iOS 4 Gold is here, iPhone 3G getting the cold shoulder on new features

[GameNome]

ya indians buy a lotta junk. An average indian user cares more abt phones stuffed with useless features or half -ass implementation of feature rather than usability.I just hope indian consumers will get smarter as time goes on just like the rest of the world.After all these are meant for people who have loads of time to waste around.

the iphone costs 25000 more than the average symbian phone, ofcourse it will be better. maybe that is affordable for you but the average indian will have to make do with junk i suppose, junk that can do everything an iphone can albeit with few microseconds slower response time.

 

[agantuk]

^ Junk that can do MORE than what an iPhone can, but without the "look at me, I am so cute, so sweet, so pinky, so lovable" looks

 

[Powersurge]

^ Junk that can do MORE than what an iPhone can, but without the "look at me, I am so cute, so sweet, so pinky, so lovable" looks

With such flawless arguments, I don't think any iPhone user should even try to argue/rebutt things being said here.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

the fragmentation that will liekely occur with the introduction iOS4 will be nowhere near as bad as that faced by current android.So stop equating the two.Even the original model enjoyed support for over 3 yrs. and tyhat's more than what i can ask for.On the other hand many android phones bought early this year can't be upgraded to android 2.2.

My point, even without fragmentation, upgrading to major versions of the firmware is pointless. Every such upgrade will only degrade the performance on older phones. So iOS4 on iPhone 3G is pointless. Half-assed support is worse than none. The typical life of a iPhone even as per Apple is one year and Apple actively encourages you buy a new phone every year by unlocking essential features that were locked in previous version and secondly make the old phones less usable for those new features. An android phone on the other hand, despite fragmentation is usable for all the essential features out of the box. If you have Android 2.1, it would be nice if they can upgrade to 2.2, but people can make do without it even if the update is not available as along as the current version they have is stable. So practically I see a stable Android phone without any updates still having a avg life greater than an iPhone.

ya indians buy a lotta junk. An average indian user cares more abt phones stuffed with useless features or half -ass implementation of feature rather than usability.I just hope indian consumers will get smarter as time goes on just like the rest of the world.After all these are meant for people who have loads of time to waste around.

Americans buy a lot of junk and so do a few Americanized Indians. Majority of Indians are very conscious about the value for money and hence buy phones that offer them every thing they want for the best price possible. Yes there are also many who buy the cheapest junk available, but then they do not spend a premium on junk. As for usability we all know how almost every phone (even the cheapo ones) has essential features that iPhone lacked till a while back.

Seriously not having copy/paste support for so long and iPhone users even justified it by saying that they don't have any use for it and then when Apple added it officially, they were exited about it and many happily started using it. Copy/paste was one of the basic essential features that I used heavily on my previous phone back since 2004 and even before that I had a Motorola phone which was not a smart phone, but still supported a very basic from of copy pasting across select apps. Similarly there are many other things that iPhone users claimed they can make do without. That really always made me wonder how many of these so called iPhone users who bought the phone for "usability" use their phones for anything other than making phone calls.

 

[tracerbullet]

Seriously not having copy/paste support for so long and iPhone users even justified it by saying that they don't have any use for it and then when Apple added it officially, they were exited about it and many happily started using it. Copy/paste was one of the basic essential features that I used heavily on my previous phone back since 2004 and even before that I had a Motorola phone which was not a smart phone, but still supported a very basic from of copy pasting across select apps. Similarly there are many other things that iPhone users claimed they can make do without. That really always made me wonder how many of these so called iPhone users who bought the phone for "usability" use their phones for anything other than making phone calls.

Dude, from a guy who's not an iPhone user, you really need to stop crying about the lack of copy-paste. Sorry for my arrogance, but I can speak on the behalf of most iPhone users here. The answer is "prioritising". It's as simple as that. The good features of the iPhone outweigh its flaws. It's seriously that simple and logical. Like I said in my earlier post, just make your own inferences by looking at the market share. I don't remember the exact numbers, but over 30% of the users in America use iPhones. These users aren't fanboys who just go out and buy iPhones because they want to prove a point to the rest of the world. You'll be surprised but lots of my uncles and aunts living in the US have iPhones. And I don't think they even know the meaning of fanboy or fangirl.

