum) you mentioned that it is for your friend. Although it does not matter anything in the deal - but it shows your nature when you are telling something different every time for such unimportant matter.
Also you mentioned to me that the phone has motherboard problem - but in XDA you yourself mentioned that "I took it to some technician but he said its motherboard problem which is something I am not convinced of".
These type of statement tells us about your nature. Whatever the problem may be - you be honest to your statements and should not bend it to suit you.
give me a sigh man, you think speaking off with different terminology in two totally different communities is a sin then yes may be I was a sinner.
If you think calling a cousin a friend nullify your commitment towards your deal then even you should let me know.
I am not here to prove my nature. If you think behaviour in a particular community shows your nature then I can very well see yours.
iii) Also your action when you realize the phone is faulty is not as per norms followed by persons who deals online. You failed to justify modifying an item without the consent of the seller. If the item has to be returned to a seller - you can not do any modification to it without asking the seller.
BTW You said that you took the phone to HTC service center - do you have a receipt for the same? How can I know that you didn't go to a local repair shop who are incompetent instead of HTC guys? Any proof?
Also, I will not comment on the quality of service of HTC people - once I had a HTC 3400 - which developed some problem with the headphone socket. When I took it to HTC service center they told me that the motherboard needs to be changed. I was shocked. Afterwards I bought the headphone socket from Singapore based website for 300 bucks and got it replaced by a local repairman for 50 bucks.
I never know you will take this wise & innocuous action on my part as a plank to attack my credentials. you may be right in saying that they people hardly knows much about pocketpc's, but what do I have to do when nothing is working here, I dont want to take chances, what if tommorrow you will come & say I corrupt the motherboard just because I tried to flash a ROM on it. Which didn't even started because it gave me an error before the flashing process exactly starts.
Doesn't that really shows what kind of nature do you possess? I would say no, coz may or may not be like this. This whole episode very well shows how immature you are for taking everything in a negative manner & can't even gauge that the buyer is a genuine person & quite busy with his own chores. If you want I can give you the no. of HTC center & you can ask them to send the photocopy of the copy where they entered my name, What proof are you talking about, I didn't ask him to repair it, I asked him to see whats wrong with the device, being on friendly terms he did that thing for free.
iv) Also, you may not be aware but I'm an electronics enthusiast from school days. I've nurtured enough electronic items and I have sufficient knowledge to inform you that nobody can tell you how long a certain item is having a problem by looking at its current condition (you claimed that the serviceman had told you - that the phone had problems since last 5-6 months).
Is that going to make a difference in your attitude towards this deal?
If you have been an electronic enthusiasts then you were suppose to behave quite differently. It again shows your action speaks milder than your words. I dont know why did he say its a motherboard problem & being a supportive buyer I even said it plainly to you that it doesn't even appears to me a motherboard problem. I have not started creating the panicky the way you created. I rather presented you with clear picture & rather understanding my problem you started creating an environment of mistrust. Which harmed both of our interest.
v) Also you mentioned the phone did not turn on second time - but why should you turn off a phone in the first place - I never do - except when changing SIM.
Now thats silly, I switch off my touch pro the moment I goes to my study room, I switched it off when I had my DSP interview last month, if you don't switch off your phone do you need to generalise it? That chap went to his personal function & never wanted to take any chances with his new handset. But he never knows he wont be able to turn it on again in future.
You may not believe that in last 9 months - that I owned the phone - I had used it to its full capacity without any problem. I had upgraded to many ROM including the WM6.5 perfectly. I only downgraded the phone to WM 6.1 before giving it to you because 6.5 was a beta which was going to expire in a few days and I didn't wanted the buyer to buy a phone and do software upgrade immediately. However, I had used the phone for about 10 days with the current ROM before shipping it to you.
I am not interested in knowing what you did with your phone, I never challenged your credentials, I never even doubted your intentions, inspite of knowing that you had same problems in the past, which you mentioned on xda, which you never apprised me of, I am not saying anything.
These are some of observations.
I've already informed my offer and I want to forget the deal as soon as possible.
PM me and I will give you my detailed address including landmark. However I'll only refund you money after I receive the phone and verify that it is not physically damaged. You must ensure that there is no physical damage to the phone before you send it to me.
Now thats like a man! I will send you back the entire package I had, there are no physical damages at all, that HTC fellow was my friend & they don't have the facility to open it either, rather they are not allowed to do that.
He just checked the moment when he tried to charge the handset & from the behaviour of the phone(as per his experience & some test-not on the phone) he concluded that its a hardware fault, I generally didn't agree with him at all as they usually pass the buck to someone else.
Thats all what happened as far as the testing is concern. I will send you back the phone with as it was condition. There are no physical damages at all & I hope you will not make one once you receive the phone so as to show others that I was wrong. I am again going to trust you & I will see how again my destiny will take me to. But there are few questions which you are suppose to answer first:
1. How long will you take to send the money back to my account?
2. Can you refund the money to any mod/admin so in case you do find something wrong you can refund the money from them.
3. What if you really come out with a problem because of me? (although I hope you will avoid using any such tactics to prove yourself right)
4. Who will be liable for non-refund of my money?
EDIT:
You posted when I was typing my last post.
Don't try to threaten me. Why do you feel that you have all the powers and connection in the world and I have none? Don't misunderstand me - because I'm speaking a gentleman's language.
Who is threatening you? Do we have any personal animosities other than this deal? Have we ever met? Answers will be no for most of these questions I suppose. I have the power of being a genuine buyer & I have friends who will help me inspite of the fact that I am sitting quite far away from you. Its not my fault if they are IPS & IAS posted in your own state.
You speak more & act less, we become gentlemen with our actions & not only with our hollow words. You have shown what you could do, now if you will live up to your word of refunding the money then only I will call you gentlemen. I may have taken their help only in case you dont come to a gentlemen terms of good seller, if you will come on those terms, I will be happy not to bother them.
You may be having lot of power I dont want to challenge that proposition but does make you refund my money? Plz use your power to help a small child & dont use to threaten someone, we are 21st century educated people & should avoid talking on such trivial matters.
The post you mentioned - indicates that the problem is software related - not any hardware related right? I got it working with a simple ROM upgrade and following the mtty command.
