Indians Being Deported from USA are treated so inhumanely.

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It was major push from the Soviets and from Indira. IIRC, she had traveled to many countries getting them onboards, so did they. And yes, having strong leaders to allow MEA have free hand matters a lot.

My recollection is her travelling was done before the war began to gauge world opinion. She wasn't successful in getting that support which is why we then signed the friendship treaty with the Soviets.

By diplomatic push I mean by the foreign office at the UN and other fora after the war. I remember a book talk by a diplomat going into more detail. Can't recall the book or the author now. Only the gist.

In fact I can give you another important achievement of the foreign office by Jaswant Singh, one that far exceeds the return of Abhinandan.

What if I told you Kargil was won by our diplomats and not the military

That is to say it was the diplomatic push that got the Paks to vacate the remaining 120 posts of which just 40 were reclaimed after three months by our military at the cost of 500+ dead.

This is how it is right? You ask to release 100 when you want 20 in reality.

For some reasons the Israelis have been unable to get the same ratio

 

[desiibond]

My recollection is her travelling was done before the war began to gauge world opinion. She wasn't successful in getting that support which is why we then signed the friendship treaty with the Soviets.

By diplomatic push I mean by the foreign office at the UN and other fora after the war. I remember a book talk by a diplomat going into more detail. Can't recall the book or the author now. Only the gist.

In fact I can give you another important achievement of the foreign office by Jaswant Singh, one that far exceeds the return of Abhinandan.

What if I told you Kargil was won by our diplomats and not the military

Kargil was major win, a seismic shift moment I would say.

That is to say it was the diplomatic push that got the Paks to vacate the remaining 120 posts of which just 40 were reclaimed after three months by our military at the cost of 500+ dead.

For some reasons the Israelis have been unable to get the same ratio

Kandahar and this are different. There are so many innocent Palestines rotting in Israel prisons. Israel got lot more than what they wanted by this war and them releasing prisoners is of less releveance. They could have released same prisoners earlier itself but they had to wait till they make a fool of Iran. Somehow I feel that they intentionally delayed prisoner exchange to dismantle Iran's axis. How bad Iran's axis is now, I do not know.

 

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Kargil was major win, a seismic shift moment I would say.

Let's just say the Americans giving us a default win after just a year from Pokhran didn't go down well with the other side and paved a way forward for us to reconcile with the Americans.

 

[solo_wing]

Let's just say the Americans giving us a default win after just a year from Pokhran didn't go down well with the other side and paved a way forward for us to reconcile with the Americans.

Americans always seen Pakistan as both asset and a liability.

They know Pakistan is not a responsible nuear power with constant nuclear rattling they keep doing.
On top power keeps changing with military having most say.

Only reason they keep Pakistan little happy is it is a good counter for India.

Also One of the reasons Pakistan is now heavily shifting towards China as their major strategic ally.

They are even ready to replace their major weapons with Chinese weapons. Further angring the Americans.

So I'm short American does not see Pakistan a reliable long term partner .

 

[yugaaa]

Why would small businesses and distributors buy goods from another country if they get them cheaper locally? Seriously, you need to come out of dream world. Do you even know the scale of manufacturing in China and what it takes to even reach half of it? Do you even know how China reached their current manufacturing? It all started more than 50 years ago with their policy changes. Make in India was the step in right direction but it is not enough. Blaming current MEA for not competing with China clearly shows how bad your understanding is.

Earlier you are saying that India should stop importing and make local. Now you are saying that EU must be made to import from India. Dont you think that they too are looking to reduce dependency outside? EU learnt a massive lesson when they relied too much on Russia and China. They are taking steps to be self-reliant. If you are blaming our MEA for their policy changes, your understanding is far worse than what I thought it is. Btw, we are doing pretty good in exports.
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US knows very well that they are being played at and they cannot do anything about it. Well, unless Trump wakes up some day with very bad mood and first news he gets is India doing something naughty. But then it would lead to major global issues. Look at the U-Turn with Mexico and Canada recently (tariffs). Btw, why are you bringing intelligence into this? India's dealings are very open, MEA directly said that they are still buying oil and other goods from Russia and they will continue to do so. We are also building a port in Iran and investing there and it is not a secret underground cave.