The iPhone didn't have copy-paste when it started. Yeah it sucked. But it did many other wondrous things that made people go out and buy the phone. I was one of them. I just learned to live with that flaw. Other phones did offer copy-paste but they didn't give me the rich multimedia and internet experience I was looking for. It's not that big a deal dude. The K750i for example, was a marvellous phone, but it sucked on the internet front. Surfing was a lot more fun those days on large-screen WinMo phones. Still I loved the K750i for its better aspects, like the camera and music departments. It's all about priority. So get over it.

 

[Gannu]

IDK but Lord Nemesis seriously hates and disregards whatever product Apple churns out. Been noticing it in a lot of threads offlately.

I for one do not miss the copy-paste feature. What is it that you do so much copy-pasting with? Folder structure? Photos? Music?

 

[Manomax]

What about iPhone 3GS?

 

[Lord Nemesis]

@tracerbullet: Its exactly as you said. I never said every one who buys an iPhone is a fanboi. There are people who buy iPhone's because of their own priorities and preferences. They simply wanted an easy to use Internet/multimedia phone and they can live with the flaws which are not on their list of priorities. So what do they do? on forums, they trash every other phone/platform in the market which have different priorities than their own. The flaws you can afford to ignore, others may not afford to ignore and so they prefer other platforms and to them iPhone looks like trash. So if people have right to call symbain or Android trash because they do not suit their priorities, people can all iPhone trash based their priorities. Its only natural don't you think? For me any phone without a memory card slot is trash and that applies not just to iPhone but to Nokia X6 and any other phone. For me Symbian and Android /Phones are better platforms than iOS/iPhone because of my priories. So its people like you and smoky who need to get over it and handle criticism better and stop crying when your platform of choice is trashed by others for reasons that are not on your list of priorities. You cannot expect everyone to accept everything based on your priorities.

When I made this thread, someone came in and posted that this is a pointless thread. Why was it a pointless thread. Obviously the author of the blog post who is himself an iPhone user found the topic important enough to write and discuss about it. It may have been pointless to the guy as it does not affect him, but it was still something that showed to the rest of us that Fragmentation is not as big an issue for most as some made it out to be as there are other reasons due to which the advantages are lost. Instead of discussing on the issue of fragmentation, iPhone users saw it fit to trash the Symbian platform instead. Now what to you say about that.

I for one do not miss the copy-paste feature. What is it that you do so much copy-pasting with? Folder structure? Photos? Music?

I used it mostly for getting text quickly across apps. I used my phone for every thing from watch/alarm clock to a PDA with TODO lists, editing/making last minute changes to documents, composing e-mail etc.

IDK but Lord Nemesis seriously hates and disregards whatever product Apple churns out. Been noticing it in a lot of threads offlately.

I see tech products for what they are and what they offer to me or to a particular category of users and not by face value/marketing hype regardless of whoever makes them. I don't disregard products because they are made by Apple. I admired the Apple of the 80's and although they have been known to have stolen technology from others, they have always put it to good use and delivered outstanding products. The company I work for always had close ties with Apple dating back to the Apple III days and was one of the companies which popularized Apple platforms with exclusive profession publishing software. Having worked for many hears as a Mac/Windows developer with my company, I have good enough contact with Apple hardware/software and their developer support. In fact I am typing this from a 20" iMac that I use as my primary workstation. There are products that were good like Mac OS 9, Mac OS X till Panther, Mac Book Pro's, XServe Raid system etc. At the same time I don't have a good impression of many of their other products released after 1997 like iPod, iMac, iPhone, iPad etc. Then there are also crappy products like every Mac OS X release after Panther. All I see in them is Apple selling mediocre/evolutionary products though great marketing and most often to people who don't even understand or have need of what they are buying into. While there are people who buy their products for valid reasons of their own, there are also an insane amount of gullible people in their eco system. Why do you think so many developers want to run their business around the Apple app store, its not just because its great or convenient for them, but mainly because its the place where you find people insane or gullible enough to buy an app that does nothing for $999. Its the kind of market that anyone developer would want if the wants to make money. I am pissed off when people (or so called fanboi's) who don't even know the history of Apple or the technologies they use run around on forums/tech portals mis-attributing every technology to Apple and ridiculing other companies that were responsible for the technologies used in Apple products, but at the same time, I also admire the way Apple managed to brainwash those people with marketing. Marketing wise, I consider Apple to the ultimate company that anyone else can only dream of equaling. As far as their products are concerned, I loved a few of them and for the rest, I don't hate them, but I don't have a good impression of them either.

