i5 2500K Rig Config..

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3DCAD

Disciple
Hi,

I needed to make a rig with an i52500K processor. The primary use of the machine will be to work on 3D modelling softwares like Rhino and Jewelcad. From what I understand about Rhino is that it uses only a single core and hence the i52500K so that when the load is on the single core the efficiency of that core will increase rapidly.

The monitor to use will be a Dell 19" Square monitor(4:3).

Rhino does not use more than 3GB RAM so 4 GB Ram would be sufficient.

Q: What is your budget?

30-25K

Q: What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)

None

Q: Which hardware will you be keeping (component name - component brand and model)

All new

Q: Is this going to be your final configuration or you would be adding/upgrading a component in near future. If yes then please mention when and which component

Yes, will upgrade the following within 6 months

Graphic Card : GTX460 1GB (OpenGL on which Rhino works is better supported)

Q: Where will you buy this hardware? (Online/City/TE Dealer)

Mumbai

Q: Would you consider buying a second hand hardware from the TE market

No

Q: What is your intended use for this PC/hardware

3D Modelling with Rhino

Q: Do you have any brand preference or dislike? Please name them and the reason for your preference/dislike.

None

Q: If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing?

None

Q: What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage

Gaming - 1280x728

Desktop - 1440x900

Q: Are you looking to overclock?

No

Q: Which operating system do you intend to use with this configuration?

Windows 7 64 bit

Thanks..
 
You need the complete rig (except GPU) for 30k!!!!! Plus if you do not over clock then you dont need a 'K' series processor! A normal 2500 would suffice.

The only difference 2500 and 2500K is that the K series is over-clockable whereas non-K cant be.
 
DarkAngel said:
You need the complete rig (except GPU) for 30k!!!!! Plus if you do not over clock then you dont need a 'K' series processor!
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[OT] DA is probably saying to himself "enna kodumayo" :p [/OT] - No offense, sorry.

@OP :25-30k is a little too slim to make do with mate, 35-40k will get you decent results IMO.
 
Components Description Price (INR)

Processor Intel Core i5 2500 10300

Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 3800

RAM Kingston 4GB DDRIII 1333MHz 1950

HDD Seagate 500GB 7200.12 1750

GPU HD 2000 IGP -

Monitor Dell E190S(Square) 7400

Cabinet CM Elite 310 1500

PSU/SMPS Corsair VX450 3500

Key Board Logitech SET - Optical Blk Mouse+ MMKB 700

Mouse NA -

ODD LG 22X SATA DVD 850

Speakers Altec Lansing 2.1 BXR1121 950

Total 33700

You can save some bucks if you dont need a speaker! Also a 20" Dell LED IN2020M costs just ~ 6.5k.

Its much superior IMHO. Only -ve is the 16:9(1600*900). Both VGA and DVI I am not sure whether it will suit you. But a 19" dell square monitor has a 1280*1024 resolution. and only VGA port

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l33t said:
[OT] DA is probably saying to himself "enna kodumayo" :p [/OT] - No offense, sorry.

@OP :25-30k is a little too slim to make do with mate, 35-40k will get you decent results IMO.
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Squeezed in something decent for ~33k :p
 
DA, Thanks for the config. Before thinking about the i5 2500K build, I had shorlisted components for an AMD Machine as below. But was leaning towards the i5 config because of the ability of the processor to increase the processor core speed dynamically. The below mentioned config does not have an optical drive as it would not be necessary.

AMD Phenom X4 955 + Asus 880TMLE - 10700
Corsair 2x2GB 1333 DDR3 - 2200
MSI HAWK 5770 1GB - 8200
DELL E190S - 6950
SEAGATE 7200.12 1TB - 2650
CM310 - 1500
VX 450 - 3500
LOGITECH KBRD-MS - 700
TOT-36400.00

The price target for 30-35K was because when building a rig, I normally overstretch my budget ;)
 
MSI HAWK 5770 1GB ~ 7.5k from SMC Delhi. So Mumbai prices also should be similar.
AMD Phenom X4 955 + Asus 880TMLE - 10700 -> This combo should cost ~10.3k. 10.7k quote from a Metro is a bit steep.
In the opening post you had mentioned the Rhino S/W is better supported by Nvida GTX460. Now you have posted a ATI card in the above post! Since i am not familiar with the s/w i cant comment too much.
But in power consumption and processing power the i5 2500 is miles ahead of the 955BE though.

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Still looking at Nvidia options, but could not find a card similar to 5770 in price/preformance ratio. Would you suggest a i5 2500 without graphic card over the AMD config with the graphic card option?
 
3DCAD said:
Still looking at Nvidia options, but could not find a card similar to 5770 in price/preformance ratio. Would you suggest a i5 2500 without graphic card over the AMD config with the graphic card option?
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I am not sure how much your S/W will make use of a GPU or how your user experience will be with or without a GPU. So sorry i cant comment much on that.

