Iran's New Fighter Jet - Qahar '420'

[madara_uchiha]

HAHAHA! Shows --

My stupidity shows.



My logic fails, don't know who you are trying to fool. If they can buy that technology clandestinely fooling an MNC in the US's backyard I don't know what I have to put up to prove that Chine can develop designs and avionics by reverse-engineering things OR for that matter buying it on the Black.



I will be waiting for that day and would see how rapidly those will be supplied to the Air Force.

Still waiting on them to get to a production tempo of replacing the ageing fleet of Alouette III's and Cheetah's with the Dhruv. The Army might end up purchasing the Eurocopter Fennec.



KTHXBAI!

you said in your post that the nozzles vector thrust 32 degrees outward,nd not that they are mounted outward,changing your stance can hardly be considered smart.and what about your claim that its not true 3d thrust vector?that fell short of being true,why dont you blabber about that?
you dont have any evidence that they successfully reverse engineered a capable flcs so you brought up that they reverse engineered tech for their helicopters,was that evidence?no,and after i pointed that out,your main line of defence is"the chines can develop designs and avionics by reverse engineering things"sure they can,but didnt we just establish they cant since,they dont have any said tech to reverse engineer?but no,you went even furthur,how is it that you,who wanted to abolish the posting of conjecture is suggesting that china may have made some back door black market deals of none other then the flcs?
the fact that hal manufactures su30mkis isnt enough proof that we can manufacture rafales?even after we receive the how-to of it?need i remind you we will be manufacturing rafales,not developing them.your pessimism is not proof of anything,and i suggest you keep it to yourself.
again i reiterate your knowledge is indeed limited and inadequate,stop convincing yourself otherwise.

 

[pratikb]

Alpha you are seriously mistaken about no mettelurgy dept of drdo.
We do have that and actively developing it.
Where is all composite stage of agni 5 coming from?

 

[pratikb]

And for your kind info,most probably reliance will be making rafales or part of it.
France is highly averse to hal manufacturing for well known reasons.
As part of offsets agreements,reliance will be setting up and assembling rafales.
Have you heard of hal setting up any fresh lines for rafael?

 

[ALPHA17]

And for your kind info,most probably reliance will be making rafales or part of it.
France is highly averse to hal manufacturing for well known reasons.

Heartening news. And even more respect for Dassualt after this.

As part of offsets agreements,reliance will be setting up and assembling rafales.
Have you heard of hal setting up any fresh lines for rafael?

Again HAL will gain SQUAT! from such offset agreements and we are at the mercy of private players, something DRDO and HA were supposed to counterbalance.

Alpha you are seriously mistaken about no mettelurgy dept of drdo.
We do have that and actively developing it.

Okay, I might be mistaken of its existence but all news that comes from that part of the organization is depressing. The Kaveri engine is a crying shame of an example. We have to resort to importing engines otherwise Tejas might be scrapped.

Where is all composite stage of agni 5 coming from?

^^ Don't act so self-assured, if a country like Pakistan could make missile components in the 80's (copied Chinese DongFeng's) and we cannot do it now. Well something is very ducked up.

 

[pratikb]

Pakistani missiles latest test had dis integrating last stage and you are comparing pakistan missile program to agni.
Shame shame.

you are comparing beggar nation to mother india.

And kaveri yes.I agree.

What about our missile defence systems and what about cep of our missiles?

 

[Aman27deep]

International 9gag entry.

 

[soggy316]

What if the first pic (where we only see the mountain) is the actual pic of the stealth fighter :O

Jet lvl: Ninja

 

[ALPHA17]

Pakistani missiles latest test had dis integrating last stage and you are comparing pakistan missile program to agni.
Shame shame.

you are comparing beggar nation to mother india.

Thanks man. Underestimate your enemies, when you understand history come back.

Pakistan had a more advanced nuclear programme at one point of time and they still have a lot more weaponised warheads than us.

Just having a nuclear weapon does not give you some sort of protective HALO, so get your facts right.

What about our missile defence systems and what about cep of our missiles?