 

[tracerbullet]

For me any phone without a memory card slot is trash and that applies not just to iPhone but to Nokia X6 and any other phone. For me Symbian and Android /Phones are better platforms than iOS/iPhone because of my priories. So its people like you and smoky who need to get over it and handle criticism better and stop crying when your platform of choice is trashed by others for reasons that are not on your list of priorities. You cannot expect everyone to accept everything based on your priorities.

Fair enough.

All I'm saying is 1) stop crying over features that have already been fixed. It just makes your argument lame and make you come across more as a hateboy than anything else. 2) You also need to understand that your perspective as a developer is very different from that of a consumer. There's no doubt about it. You might rave about Symbian, how theoretically good it is blah blah blah but the consumer needs to find this out for themself, software potential and implementation are wholly different and exclusive of each other.

iPhone users saw it fit to trash the Symbian platform instead. Now what to you say about that.

3) I also think you suffer from a persecution complex. No one's gunning for you on this thread. It's not "iPhone vs Symbian" as you're making it out to be. I offered my thoughts on how Symbian is failing and other platforms are gaining ground. It doesn't have anything to do with me or Smoky being an iPhone user. The statistics are out there for the world to see. In fact, I only have praises for Android at this point. The only thing that's keeping me to my iPhone are the apps. I don't think any other mobile app store will come close to the App Store for a while - a year possibly, if not longer. You as a developer ought to know that better than me.

Last, I take open offence to this statement of yours

I see tech products for what they are and what they offer to me or to a particular category of users and not by face value/marketing hype regardless of whoever makes them.

as it implies that others do not see tech products for what they are. Please avoid the arrogant and pseudo-superior stand. You see tech products from your perspective. Probably a very limited, pro-Symbian and paisa-vasool perspective at that, from what I've managed to eke off your posts. I'm not interested in continuing this discussion unless you shed the airs you have about yourself.

Americans buy a lot of junk and so do a few Americanized Indians. Majority of Indians are very conscious about the value for money and hence buy phones that offer them every thing they want for the best price possible. Yes there are also many who buy the cheapest junk available, but then they do not spend a premium on junk. As for usability we all know how almost every phone (even the cheapo ones) has essential features that iPhone lacked till a while back.

I'm surprised no one else managed to notice this garbage you wrote. Americans buy a lot of junk and so do a few americanised Indians?? This coming from a "Lord Nemesis" sitting in Mohali? Seriously, get off your high horse. You may be in denial about it, but you spike lots of your posts with camouflaged flame baits and then you complain when other members retort back. You started this thread about the iPhone and you progressed it into Android fragmentation and how Symbian is better. Here's another gem taken from one of your posts:

Some times I kind of feel pity for people who are brainwashed to such an extent that they turn into Apple controlled Internet bots.

Most iPhone users are not geeks and quite often very ill informed about technology.

Every post of yours is masked with flame baits. It's downright ridiculous.

 

[YoGi-Sama]

Unfortunately, according to some people, everyone who buys an iPhone is either a fanboy or a fool with too much money... so since theoretically or on-paper certain platform is superior some people think it's valid to trash others just because either they didn't use or didn't find it appealing.

I am using iPhone 2G since it came out and it's been what, over 3 years already? talk about value... The last phone I used for almost this long (2+ years) was K750i. Now let me just evaluate this from money point (please note that this is pure personal evaluation)... I bought k750i for 18.5k and used it for 2 years and 4 months, then iPhone 2G for (4GB) 12.5k and been using it for 3 years . So you really want to me to do the math about the value here? Apple may release new iPhone every year, doesn't mean that you MUST change yours every year. Since the original software till today (iOS 3.1.3) I got free updates. I didn't get many new features but I got enough essential (new and basic) features and nothing that stopped me from doing basic things. I see it as tremendous value. Yes, my iPhone is not as fast as it was two years go, but it's not slow enough to stop me doing my daily things on it.... guess what, even without iOS 4 I can pretty much use this same phone for another year till either it dies or my itch to get new phone wins (which is more likely to happen sooner than later).

