Market Feedback Infracted for Group Order

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Crazy_Eddy said:
If you guys feel the need to act ridiculous please go ahead. But don't throw your 'bovine manure' in here and try to insinuate we're morons as well :)

1. The infraction wasn't because it was just a GO or because he was eating into dealer margins or because the moon is made of cheese or any of your conspiracy theories (for the record, I noticed even a dealer ordered from one of his GOs). The infraction was for proxy GOs.
In other words, the dealer is very much active on the site and aware of our rules, but still using a couple of pawns like Punker to conduct his activities.

2. We do not need to 'come clean', neither are we asking you to be a judge. An infraction has been issued because we've already checked on the issue and given a verdict. The OP complained that its a mistake.. fine, we double-checked and our verdict stays the same. If there's anyone who has to come clean, its the OP.

You guys made bold claims like below, so I really assumed you guys knew what you were talking about and I had a second look. But now you're telling me you guys didn't have anything? What exactly inspired your comments? :huh: :-

The irony is, you falsely accuse the mods after you yourself said :
Sad indeed. I hope this will be the last of your unnecessary de-tours through the Feedback section.
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As big a fan I am of your literary skills, they dont make up for logic or proof.. Thanks for showing us what inspired the action. Im abundantly sure that you guys believe in being fair, thus i hoped that you'd have no problem in sharing the facts of the case, just incase the OP rings the foul play bell..

As for my unnecessary "detours" across the feedback threads, rest assured you'l be haunted much longer:P
 
Proxy sales or not, we generally would not encourage multiple GO's by the same person, as he is inadvertently or intently bypassing the dealer structure we have created here, leading to a natural disadvantage to the dealers who are playing fair here.

And dont get started on its helping the members etc, its been discussed countless times here. The community as good as the members, and vice-versa in this case, there is an economic model for a self-sustain of TE. So your idea of saving a few bucks in the GO is actually harming the community as a whole in the long run. We are not gonna keep having this discussion each and every time.. unless you have a better idea to economically help TE, we are not gonna allow consistent GO's Period.
 
Aces170 said:
Proxy sales or not, we generally would not encourage multiple GO's by the same person, as he is inadvertently or intently bypassing the dealer structure we have created here, leading to a natural disadvantage to the dealers who are playing fair here.

And dont get started on its helping the members etc, its been discussed countless times here. The community as good as the members, and vice-versa in this case, there is an economic model for a self-sustain of TE. So your idea of saving a few bucks in the GO is actually harming the community as a whole in the long run. We are not gonna keep having this discussion each and every time.. unless you have a better idea to economically help TE, we are not gonna allow consistent GO's Period.
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Is this the view of each and every person of the management?:@

You mean to say that, we should blindly accept what prices the dealers give us? I think you hav forgotten the market principle..

I suggest you reconsider what you said, If dealers hav such influence, i'd be rather skeptical of any judgement by mods in case of any disputes..Incase you dont give a shit abt the sentiments of the members then please say so, everyone has work to do, if the job of discussion is too taxing on a mod, then its better to hand over the job to the next best person..
 
You mean to say that, we should blindly accept what prices the dealers give us? I think you hav forgotten the market principle..

I suggest you reconsider what you said, If dealers hav such influence, i'd be rather skeptical of any judgement by mods in case of any disputes..
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Nope you dont have to accept anything, nothing is being forced. Frankly speaking you are arguing the same points across from a previous feedback..

Dealers dont have any influence, the dealer structure was started by TE, and not the dealers, we are just standing by to what was created..

As I said, unless you have an alternative to the arrangement dont keep arguing on the same points again and again. You are not able to get the concept that the community is larger then individuals, dealers are doing in general a benefit to the community in the long run. If we cannot be fair to dealers, we should not be having a dealer structure, now I am not sure how many apart from you are against the dealer structure.

I will repeat the example again: Indian government levies duties on imported items, now smuggling the goods is fair according to you, but its not the right thing. Now if you say get done with the duties, I ask you again do you have any alternate financing for the government? The TE dealer structure though vastly different follows the same principle.