For Nvida options in the 7k range you can consider the,
MSI N450GTS Cyclone 1GD5 --Rs 7040 -> I would recommend this. But search whether your S/W is optimized for GTS450 too. Since you said Nvidia i recommeded this.
MSI N450GTS-M2D1GD5 --Rs 6710

http://www.techenclave.com/smc-internl/all-msi-graphic-cards-stock-smc-188491.html

Price to gaming performance is lesser than HD5770 (Gaming Perf. between HD5750 and HD5770) But if your S/W works better with Nvidia then its worth going with this. Since you are going to use a 1280*1024 it should run most new games at playable framerates!

MSI N450GTS Cyclone OC 1 GB Review - Page 28/32 | techPowerUp

Check how this card performs in your fav. games

 
3DCAD said:
I needed to make a rig with an i52500K processor. The primary use of the machine will be to work on 3D modelling softwares like Rhino and Jewelcad. From what I understand about Rhino is that it uses only a single core and hence the i52500K so that when the load is on the single core the efficiency of that core will increase rapidly.
Q: What is your intended use for this PC/hardware
3D Modelling with Rhino
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Rhino 4.0 System Requirements < Same Rhino?
3DCAD said:
Q: If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing?
None
Q: What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
Gaming - 1280x728
Desktop - 1440x900
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You mentioned no gaming. and Also a preferred resolution for gaming? :S
3DCAD said:
Q: Are you looking to overclock?
No
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Like others have mentioned, if not overclocking, then why did you think of Core i5 2500K? :S

Hope you and those who are helping you find this helpful. :)
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Hardware Requirements for Rhino - 15/12/09
Note that these requirements are different from those listed by McNeel. They represent new machine specifications available at the time of writing.

Our suggested minimum system requirements for running Rhino are:

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz or AMD equivalent
2 GB RAM
80 GB HD
Open GL Graphics Card
Windows XP

A native version for Rhino on Mac OSX is in development. See the latest information from McNeel about Rhino for OSX here. In the meantime Rhino runs under BootCamp or Parallels Desktop on MacOSX.

What specification is best for Rhino ultimately depends on what you are using Rhino for but here are some pointers on the various facets that can influence performance.
Operating System

Windows XP Professional Rhino 4.0 runs well on Windows XP Professional. This 32 bit application has been around for a while and although it has effectively been phased out following the launch of Windows 7 it is still a viable platform for Rhino.

Windows Vista Rhino 4.0 now runs under all Vista 32 bit versions, however Vista uses more system resources than XP and most professional CAD and modelling users still favour XP because of this. There may also be incompatibilities with some older graphics cards and drivers. See McNeel’s thoughts on Vista here.

Windows XP Professional X64 Rhino 4.0 is a 32 bit application and will run on XP Pro X64 (but only in 32 bit mode) and although this is not officially supported we have found this to be stable in a professional environment. Running Rhino 4.0 in a 64 bit environment will allow it to access more memory (a total of 3GB - this can make all the difference when rendering with V-Ray, Brazil, Maxwell etc) and the 64 bit version of Rhino 5 currently in development will allow significantly greater amounts of RAM to be accessed. Windows XP has effectively been phased out following the launch of Windows 7.

Windows Vista X64 As XP X64 - note that as with the 32 bit version Vista uses more system resources than XP.

Windows 7 32 Bit. In simple terms Windows 7 offers the stability and speed of XP with an enhanced user interface and ease of use. Our initial tests show that Rhino runs well in this environment. If you are upgrading your OS, however, please make sure that the drivers you need (eg for graphics cards, printers etc) are supported.

Windows 7 64 Bit. AS with XP Pro X64, running Rhino 4 in a 64bit environment will allow it to access more memory (a total of 3GB) and the 64 bit version of Rhino 5 currently in development will allow significantly greater amounts of RAM to be accessed. Our initial tests show that Rhino runs well in this environment. If you are upgrading your OS, however, please make sure that the drivers you need (eg for graphics cards, printers etc) are supported.
Processor

Most modern chips from Intel and AMD are multi core but even with 64 bit operating systems such as Windows XP64 or Windows Vista 64, modelling applications such as SolidWorks, 3D Studio Max and Rhino use only one processor core for some modelling tasks whereas rendering plug-ins like
V-Ray,Brazil and Maxwell will make use of all the available cores. Rhino 5.0 64 bit will still use only one processor core for most modelling tasks but will be able to access much greater amounts of memory.
Given that (for instance) a quad core 2.4 GHz processor costs roughly the same as a dual core 3.0 GHz processor and that modelling will only address one core then if your primary focus is modelling then the dual core machine will be much more cost effective and just as fast. For modelling only processor speed is most important whereas if your primary focus is rendering then the quad core machine would speed up your renders considerably and so would be the preferred option.