I had said this before and I'll say it again. Thanks to the advancements in hardware and software in mobile devices, you really can't go wrong with any platform that you choose. Buy whatever you like and let others be happy about whatever they buy. If anyone asks you your opinion about something, by all means give it. But what's the point in relentlessly bashing certain brand or company or device just because YOU don't like it. How does that make you any different than fanboy, apart from the prefix "anti" before the "fanboy"?

It's like fighting over AMD 6-core and Intel 6-core processor... both are great and more than powerful enough most of the users. So why bash Intel just because you love AMD and vice versa.

Seriously, Apple/iPhone bashing is so in fashion these days... just like once upon a time it was cool to bash Microsoft night and days over windows.

 

[tracerbullet]

My issue is that Lord Nemesis is no longer trashing the platform but trashing the people that use the platform. That's a plain messed up thing to do. It's like me saying "Pro-symbian developers are nerds who never get laid". If I did say that, I'd be asking for backlash, and I'd have to be very insecure in general to judge other people like that. Take for instance, his gem of a statement that I quoted in my previous post. "Most iPhone users are not geeks and quite often very ill-informed about technology." Am I missing something here? That statement is so general and applicable to any field, it's not funny. I could say, "most cell phone users are not geeks and quite often very ill-informed about technology" and get away it, given India's 1 billion population and cell phone penetration. "Most computer users are not geeks and quite often very ill-informed about technology." "Most car mechanics are not geeks and quite often very ill-informed about technology." "Most of Mohali's residents are not geeks and quite often very ill-informed about technology". Anyone can play that game.

 

[djmykey]

Buy what ever u wanna buy; just stop whining already....

 

[smoky004]

the iphone costs 25000 more than the average symbian phone, ofcourse it will be better. maybe that is affordable for you but the average indian will have to make do with junk i suppose, junk that can do everything an iphone can albeit with few microseconds slower response time.

I wasn't talking abt low or medium end phones but so-called high models offered by nokia.many indian users only pay attention to the specs of the phone....i know many friends who bought a nokia,sammy,etc,etc. only because it has an 8 MP camera.For them that was enough to warrant the premium price of that phone.

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The only thing that's keeping me to my iPhone are the apps. I don't think any other mobile app store will come close to the App Store for a while - a year possibly, if not longer.

Same here...the reason i love the iphone is because of the app store and the amazing games it offers.Frankly if windows 7 phones offer better apps and games in the future i will move to that.but i will never ever purchase a nokia or for that matter any phone running symbian poop.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

I think you seriously need a realty check. While I would like to ignore posts like your own, I think I shouldn't...

All I'm saying is 1) stop crying over features that have already been fixed. It just makes your argument lame and make you come across more as a hateboy than anything else. 2) You also need to understand that your perspective as a developer is very different from that of a consumer. There's no doubt about it. You might rave about Symbian, how theoretically good it is blah blah blah but the consumer needs to find this out for themself, software potential and implementation are wholly different and exclusive of each other.

Who's crying? I am not crying. its people like yourself who seem to be crying when I pointed out some obvious facts. I talked about copy paste being missing, its unlocked now, but it doesn't change the fact that it was missing for two years when Symbian had it. Isn't that a fact? I stated a fact and you cried that I should not bother taking about a feature that is not so important to YOU. And Yeah, I can look at things from multiple perspectives. Not just a developers, and that's why I can appreciate Apple as a great business while I will most probably not buy any of their technologically inferior and poor quality products except maybe for a few that are not so. I do understand the kind of market Apple caters to. Even as a consumer, my view of iPhone does not not change. As a matter of fact, You are yourself stereotyping all consumers into one group which is not the case. Not everyone is after an easy to use UI or one app at a time system. Every one has their preferences.

