Market Feedback Is any action possible againts buyers who waste time?

[jojothedragon]

I put my old ps3 game on sale here on TE. A member contacted me via PM that he wanted a bargain. I gave it to him. I asked if he can buy through ebay if i give him the link if possible. He said ok, as long as he could use his debit card. I listed it up once again and gave him the link. He said he couldn't use his debit card there. No problem with me, so i gave him my bank account details. After 12 hrs from this message he pm me saying that

Sorry buddy, you carry on with your sale.. i just gave money to someone.. now i don't have enough money in my account.. i have to survive for the entire month

sorry for the inconvenience.

I am not disclosing the member's name because i don;t want to offend anyone. But is this right? He really wasted my time. I even packed my dics. And also removed it from ebay so that it is exclusively sold to this member only. Who knows maybe someone might have actually purchased my game on ebay at that time.
So my question is can i leave him a negative feedback or something?

I understand that sometimes buyers are not able to pay due to some inconveniences, but this kind of jokes and BS reasons are really frustrating. He ownes a ps3 and don't even have mere 1k to survive the entire month?I am opening a thread because this has happened to me for twice. Not from the same member ofcourse.

 

[siril_k]

same thing happened to me on other forum, i helped a member in geting a discount on ebay via coupons so that he gets item for a lesser price, but the bugger bought a product which was just Rs.20 odd cheaper than mine using that coupon, he was PMing me since 1 month for that item (a trancsend 1gb ddr1 ram stick LW), then he pmed me sorry i bought other ram cheaper, THANKS for coupon...

Now i could have easily asked him to deposit in my bank a/c directly since he was ready for that but a good human inside me thought of giving him some help....

Cant leave any -ve feedback as no trade or deal took place...

 

[Mephistopheles]

NO you cannot leave any feedback in such cases, such things are part of trading so it will be better if you accept it and live with it, period

P.S IINM You can only leave feedback after certain transfer of funds from the buyer has taken place irrespective of whether the deal was concluded or not.

 

[jojothedragon]

^ I understand that. But these time wasters will keep on joking until they get a warning or such.

 

[Rockfella]

OP next time add this to your FS threads: Product(s) will be couriered to the member who pays first" Simple!

 

[d@rK nEmEsIs]

These things keeps on happening when using market on any forum.These are part and parcel of using market and nothing can be done for such things.

 

[jojothedragon]

But something possible can be done, can't it?

OP next time add this to your FS threads: Product(s) will be couriered to the member who pays first" Simple!

point noted. Thanks

 

[Zinc]

But in such cases, a lot depends on the following things:

1. How much time was wasted? :bomb:

2. What possible damage took place due to it? :death:

3. Was it deliberate on the part of the buyer? :evil:

4. What was done by the seller to speed up the process? :bangin:

I myself had a little problem with my account :no: and that too at a time when I was in the middle of two deals! :S
But the sellers were thankfully patient with me.

Anyway, your case is entirely different as the deal itself didn't take place.
I think in such cases also, a allowance should be there for a negative feedback after considering the above points.

 

[jojothedragon]

Exactly.

We are busy people and others don;t have the right to waste our time. Specially when these time wasters have our "confidential" a/c info.

A response from TE staff would be appreciated.

 

[pr0ing]

Exactly.
We are busy people and others don;t have the right to waste our time. Specially when these time wasters have our "confidential" a/c info.

A response from TE staff would be appreciated.

The best you can do in this situation is name the member in this thread as he wasted your precious time and you got offended. The mods do not need to interfere if it was a one-off situation. OTOH if the buyer has been doing this to other members too, they will respond here if you give his id and all of us will be careful while dealing with him. There is no point is giving a negative rating as that system is to keep track of deals and not for rating members' ability to complete deals.

-OT-
as a buyer whenever I need to get something from here/online/local market I always try to get the best deal possible. I check multiple sites for prices/discounts, even visit/call a few shops and 'waste' their time so to speak. None of the shopkeepers have forced me to buy from them.

 

[jojothedragon]

The best you can do in this situation is name the member in this thread as he wasted your precious time and you got offended. The mods do not need to interfere if it was a one-off situation. OTOH if the buyer has been doing this to other members too, they will respond here if you give his id and all of us will be careful while dealing with him. There is no point is giving a negative rating as that system is to keep track of deals and not for rating members' ability to complete deals.

-OT-
as a buyer whenever I need to get something from here/online/local market I always try to get the best deal possible. I check multiple sites for prices/discounts, even visit/call a few shops and 'waste' their time so to speak. None of the shopkeepers have forced me to buy from them.

getting the best deal is the right of every buyer. But member's market is not a shop! We just off load our out-of-need stuff there.We have jobs and other stuff. We don;t do business as a profession. So wasting our time is not a right thing.
And as for naming the member, i will do that with staff approval. I don;t want my rep sheet getting dirty.I know that the iTrust system is not for judging the members ability to complete deals. But if nothing is done they will keep on frustrating us.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

IVG Forums has a system in place to blacklist anyone who commit and back out from any of the special pre-order deals that they work out for the benefit of the members from time to time. Once black listed, they cannot avail of any future deals. So people would be careful about making a purchase commitment in the first place.