If you really want support on this, be more direct and open a poll for the end of dealer structure, if a large majority agrees, as well as a successful donation is made, we might consider your decision, till then. nopes GO's are entertained, but if a member keeps having consistent GO we have to treat as a rouge dealer trying to circumvent TE.
 
@ party monger - why offend with substance when you can do it with style eh :P

An infarction is not a jail or death sentence. They can be taken back, and no one will ever know except from the fuss you made yourself punker.

Just post the bills and lets get this over with - It's been over a week :)
 
And to the point of being partial, hmm lets just say you will be amazed at the amount of warnings/infractions dished out to the dealers :) Dealers have to abide by all the rules pertaining to members. TE is not a business portal, I am stressing on the fact again dealers are just a mode to make TE self-sufficient, but when we are doing something, we have to do it the right way.
 
Party Monger said:
.. we should blindly accept what prices the dealers give us? I think you hav forgotten the market principle..
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The basic market principle is "L1 wins". If u see a deal which u feel and/or know is not fair, what makes you think a dealer is gonna sustain?

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As a wise man once said, "thats beside the point actually anyway.. hes saying that we are forcing him to buy from dealers and stiffling the member GOs. I dont think we are doing anything like that. Its only dealers conducting proxy deals thats forbidden otherwise he can go anywhere and buy whatever he wants"
 
Just to clarify, Aces was a bit mistaken - TE is not dependant on dealer's fees for self-sustenance at all, never was and hopefully never will be.

The amount from dealer's fees has always been put back into serving members via contests, t-shirts, etc and NOT for TE's hosting or anything related. We have even clearly outlined that funds are going back to the community in our Dealer's Paradise page.

So if there is a dealer who has been bypassing dealer's paradise.. he isn't cheating us, he's cheating YOU.

I'm not even sure why this whole angle of 'dealer influence' has been brought in. It wasn't a dealer who complained, but few fellow members who know and respect the system in place.

BTW Party Monger, I had a look at your iTrader rating and as per the ratings you haven't even traded a single thing on the forum - so why all the tamasha?
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
Just to clarify, Aces was a bit mistaken - TE is not dependant on dealer's fees for self-sustenance at all, never was and hopefully never will be.

The amount from dealer's fees has always been put back into serving members via contests, t-shirts, etc and NOT for TE's hosting or anything related. We have even clearly outlined that funds are going back to the community in our Dealer's Paradise page.
So if there is a dealer who has been bypassing dealer's paradise.. he isn't cheating us, he's cheating YOU.

I'm not even sure why this whole angle of 'dealer influence' has been brought in. It wasn't a dealer who complained, but few fellow members who know and respect the system in place.

BTW Party Monger, I had a look at your iTrader rating and as per the ratings you haven't even traded a single thing on the forum - so why all the tamasha?
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Oh so im supposed to save my honour now? I've done a few deals, like pendrives and dvds, hdds, graphics cards and cds and now headphone, but no itrader involved..and BTW, since when did itrader become a benchmark?

Do i need to hav X number to iTrader ratings under my belt to comment on market related threads and give opinions?

YOu're really taking this thread to somewhere that wont leave a happy ending, let alone making it personal..I hav no personal vendetta against any one here if thats what feeding the fire in your mind..You can go through the 2k posts to confirm that..

Thanks for the clarification, i've heard other mods and admins saying the same, so was shocked when Aces said that..

@greenhorn:- I read you mate, at more than one level :P
 
^ Best to set the record straight rather than have repeated threads on the same IMHO :)

Party Monger said:
BTW, since when did itrader become a benchmark?
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There's nothing personal at all. I just had a look through your iTrader rating to see if this whole thing was affecting you in some way or if you've been part of GOs which you found useful. I found nothing, so was surprised you were complaining about it. If you deal a lot, do make use of the iTrader system.
 
Party Monger said:
Oh so im supposed to save my honour now? I've done a few deals, like pendrives and dvds, hdds, graphics cards and cds and now headphone, but no itrader involved..and BTW, since when did itrader become a benchmark?

Do i need to hav X number to iTrader ratings under my belt to comment on market related threads and give opinions?