3) I also think you suffer from a persecution complex. No one's gunning for you on this thread. It's not "iPhone vs Symbian" as you're making it out to be. I offered my thoughts on how Symbian is failing and other platforms are gaining ground. It doesn't have anything to do with me or Smoky being an iPhone user. The statistics are out there for the world to see. In fact, I only have praises for Android at this point. The only thing that's keeping me to my iPhone are the apps. I don't think any other mobile app store will come close to the App Store for a while - a year possibly, if not longer. You as a developer ought to know that better than me.

Yes this was not a iPhone vs Symbian thread, then the first iPhone user who visited the thread left a comment that its a pointless thread (post was deleted) and then another wanted to discuss how Nokia and symbain is crap and it should not be compared to iOS. Did I object to that? When you offered your thoughts on symbian, I offered my own. As you said the statistics are the proof by themselves and they show that symbian still retains a majority of the market and while the market share has decreased slightly, the vol of sales for symbian has in fact increased during the last year. I even posted a link showing those statistics in another thread.

Last, I take open offence to this statement of yours as it implies that others do not see tech products for what they are. Please avoid the arrogant and pseudo-superior stand. You see tech products from your perspective. Probably a very limited, pro-Symbian and paisa-vasool perspective at that, from what I've managed to eke off your posts. I'm not interested in continuing this discussion unless you shed the airs you have about yourself.

Did I say anything about you? Did I say anything about anyone else. I am talking about myself. Yes, As a matter of fact, I see a lot of people who don't see products for what they are and its not limited to Apple consumers either. If you need a realty check, take a look around gsmarena and for that matter of fact any tech discussion portal/forum. I see tech products from a neutral view. I am not taken in by hype. I give credit to company where they deserve it. If I say that symbian is superior in many ways, I also accepted it lacks in UI and also said that technical superiority does not always win the market. If I have said something negative about apple, there are also many threads where I defended apple and their business model. I don't see where arrogance comes into the picture. Its you wants to stereo type me as a arrogant pro-symbian and narrow minded just because I don't agree with your point of view.

I'm surprised no one else managed to notice this garbage you wrote. Americans buy a lot of junk and so do a few americanised Indians?? This coming from a "Lord Nemesis" sitting in Mohali? Seriously, get off your high horse. You may be in denial about it, but you spike lots of your posts with camouflaged flame baits and then you complain when other members retort back.

Did you bother to check the post for which it was a reply to. I guess you conveniently ignored that. The guy says that Indians buy a lot of junk. So I corrected him. Isn't it true that Americans buy a lot of junk. Most Indians cannot afford to do that. Yes, a few with money to burn can. but not most people. As far I am concerned, its a trend I have observed personally and I stated that. Don't see how or why its a flame bait?

You started this thread about the iPhone and you progressed it into Android fragmentation and how Symbian is better. Here's another gem taken from one of your posts:

Kindly bother to read my initial post, This thread was not just for info, I already mentioned there that this link proves that not having fragmentation is not an advantage by a long shot. When someone wanted to discuss how symbian/Nokia phones are crap, I replied to him.

Every post of yours is masked with flame baits. It's downright ridiculous.

No they were not intended as flame baits, they were retorts (to flame baits if judged by your own standard) based on truth/observations of my own. I guess its a matter of how you want to see it.

Some times I kind of feel pity for people who are brainwashed to such an extent that they turn into Apple controlled Internet bots.

That comment was reply to a post that has been deleted. It was really the kind of standard Internet bot like posts made by Apple fanboi's on most forums/portals I frequent. Hence my comment. I don't regret it, not one bit.

Most iPhone users are not geeks and quite often very ill informed about technology.

Did I ever mention 'All', I did use the word 'Most' right?. It was a personal observation of mine and I stand by it. If you want a realty check, go checkout gsmarena or any other site frequented by iPhone users. Check the quality/know how in comments made by a majority of iPhone users. There was this guy who claimed that Apple invented touch screens and everyone else copied. When someone showed him that Apple did not invent touch screens nor even multi-touch, His reaction was to immediately conclude that the guy's momma must be a whore in a third world country and the guy does not know anything and he knows better. That's the quality of comments I see from iphone users, can you blame me for my inference. If you want to say that majority of iPhone users do not even visit technology sites, then that in it self a proof of what I said.