Well we have the Barak (for the Navy) and Israel has been thumping around the Iron Dome system in the recent Aero India Expo.

No missile defence system is capable of protecting the length and breadth of our country, if things escalate to the nuclear LvL, things are ducked to the point of no return.

Also an obscenely tight CEP is not a pre-requisite for a nuclear delivery system's when you are using a device capable of obliterating most forms of life from in a ~5km -->25km (depending on tonnage) radius from ground-zero. Unless you plan to employ them in a tactical situation for which we have the BrahMos and Prithvi systems not Agni (Pakistani equivalents are Hatf series).

 

[pratikb]

although pakistan might have more warheads but they do not have efficient proven delivery means.
they do not have naval capacity no capable fighters to deliver nukes.
their entire f16 fleet is under US supervision and none of the missiles are proven successful.
also their fleet of f16 is stalled as they do not have spare parts also.

I am not under estimating them but they are capable of nothing more than dirty nuclear device.
and history has time and again proven that,we have won each and every war with them.

I am ashamed of your attitude about Indian defense development.

may be you are think foreign maal is best maal and desi maal is bekaar ghatiya.

change that mentality.
we have time and again proven the missile defence system and we are having agni missile which has double digit CEP.
you may not be aware but our DRDO is confident enough to release the footage of terminal stage of missile test, which as far as I know,nobody releases.
what does that show you?

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and obscenely tight CEP proves one thing that we have technology and means to destroy incoming warhead in its flight path.
ashamed of your lack of knowledge .
I always thought of you as well read chap but you have proven other way.

 

[ALPHA17]

although pakistan might have more warheads but they do not have efficient proven delivery means.
they do not have naval capacity no capable fighters to deliver nukes.
their entire f16 fleet is under US supervision and none of the missiles are proven successful.
also their fleet of f16 is stalled as they do not have spare parts also.

Yes the F-16 fleet is grounded but the ground based missiles are sound. Every programme has its fair of failures and if they are shown in test-launches, nothing like it .

Unlike DRDO / HAL I have rarely seen Pakistani projects keep going on for ages eating precious funds (which they are tight on) OR not come out in the light, reverse is what happens here.

Both our state-sponsored enterprises show great enthusiasm for taking up projects and then the project goes to the dogs. Cost over-runs, under-performance and foreign dependence for most components like (engines, avionics) and weapon systems. What is the point?

I am not under estimating them but they are capable of nothing more than dirty nuclear device.

and history has time and again proven that,we have won each and every war with them.

I am ashamed of your attitude about Indian defense development.

may be you are think foreign maal is best maal and desi maal is bekaar ghatiya.

change that mentality.

Okay keep that mentality, I cannot change you so shall stop trying.

Winning a war is not an achievement, avoiding a war should be the aim. But I am glad that we are never the aggressors.

Yeah! I am ashamed at HAL and DRDO for promising the moon and leaving our brothers in a lurch later. Arjun MBT, the Marut, Tejas, Arihant and for duck's sake INSAS rifle.

we have time and again proven the missile defence system and we are having agni missile which has double digit CEP.
you may not be aware but our DRDO is confident enough to release the footage of terminal stage of missile test, which as far as I know,nobody releases.
what does that show you?

That shows we are jingoistic prudes, who feel happy with developing missiles.

We cannot design basic turboprop trainers, turbojet engines, complex MFD electric displays, basic weapons systems like AP / HE shells. So we import such stuff.

and obscenely tight CEP proves one thing that we have technology and means to destroy incoming warhead in its flight path.
ashamed of your lack of knowledge .
I always thought of you as well read chap but you have proven other way.

I faithfully quote you

(1) What about our missile defence systems and (2) what about cep of our missiles?

^^ I took these as two distinct questions.

Double-digit and you feel that is enough for nuke defence systems. We need pin-point accuracy, in inches not metres. And why have we bought Israeli Barak's if our indigenous system is so strong, because the project was hopelessly delayed as usual?

Again raising the point, we are such a huge nation, do you plan to install these launchers in every city, á-la Iron Dome system? DO you know the costs?