Are you hurt and trying to fight using this pointless blabbering because I asked you not to post hate comments? You should sit this discussion out. The way we handled Trudeau is known to everyone. Bugger ran to USA and USA released one statement asking India to cooperate and left it.

Sit this discussion out. You clearly have zero knowledge and are fully into 'I made comment without knowing, I will stand by it even if I am wrong' mode. This will be my last reply to your blabbering.

It was major push from the Soviets and from Indira. IIRC, she had traveled to many countries getting them onboards, so did they. And yes, having strong leaders to allow MEA have free hand matters a lot.

Oh yeah. I remember Jaswant-Talbott talks. Those early talks were crucial to get the deal later.

This is how it is right? You ask to release 100 when you want 20 in reality.

You choose selective points to reply . I said clearly it costs the same or lower to manufacture many products that are imported into India ,but over the past few years the govt let many MSME and small businesses die . Like I mentioned earlier we produce quite a few things which is cheaper to manufacture in India than in China . I run a company where I compete in many product verticals and my main competitors are the Chinese . If you happen to know Bajaj , TVS the Chinese are not able to compete with them in Africa . Chinese are not able to compete with Koreans in some products . Your understanding I can clearly see is what you read on whatsapp university . How difficult is that to understand when I have clearly given the reason . Either you are dumb or being selective in seeking information .

I said we need to bring down imports because that is causing a trade imbalance . As we speak the dollar went up by another 50 paise today . We need to lessen imports and export more if we need the rupee to be stable . Achievements of this current govt is that our rupee is now 50 % more expensive than it was 10 years back . The EU places certain rules and regulations which hamper our ability to export but India gives EU a free pass for them to export to India . If the foreign minister does not negoitate FTA and trade agreements who does it ? Now , I am clear of your understanding and how much of a keyboard warrior you are .
We are doing good with exports ? Have you also studied how much of imports we are doing ? Posting 1 sided information does not qualify as knowledge . We are simply importing from China and labeling "Make in India "and exporting . In this scam India is losing more money while exporters process their GST refunds . I am at a loss why you choose to blabber or not research but ridicule the information .

Trudeau told Trump to F..off . He got scared of Jaishankar ? LOL

US can easily sanction and they can come up with a million reasons . If they can play with Russia , Middle east they cannot do it to India ?

Neways , I am done talking to you . If Jaishankar is your god , let it be . Just that he is hopeless for India and Indians .

 

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You choose selective points to reply . I said clearly it costs the same or lower to manufacture many products that are imported into India ,but over the past few years the govt let many MSME and small businesses die . Like I mentioned earlier we produce quite a few things which is cheaper to manufacture in India than in China . I run a company where I compete in many product verticals and my main competitors are the Chinese . If you happen to know Bajaj , TVS the Chinese are not able to compete with them in Africa . Chinese are not able to compete with Koreans in some products . Your understanding I can clearly see is what you read on whatsapp university . How difficult is that to understand when I have clearly given the reason . Either you are dumb or being selective in seeking information .

I said we need to bring down imports because that is causing a trade imbalance . As we speak the dollar went up by another 50 paise today . We need to lessen imports and export more if we need the rupee to be stable . Achievements of this current govt is that our rupee is now 50 % more expensive than it was 10 years back . The EU places certain rules and regulations which hamper our ability to export but India gives EU a free pass for them to export to India . If the foreign minister does not negoitate FTA and trade agreements who does it ? Now , I am clear of your understanding and how much of a keyboard warrior you are .
We are doing good with exports ? Have you also studied how much of imports we are doing ? Posting 1 sided information does not qualify as knowledge . We are simply importing from China and labeling "Make in India "and exporting . In this scam India is losing more money while exporters process their GST refunds . I am at a loss why you choose to blabber or not research but ridicule the information .

Trudeau told Trump to F..off . He got scared of Jaishankar ? LOL

US can easily sanction and they can come up with a million reasons . If they can play with Russia , Middle east they cannot do it to India ?

Neways , I am done talking to you . If Jaishankar is your god , let it be . Just that he is hopeless for India and Indians .