The bottom line is that I am fed up with people like your self. I think people like you take it as a personal assault from the start when ever someone criticizes/says anything remotely negative about your favorite platform/company. Even more so if that thread has anything to do with Apple. I have seen MS fans/Sony fans fight silly, but say something about apple or their products and all hell breaks loose. Its alright to defend your choices with facts/alternative personal views, even retorts, you don't have to get personal over it. Even in course of discussions, If I comment anything about iPhone users as a collective based on my own observations, I use terms like 'Most iPhone users' or Fanbois which means that I leave room for exceptions (because I know there are exceptions), why don't you see it fit to consider your self an exception if the comment does not apply to you. But no, you see yourself fitting that group that the comment was targeted at. On the other hand you see it fit to point to an individual and call him arrogant, hater and what ever you please to call. So go ahead, I am not bothered. Yeah I may really be arrogant as you say, what can I say, Its hereditary trait :ashamed:, but I am not an Apple hater. If I am a hater, I would hate every product/aspect and the company itself. I wouldn't be working with my company on Apple platforms every day nor acknowledge/admire certain products/aspects of the company.

iGO: people are not stereotyped as fanboi's on a whim by other people. Its how they behave that gets them classified as fanboi's. You are yourself pro apple product/tech guy and we both had our share of conflict of views and discussions, but you always defended your views in a sane manner, did I ever call you a fanboi? Despite conflict in views, I respect you even if I don't always agree with your views.

As for your point about people calling platforms trash, isn't that what smoky had to say about Symbian because it didn't fit his priorities? You have to understand that it goes both ways. If there are people who find symbian trash, there would be people who find iOS, Android or Win Mobile trash. What people find useless to them is trash to them. It may not be trash to other people. You throw away a lot of stuff as trash every days. A trash collector views the same stuff as if its a gold mine.

Mods: Please close this thread. I intended this thread to serve as proof that fragmentation is a trivial issue for mobile platforms in light of hardware inflexibility (since the topic was in discussion here and some other places I visited) and for any discussion related to the same. Instead it has turned into a war zone and at the end its not even pertaining to the topic in question. I can see that just like most other places, no sane discussion can be had here about any aspect that remotely or even indirectly shows Apple products/technology in a negative light.

 

[abbY]

^ I think the above post deserves a reward, if nothing for its sheer size.

 

[tracerbullet]

Did I say anything about you? Did I say anything about anyone else.

This is not about you and me. And yes, you did say a lot of things about many other people. I am talking about your attitude in general of making judgement calls on other people. You do that in most of your posts (that I've read). Anyway, I'm going to gracefully yield as I think you've missed the point of my posts. I'd suggest that you give them another read if you have the inclination. G'night.

 

[Shripad]

the fragmentation that will liekely occur with the introduction iOS4 will be nowhere near as bad as that faced by current android.So stop equating the two.Even the original model enjoyed support for over 3 yrs. and tyhat's more than what i can ask for.On the other hand many android phones bought early this year can't be upgraded to android 2.2.

ya indians buy a lotta junk. An average indian user cares more abt phones stuffed with useless features or half -ass implementation of feature rather than usability.I just hope indian consumers will get smarter as time goes on just like the rest of the world.After all these are meant for people who have loads of time to waste around.

Isnt that just plain wrong ??
First coming to the indian consumer.

For any consumer, regardless if he is Indian or American or british, money matters. Most people simply wont be able to spend more than certain budget they have in their mind regardless the features something offers. There is nothing like unlimited budget. Everyone has certain budget and he buys what works for him.
Symbian works in asian markets. It used to work even in USA before BB and iPhone came in.

Take a look at country like Japan, country known for notoriously tech savvy consumers. Nokia is almost non existent there. But still symbian is doing well there thanks to like of NTT DOCOMO.