The latest i7 quad core processor from Intel is also gaining favourable reviews from within the Rhino market. This processor features 'Turbo Boost' dynamic overclocking meaning that when the CPU senses a maximum load it increases the clock multiplier on the RAM by a number of increments. What's interesting about this in relation to Rhino, is that this overclocking can be core selective - so when just one core is stressed (as with a linear modelling process) then Turbo Boost will increase the clock on that core by a much greater margin.
Graphics Cards

There are two main graphics card vendors, NVIDIA and ATI. Both manufacturers produce both consumer cards targeted towards gamers and professional workstation cards targeted towards the 3D CAD market. NVIDIA’s gaming cards are called GeForce and the pro cards Quadro. ATI’s gaming cards are called Radeon and the pro cards Fire GL.

We generally recommend NVIDIA graphics cards as these, particularly the workstation class Quadro cards, are well proven with Rhino. The ATI workstation class cards are very fast and perform well with Rhino provided the correct driver is chosen. The consumer ATI cards are generally fine but require certain Rhino settings to be adjusted to solve well documented display issues. To summarise the safe bet is with NVIDIA.

McNeel’s document on troubleshooting display problems

McNeel’s document on Rhino V4 Display FAQ
Memory

We recommend 2GB of RAM as a useful minimum specification. Not all memory is the same and high speed low latency RAM will make a difference to performance particularly if the cache speed of the memory is matched to that of the processors.

Rhino 4.0 will address a maximum of 2GB RAM when running on 32 bit operating systems; however if the /3GB switch is set Rhino can address 3GB. There can be associated problems with setting this switch. See McNeel’s thoughts here.

Rhino 4.0 will address a maximum of 3GB RAM when running on 64 bit operating systems. The 64 bit version of Rhino 5 currently in development will allow significantly greater amounts of RAM to be accessed when running in a 64 bit OS.

Specific Hardware Requirements
As the UK ’s leading Rhinoceros Specialist, we are often asked about system specifications and Simply Rhino is proud to announce that we have been working with the award winning manufacturer Very PC to formulate specifications for a new range of Designed for Rhino machines.
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pegasus said:
Rhino 4.0 System Requirements < Same Rhino?
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Same Rhino.

I think, GTS450 1GB as suggested by DA with his config will be a good start for the machine.

Also a 20" Dell LED IN2020M costs just ~ 6.5k.
Its much superior IMHO. Only -ve is the 16:9(1600*900). Both VGA and DVI I am not sure whether it will suit you. But a 19" dell square monitor has a 1280*1024 resolution. and only VGA port
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I would probably need a 22-23"(16:9) monitor to have the same monitor real estate as a 19"(4:3). The height of the window will decrease in a 20".

What would be a good 22-23" monitor which would be cost effective.
 
3DCAD said:
Same Rhino.

I think, GTS450 1GB as suggested by DA with his config will be a good start for the machine.

I would probably need a 22-23"(16:9) monitor to have the same monitor real estate as a 19"(4:3). The height of the window will decrease in a 20".

What would be a good 22-23" monitor which would be cost effective.
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Benq G2220HD ~ 7.5k or so in most metros. (1920*1080 -> So you wont lose out on vertical pixels and will get more horizontal ones. More real estate than a 19" square one)
 
DarkAngel said:
Benq G2220HD ~ 7.5k or so in most metros. (1920*1080 -> So you wont lose out on vertical pixels and will get more horizontal ones. More real estate than a 19" square one)
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Thanks.. will rework my config and post an update :)
 
3DCAD said:
Just a quick question.. what would the price difference between i5 2500 and i5 2500K be at Lamington Road? Thanks.
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~1k. Waste of 1k if you chose it if you are not going to OC. Plus with a H61/H67 you can't OC it. You need to get a P67 mobo which costs 9k-9.5k (Cheapest one)

But then with a P67 you cant make use of the IGP of the processor. So you have to get a GPU immediately to even connect a display!
 
Hi Guys,

Been thinking and am now planning the following config (prices aprox):

i3 2100 + Intel DH67BL-B3 ~ 11850 (Rhino uses only one core. The Next ver is also not going to use multiple cores)

CORSAIR 2x2GB DDR3 1333 ~ 2200

SAPPHIRE HD 6850 ~ 9600 (Read that there is very good OpenGL support which was the primary reason for going for NVidia initially)

SEAGATE 500GB 7200.12 ~ 1750

BENQ G2220HD ~ 7500

CM 310 ELITE ~ 1500

CORSAIR VX450 ~ 3500

LOGITECH KYBRD+MS ~ 550

LD 22X DVD ~ 850

TOT-39300

Thanks for your help!
 
i5 2500K has HD 3000 graphics which is nearly as par with 5450. Get a wide screen monitor instead a square and use the money to purchase a 2500K instead of 2500.
 
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