Agree with @yugaaa on 1 point, have first hand seen atleast in textile industry some guys are importing fabrics and re selling with 0.5% margin, competing with the indian factories struggling with orders, your levi's & inditex of world don't care a bit about origin, they just need the spec to be met and would procure from afganistan if cheaper.

Govt could have done better to safeguard indian mills who've set up capacity from raw cotton to finished garment (not to forget bribes paid)
Big players have either scaled down (reliance,mafatlal) or are stagnated (arvind,vardhman) over last decade only survivors left are a fly by night operators with shady practices.

and textile industy is one of largest mass employer in india excluding agriculture, indian bureaucracy is just full of incompetent babus of which few have become politicians.

 

[desiibond]

Agree with @yugaaa on 1 point, have first hand seen atleast in textile industry some guys are importing fabrics and re selling with 0.5% margin, competing with the indian factories struggling with orders, your levi's & inditex of world don't care a bit about origin, they just need the spec to be met and would procure from afganistan if cheaper.

This again shows the manufacturing prowess of China. Moreover, isn't this responsibility of Trade/Commerce Ministry? You guys are confused between trade and external affairs. This is Piyush Goyal's portfolio, what will Jaishankar do?

The department of commerce is entrusted with formulating and implementing the foreign trade policy and responsibilities relating to multilateral and bilateral commercial relations, state trading, export promotion measures, and development and regulation of certain export oriented industries and commodities.

 

[Zino]

my take on this.
1. illegals are illegals. Americans have every right to do what they did. Same applies to Illegals and Bangladeshi and Rohingyas . Question is when will our government have the will power to do this is the main Question.

2. Sending these odd 200 in chains is to set an example to show the world.

3. Nope ! this is not a humiliation of India IMHO. Illegals are illegals , if they are citizens of India, India has the obligation to take it back. So does Bangladesh.

4. There are 2 lacs + illegal Indians out of which 18k is identified during this drive. So if this was an event to humiliate India there would be plane after plane landing in India. believe me US have that capability. if they can burn trillion dollars on Afghanistan, they can easily do these in a week.


Some obserbations
1 .As a keen observer of Geopolitics, and I do write on these topic occasionally....IMHO Indian MEA has a hand in this affair. Remember Jaishankar was there in USA after that this happened.

2. Plane could have landed in Gujarat or Kerala also, but the plane landed in Amritsar. so there is a catch to it. and also a message.

3. There have been prior mass deportation of Indian Illgals in past. whats so special about this?


As for the Left Liberal and Congtards making a huge cry on this ... Oh ! this is so inhumane, 40 hours in chains. This was a vacation for them courtesy US military, compared that to the two months crossing of Darian Gap.

What i didnt like is a US military plane landed on our soil. Which should not have happened.

 

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3. Nope ! this is not a humiliation of India IMHO.

Excellent. That one line puts the lie in what the opposition is claiming

1 .As a keen observer of Geopolitics, and I do write on these topic occasionally....

Well, based on this crisp post I hope to see you posting more often

What i didnt like is a US military plane landed on our soil. Which should not have happened.

We have resupply & port sharing agreements with the US & other countries already which means refuel and food. So I suppose this comes under that.

What we don't have is the ability to replenish arms for a US military plane or ship.

 

[solo_wing]

my take on this.
1. illegals are illegals. Americans have every right to do what they did. Same applies to Illegals and Bangladeshi and Rohingyas . Question is when will our government have the will power to do this is the main Question.

Bangladeshi were allowed to stay back for vote bank politics by then Communist party of West Bengal ( cpim .
Mamta Banerjee had e en raised the issue but then once she got the power. She started using that for her vote bank.

In India ..we are enemies of each other. Our priority is not nation's interest but self Interest.

Here One will try to o something right the other will do everything to stop him even though knowing he is doing the right thing.

Just look at the opposition govt. Faced trying to recorrect something like historically wrong like article 370.

Plus now with WAQF board.
I am shocked learning about the powers given to WAQF board. What were they thinking..


Let me get this clear I am not favoring any political party here. They are all the same for me just that what is wrong is wrong whether done by BJP or Congress or others.

And it is not even rocket science to understand there are so much wrongs in these bills that was passed.