YOu're really taking this thread to somewhere that wont leave a happy ending, let alone making it personal..I hav no personal vendetta against any one here if thats what feeding the fire in your mind..You can go through the 2k posts to confirm that..

Thanks for the clarification, i've heard other mods and admins saying the same, so was shocked when Aces said that..

@greenhorn:- I read you mate, at more than one level :P
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Mate, When your a guest in ur friend's house you have to be polite to them and abide their instructions and rules r8?. its not a written thing but assumed. You may have to obey the gate keeper to the house lord. You may not understand the whole thing and may even find some weird but u got to follow them.

Take this also like that. Everyone may not under stand you but some do, that you think GO's from members should be entertained as long as its good for others. but hey the gate keepers to house lord have said some rules are there on how to do things and you have to follow them. Its theirs to enforce. :)

Let it go.:hap2:. coz even the OP is not bothering anymore :(
 
^^ Gate keepers? Lords? lolwut??

The way a member sees the forum is completely different from how the mods see it. They are not lord or "gate keepers" and its best if they aren't termed that way. Mods have to take the decision based on how the situation manifests itself and based on their experience on the forum and with the members. Some people seriously need to get a proper day job rather than trying to pick up fights in the feedback section pouring their "emotional breakdown". Members who have seen this forum grow and become overpopulated would agree that such hard decisions has to be taken with swift action so that people won't manipulate and corrupt the foundation, especially the trade sections. It doesn't make mods as a very popular figure, but they (especially our mods) are best when they have to make a call.

Please lock the thread. Op has vented out the frustrations and mods have answered accurately. I wouldn't have posted here if one of the troll posters was here and trying to bend words to make it appear to the readers as if the mods are the bad guys. The way I see it, its pointless that mods should reason out with trolls in most of the feedback section threads. Its becoming pretty lame that we have so many people having "foot in the mouth" syndrome.
 
The Sorcerer said:
^^ Gate keepers? Lords? lolwut??
The way a member sees the forum is completely different from how the mods see it. They are not lord or "gate keepers" and its best if they aren't termed that way. Mods have to take the decision based on how the situation manifests itself and based on their experience on the forum and with the members. Some people seriously need to get a proper day job rather than trying to pick up fights in the feedback section pouring their "emotional breakdown". Members who have seen this forum grow and become overpopulated would agree that such hard decisions has to be taken with swift action so that people won't manipulate and corrupt the foundation, especially the trade sections. It doesn't make mods as a very popular figure, but they (especially our mods) are best when they have to make a call.
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For each its own ideas. :hap2:
 
if i'm not mistaken wasn't there something mentioned in the rules about member go's that a member not registered as a dealer will at any time have just max two running go's only?

i think it was made so that dealers dont circumvent the dealer system. i tried to search it but cant find it anywhere.
 
The Sorcerer said:
^^ Gate keepers? Lords? lolwut??

The way a member sees the forum is completely different from how the mods see it. They are not lord or "gate keepers" and its best if they aren't termed that way. Mods have to take the decision based on how the situation manifests itself and based on their experience on the forum and with the members. Some people seriously need to get a proper day job rather than trying to pick up fights in the feedback section pouring their "emotional breakdown". Members who have seen this forum grow and become overpopulated would agree that such hard decisions has to be taken with swift action so that people won't manipulate and corrupt the foundation, especially the trade sections. It doesn't make mods as a very popular figure, but they (especially our mods) are best when they have to make a call.

Please lock the thread. Op has vented out the frustrations and mods have answered accurately. I wouldn't have posted here if one of the troll posters was here and trying to bend words to make it appear to the readers as if the mods are the bad guys. The way I see it, its pointless that mods should reason out with trolls in most of the feedback section threads. Its becoming pretty lame that we have so many people having "foot in the mouth" syndrome.
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Wow, why dont you read what you write and see if it makes any sense to you? Last i heard, you were a wannabe writer?

As for making the mods look bad, they have much more sense than you do, i have no interest in making anyone here look bad..

i think even the mods will agree to that..When you take action against someone you need proof, if you have the will to take action, proof must be presented, atleast in a fair community thats how things go(And i have every reason to believe TE is a fair community)..Instead of finding personal vendetta of people posting here, why not take the essence of their posts?