Yeah! I told you that I am no expert, just an enthusiast in this field. I gather my knowledge from books and my father's views so if that makes my views radical accepted. I don't live in a delusion though and everything till now proves that if push comes to shove things can head South, fast.

 

[pratikb]

barak came in 2008 when our trishul system failed.
have you ever seen china russia france or any of p5 releasing the footage of terminal phase?

that should answer how much we have progressed .

 

[blkrb0t]

Just talk to a few officers working in the army and see what their reaction is. They are not as jingoistic as some of the general public and would gave you a fair idea of how our current defense stacks up and whether promised upgrades from the defense department are timely and efficient. Indian defense system is superior to Pakistan, but if they went all out, we would suffer some serious casualties, even though they wouldn't be able to win. India should strive to improve its defense capabilities to such an extent that Pakistan and China don't even dream of being the aggressor.

I remember what Abdul Kalam said when he had visited our college and someone asked him about how it feels to be called the 'Missile Man' (missile is something used for violence). He had just finished giving a speech about maintaining peace and harmony in the nation.

His reply was "Strength respects Strength", nothing else. If you are a puny little nation with no defenses, the aggressors will take advantage of you. To be respected as a nation from other superpowers, you have to become a superpower yourself, no other way.

 

[pratikb]

I do know what is it real ground level as my school batchmates are serving officers.
Only thing I am trying to point out is we have our fair share of far effective systems and drdo is not the drdo of foreyears guzzling money et al.
They are far better and doing their job quite well.israel and its iron dome is achieved thanks to american dollars as well as our dollar which is going on mrsam project.

 

[ALPHA17]

have you ever seen china russia france or any of p5 releasing the footage of terminal phase?

that should answer how much we have progressed .

Because they realize releasing videos makes no sense. If anyone wants to know our prowess in the missile department they can look at the success rates of our PSLV system.

If we wanted to go for shock value we would not have done our nuclear research clandestinely but we did, to make a point and to prevent any diplomatic / trade issues which were slapped onto us the moment Pokhran went live. Guess what next week Pakistan did six controlled explosions.

Just talk to a few officers working in the army and see what their reaction is. They are not as jingoistic as some of the general public and would gave you a fair idea of how our current defense stacks up and whether promised upgrades from the defense department are timely and efficient. Indian defense system is superior to Pakistan, but if they went all out, we would suffer some serious casualties, even though they wouldn't be able to win. India should strive to improve its defense capabilities to such an extent that Pakistan and China don't even dream of being the aggressor.

A good response, the armed forces are indeed aware of the issues on ground and that is why we are pushing for better air-lift capability (C-117 Globemaster's and C-130J), improved road infrastructure in the border areas because in these spheres China far out-strips us.

Currently war is not the answer because the demographics of power have shifted.

Unfortunately most people take a pragmatic, peaceful approach to be our weakness, it is not. It never will be and thus in case of hostilities we can always take the higher moral ground and rally more countries to our side. Something which Pakistan never gets save the Saudi states.

His reply was "Strength respects Strength", nothing else. If you are a puny little nation with no defenses, the aggressors will take advantage of you. To be respected as a nation from other superpowers, you have to become a superpower yourself, no other way.

As of now things are pretty stable, apart from improving our force capabilities we need our leadership to become more pragmatic. Most politicians do not understand the application of military force, best example the Mess in the Maoist states. The application of force is slowly adding to issues instead of addressing the issues.

I do know what is it real ground level as my school batchmates are serving officers.
Only thing I am trying to point out is we have our fair share of far effective systems and drdo is not the drdo of foreyears guzzling money et al.
They are far better and doing their job quite well.israel and its iron dome is achieved thanks to american dollars as well as our dollar which is going on mrsam project.

Okay, you made your point, I made my point.

I would be very happy the day Indian indigenous systems are drafted in high numbers for our National forces. But for now offsets and foreign solutions are cheaper and tested.

Currently most projects that DRDO has their hands in are way over-due. Arjun tank, missile systems, AP shells, proposed successor to the Arjun, Arihant and indigenous Aircraft Carrier.