While I agree there can be genuine reasons for backing out of a deal at the last moment, I think we also need to have some sort of consequence for that in order to discourage members from making it a routine habit. There would definitely be cases where a buyer makes the seller wait and make him loose other potential buyers and backs out at the very last moment because he found a better deal or for some other arbitrary reason and having consequences would discourage such abuse. A buyer who has genuine reason for backing out would anyway never mind taking bearing the consequences in good will.

While the seller has no obligation to wait and can refuse to wait, waiting is still a sign of good will from the seller and the buyer is expected to repay in kind.

as a buyer whenever I need to get something from here/online/local market I always try to get the best deal possible. I check multiple sites for prices/discounts, even visit/call a few shops and 'waste' their time so to speak. None of the shopkeepers have forced me to buy from them.

There is always a limit to every thing that that applies to your local market as well. I have personally witnessed a case where a guy was physically thrown out of a mobile phone store because he crossed the line that separates someone looking for a good deal and info and someone who is wasting time and causing losses to the shops business. There were about 30 odd customers in the shop and everyone of them sympathized with the shop owner. Looking for the best deal does not necessarily require wasting somebody's time.

 

[jojothedragon]

^ Every word there is a true and i agree. A rule or system is definitely required to discourage these "time-wasters". I will say this a 100 times if required.
Plus no one can deny the fact that "time is money"

TE Staff?
this is a matter of concern.

 

[bottle]

I understand that this is painful but this looks looks more like a gesture of good faith you made which was abused by a member. We can't police that here but I guess if someone commits to buy he does need to follow it through.

I'm not sure if there is a provision to leave feedback to a member for backing out of a deal (Will wait for other market mods/users to comment). I do know that people have left feedback after having paid a seller who then sells it to someone else and I guess that should apply here. Personally I don't see any issues with you naming the user or giving feedback as long as it isn't one sided and he also has a place to get his voice heard.

I also don't think the market ever is going to be as fool proof as say selling over ebay where once a buyer clicks buy he has to go through with it without serious work to the market section and that isn't something thats planned in the near future.

 

[rohit3192]

Unless payment is received no transaction is complete.

I put on hold item when buyer says that he has done bank transfer AND provides transfer ID(pending credit in Bank account).

 

[pr0ing]

Your rep sheet wont get dirty by naming the buyer if you have not made up the allegations. In fact it will give the buyer an opportunity to give his side of the story an end this bad experience for you. He has already apologised for the inconvenience in the mentioned PM. You can PM a mod if you think you need their approval.

..... But member's market is not a shop! We just off load our out-of-need stuff there.We have jobs and other stuff. We don;t do business as a profession. So wasting our time is not a right thing.....

As many have already mentioned, these kind of things happen. With the amount of deals happening and also having members who have joined just for the market section there are bound to be some frustrations/cheating/frauds etc. When you use the market section, you should be prepared for this.

You may find this baised but from my point of view, buyer wasted your time and then apologised for the same; end of case.

-edit-
took too much time to type. many points are already cleared.

 

[jojothedragon]

I understand that this is painful but this looks looks more like a gesture of good faith you made which was abused by a member. We can't police that here but I guess if someone commits to buy he does need to follow it through.

I'm not sure if there is a provision to leave feedback to a member for backing out of a deal (Will wait for other market mods/users to comment). I do know that people have left feedback after having paid a seller who then sells it to someone else and I guess that should apply here. Personally I don't see any issues with you naming the user or giving feedback as long as it isn't one sided and he also has a place to get his voice heard.

I also don't think the market ever is going to be as fool proof as say selling over ebay where once a buyer clicks buy he has to go through with it without serious work to the market section and that isn't something thats planned in the near future.

Here you go:-

Sorry buddy, you carry on with your sale.. i just gave money to someone.. now i don't have enough money in my account.. i have to survive for the entire month

sorry for the inconvenience.

The question is like this, would you have serious buyers who actually buy or lame time wasters who back out at the last minute?
This applies to all deals and not only in my case, hence i don't think the members name matters much. Its the system that really matters. There might be other time-wasters out there.
I don;t understand what do you mean by one-sided. So please brief it a little.

BTW "sorry" doesn't pay in cash.

 

[pr0ing]

There is always a limit to every thing that that applies to your local market as well. I have personally witnessed a case where a guy was physically thrown out of a mobile phone store because he crossed the line that separates someone looking for a good deal and info and someone who is wasting time and causing losses to the shops business. There were about 30 odd customers in the shop and everyone of them sympathized with the shop owner. Looking for the best deal does not necessarily require wasting somebody's time.

that's the reason why I asked the OP to name the buyer. If he is a repeat offender then a mod might take action.
I was trying to see it from the buyer's point of view and may have gone a bit overboard.

 

[Zinc]

Actually this iTrust system itself is incomplete.
There should be different parameters on which points should be given to get a complete feedback score.
But here its just positive, negative and neutral, along with comments.

 

[MohitPreet]

this kind of behaviour really pisses me off sometimes but u cant help it buddy , u have to learn to live with it