Here in India regardless how good iOS interface is, people simply wont be spending 35-40k+ on a new unsubsidised and yet locked phone every year or every alternate year.
Then take example of my father. He is not short on cash, he can buy iPhone, but he will still never spend more than 20k on a phone. And he will never buy a second hand phone either and neither will he buy a touch screen phone. Still he wants a smartphone that has GPS, email, Maps and navigation and good calender. He is using E series for last 4 years now since E50 and swears by it.

Its very easy to forget that touch screen phones are not ideal or suitable for everyone.

This is where BB and Nokia, other symbian and feature phones come into picture and does so well in Indian and asian market.
And have you used Android handsets yourself?
If you had, you wont have the image of fragmentation in your mind.
In last 2 years I have used Magic, Hero, Spica, Nexus, Milestone, X10 and Desire. Everyone of these had different hardware with slightly varying features and ranging from midbudget to high end price tag. But you know what? I used same basic apps on all of them. And they worked just fine.
In gaming, old phones and cheaper android devices suffer. But thats the beauty of this platform. You can choose your phone according to your budget and the extra features you want or dont want.
Even phone like Spica thats worth 12.5k had all basic functionality that a 30grand phone had including GPS, Accelerometer, MP3 player, capacitive touch screen (though not as good as expensive ones), wifi, magnetometer and had same basic and fluid interface like expensive counterpart. while maintaining low cost.

So there you have it, a crude yet functionally brilliant phone, as well as beauties like N1 and Desire on same basic platform. Consumer gets to choose what they want.

Same goes for symbian. Nokia has brilliant devices for 10-15k budget in the form of E series. Only a fool will say an E55 is a bad device for 13k. its a brilliant device for that price and you get lots of features in that size, price range and with fantastic built quality. Sure, interface is now showing signs of age but the people who are using it for years feel its easier to operate than iPhone or even Android. Its a brilliant communication and email, video conferencing device that just works out of the box as it should and will ever be.

Its comments like this that invites the remarks from the users of other platforms and a thread turns into flame-war. And irony is, its usually an Apple user who takes a first swing at other platforms in a thread related to iPhone

This thread was created with the focus of shortcomings of upcoming software update for existing Apple users and still someone managed to make a pointless comment.

Sure Apple has done something right to enjoy such success with iPhone and iPod touch in developed counties. But I would consider it a real worldwide success when it enjoys same success in developing markets.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

This is not about you and me. And yes, you did say a lot of things about many other people. I am talking about your attitude in general of making judgement calls on other people. You do that in most of your posts (that I've read). Anyway, I'm going to gracefully yield as I think you've missed the point of my posts. I'd suggest that you give them another read if you have the inclination. G'night.

Yes I said a lot of things about other people, But I didn't say anything pointing a finger at a particular person. You should understand the difference. My comments were not uncalled for, even if you consider them judgmental. They were targeted at the kind of stupid people among the apple user community who have no knowledge what they are buying, no knowledge of technology or its evolution and just make outrageous blanket statements and then abuse your mom or your social and economic conditions when they are proved wrong. Sure there are such people outside of apple user community, but from personal experience, the degree of ignorance, stupidity and fanaticism displayed by Apple fanboi's is unmatched. My comments were targeted at such people who seem to constitute a majority of the apple user base on various tech portals. My comments were not directed towards anyone who do not belong to that group. On a side note, Isn't what you talked about me also a form of being judgmental. I find it ironic to find someone who is himself so judgmental telling me that I am judgmental.

In any case, enough with the OT. I don't want to discuss this further. If anyone has any thoughts related to the topic, please discuss, otherwise please stay away.

 

[smoky004]

They were targeted at the kind of stupid people among the apple user community who have no knowledge what they are buying, no knowledge of technology or its evolution and just make outrageous blanket statements and then abuse your mom or your social and economic conditions when they are proved wrong.

Lol Talk about stereotyping!! I have seen loads of stupid android fanboi's on engadget and other forums!!And they are annoying as hell!! Am done with this topic.

 

[Supra]

Lol Talk about stereotyping!! I have seen loads of stupid android fanboi's on engadget and other forums!!And they are annoying as hell!! Am done with this topic.

Apple and Bose are just the same. Plain and pure BS marketing

Retina Display ....to see what does Apple do....just to make more money for Gobs :rofl:...where is their social responsibility