Many people here, whom you call trolls, would rather be called trolls than see TE goin the wrong way, and each has his own perception of what this way is.

I feel member GO's are a check mechanism for keeping in control greedy dealers(if they decide to become greedy that is :P)
 
Party monger, I see you've decided to take on punker's case pro bono.

Interestingly, the defendant hasnt said anything of late. Apart from your posts, and their responses, there isnt much else happening. I would have also have asked the thread to be locked, but you seem to have a lot to say, and you'd start a thread in GT to that effect anyway, so it would be pointless.

I'm sure we agree on the following points.

1. If you wish to sell goods here commercially, you need to register as a trader.

2. members are free to create GO's for deals which they think are good. The buyers would decide if a GO is worth participating in.

3. It is not right for a dealer to conduct a GO masquerading as a member , or using one as a proxy.This would be evident once a member starts giving GO's regularly.

4. members deserve the best prices the market can give.Sometimes a person can get hold of good prices , even if they are not acting on behalf of any dealer.

5.If #3 & #4 were to conflict, I guess it would be decided on a case by case basis. We've had cases of both. Like predatorvj and 200mph.I'm sure both were resolved with the best interests of the general public :P

punker's case is yet to be decided. He has not provided his proof. The mod team has.

We are awaiting punker's bill.

And the issue here is ...

Punker got infarcted prematurely? well, like i said , it can be reversed. And if you really have issues, I'm sure the mod team doesnt mind apologizing.

That you/I can get infarcted prematurely? Well, we still get a fair chance to defend ourselves dont we ? Its not like we're banned or anything, or some sort of permanent black mark.
 
Party Monger said:
I feel member GO's are a check mechanism for keeping in control greedy dealers(if they decide to become greedy that is :P)
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:hap2::hap2::hap2::ohyeah::ohyeah::ohyeah:
 
greenhorn said:
Party monger, I see you've decided to take on punker's case pro bono.

Interestingly, the defendant hasnt said anything of late. Apart from your posts, and their responses, there isnt much else happening. I would have also have asked the thread to be locked, but you seem to have a lot to say, and you'd start a thread in GT to that effect anyway, so it would be pointless.

I'm sure we agree on the following points.

1. If you wish to sell goods here commercially, you need to register as a trader.

2. members are free to create GO's for deals which they think are good. The buyers would decide if a GO is worth participating in.

3. It is not right for a dealer to conduct a GO masquerading as a member , or using one as a proxy.This would be evident once a member starts giving GO's regularly.

4. members deserve the best prices the market can give.Sometimes a person can get hold of good prices , even if they are not acting on behalf of any dealer.

5.If #3 & #4 were to conflict, I guess it would be decided on a case by case basis. We've had cases of both. Like predatorvj and 200mph.I'm sure both were resolved with the best interests of the general public :P

punker's case is yet to be decided. He has not provided his proof. The mod team has.

We are awaiting punker's bill.

And the issue here is ...

Punker got infarcted prematurely? well, like i said , it can be reversed. And if you really have issues, I'm sure the mod team doesnt mind apologizing.

That you/I can get infarcted prematurely? Well, we still get a fair chance to defend ourselves dont we ? Its not like we're banned or anything, or some sort of permanent black mark.
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Well i took it to be point (5) till the mods provided the proof...since then im fine..If they provided the proof, it was for the community not just for me, here things are being made into trust issues..

I have no problem if this thread gets closed..only point is that if you even find someone guilty, PM'ing for proof of innocence is a better way, its like the recent case that was taken up in courts, that of undertrails being handcuffed even before they were found guilty..Thats a sort of guilty until proved innocent thingie, which IMO is unfair..But im not holding that as an issue for keeping this thread open,mods please do close it..
 
well, now that's settled, can this thread be closed till punker has something to say?

Though I'm curious @ the mods. Was punker given a chance to prove his case ( as party monger says he wasnt) to prove his innocence before he was infarcted ?
 
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