Market Feedback Is any action possible againts buyers who waste time?
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once the admin team works out a code that separates the real reasons from the made up once, admin will implement then in the next forum update.
they are looking for the right script.
as for dealing in market,
Everybody has a different value for their time and their money.
Unless i'm emotionally attached to the buyer, i do not commit of selling to them exclusively by turning off all other deals.
keep all those interested in line and negotiate with them with a term that you would sell to one who would pays 1st.
Everybody has their priorities and thus, judging 'what is passable as a reason?!' is a moot point of discussion.
you should take this as a learning experience and reflect in your further deals.
as for the concerned member kuld33p.
have dealt with him once and he seemed like a reasonable fellow. But i do not want to generalize and categorize him based on one experience of mine.
once the admin team works out a code that separates the real reasons from the made up once, admin will implement then in the next forum update.
they are looking for the right script.
as for dealing in market,
Everybody has a different value for their time and their money.
Unless i'm emotionally attached to the buyer, i do not commit of selling to them exclusively by turning off all other deals.
keep all those interested in line and negotiate with them with a term that you would sell to one who would pays 1st.
Everybody has their priorities and thus, judging 'what is passable as a reason?!' is a moot point of discussion.
you should take this as a learning experience and reflect in your further deals.
as for the concerned member kuld33p.
have dealt with him once and he seemed like a reasonable fellow. But i do not want to generalize and categorize him based on one experience of mine.
This isn't just about kuld33p. If some else also does the same thing again, how many times will I open a thread on the same topic! :|
@all:- Thanks for your valuable comments.
@madnav:- Its not about being emotionally attached. If someone at ebay buys the item and at the same time the forum buyer as pays, to whom should i ship the item? If i ship it to the forum buyer, the ebay buyer is gonna give me negative feedback and vise versa.
@all:- Thanks for your valuable comments.
@madnav:- Its not about being emotionally attached. If someone at ebay buys the item and at the same time the forum buyer as pays, to whom should i ship the item? If i ship it to the forum buyer, the ebay buyer is gonna give me negative feedback and vise versa.
yes because ebay is a platform for trading and forum is not.jojothedragon said:
forum is for offloading the extras and unwanted.
emotionally attached thing was to address friends and family. What i meant was that i would shoo away other buyers if the person interested in the concerned sale is a friend or a family. Otherwise I would rather keep an open mind and keep looking of alternatives incase the one at the top of the list backs out... (that where 'add me next in the line' comes into play)
1st come(pay) 1st serve(get) always works out for the best of the seller be it ebay or forum.
If it was a family issue i would've finished the deal with mere phone calls :|
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god knows i am with u in this.
But its just no use. Signature awareness or otherwise ur just wasting ur time. There is no way of knowing wether its a genuine case or not. Not all would want to call and tell ..some are just embarassed for wasting ur time.
This is one of those moments u have to realise ur talking abt a forum as platform. U have to bite it and move on. Just add them to shit list. If they are genuine cases ull know. I do anyways in my case.
But its just no use. Signature awareness or otherwise ur just wasting ur time. There is no way of knowing wether its a genuine case or not. Not all would want to call and tell ..some are just embarassed for wasting ur time.
This is one of those moments u have to realise ur talking abt a forum as platform. U have to bite it and move on. Just add them to shit list. If they are genuine cases ull know. I do anyways in my case.
I believe in first come first serve. No holding business or anything except in cases where I know the seller or he is a prominent member of good standing. Otherwise strictly no holding.
Also when listing items on ebay I always state that its a defective/non working item so no one else will ever buy it.
Also when listing items on ebay I always state that its a defective/non working item so no one else will ever buy it.
Problems don;t solve itself.
My humble suggestion:-
Permission of giving strict conditions in FS threads:-
Any PMs to the seller stating that you want to buy the item(s) after negotiations(if any) and backing out afterwards, the seller has the right to leave negative feedback at his/her discretion.
This condition is applicable only if the seller states it from the time the thread is created.
Pros of this condition:-
1)Buyers will think thrice before buying the item.
2)Only serious buyers are gonna contact the buyer and are going to be very careful with their literature.
3)Buyers will not waste time or prank with the seller.
4)Only threads having this condition is affected. Leaving other sellers free to decide whether the want to use this condition or not.
5)This condition gives the buyer to contact the seller for more item information and does not hamper any other kind of conversation, leaving the deal more abuse free.
Cons:-
1)Fewer costumers, depends on item you are selling.
Other thoughts:- The buyer can always contact TE staff if they find the seller abusing this condition.
Your thoughts\approval?
My humble suggestion:-
Permission of giving strict conditions in FS threads:-
Any PMs to the seller stating that you want to buy the item(s) after negotiations(if any) and backing out afterwards, the seller has the right to leave negative feedback at his/her discretion.
This condition is applicable only if the seller states it from the time the thread is created.
Pros of this condition:-
1)Buyers will think thrice before buying the item.
2)Only serious buyers are gonna contact the buyer and are going to be very careful with their literature.
3)Buyers will not waste time or prank with the seller.
4)Only threads having this condition is affected. Leaving other sellers free to decide whether the want to use this condition or not.
5)This condition gives the buyer to contact the seller for more item information and does not hamper any other kind of conversation, leaving the deal more abuse free.
Cons:-
1)Fewer costumers, depends on item you are selling.
Other thoughts:- The buyer can always contact TE staff if they find the seller abusing this condition.
Your thoughts\approval?
And what if the seller backs out?jojothedragon said:
Forum can not be inclined towards who is right and who is wrong in this regard as it is a matter of personal judgement and choice.
The market section is not ebay, you can post in market section that you have this deal and you will deal only via ebay if you want those conditions.
We all have been through this at least once and only thing you can do is move on with it as an experience.
Also,
By enforcing the rule you proposed, it makes it easy for scum bags to scam people by pressuring them into confirming with deal.
Everybody has problems, real or imaginary...and the judgement on that call will differ person to person.
People had reason like 'my friend recently met with an accident so his parents want to sell the stuff he wouldn't use'; to some it seemed like charity and to some it looked like a scam (turned out to be the latter)
To cut the crap...
Seller's Right: To decide whom to sell.
People can go to lengths on how he promised that he would sell only to you... But that holds no value in objective world(world with Rules) without an actual transaction.
Buyer's Right: To buy from wherever he wants.
Go to a local shop, ask him 100 questions.. He will entertain you. But he can't demand you to buy. It is a sales process if you really want to play by rules. The rule is that you can deny to entertain but you can not demand customer to purchase in any way.
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Please try to separate Rules from morals here. My debate is focussed on rules since it is about implementing rules. Morally I would categorize customers into family, friends and non-friends as most us would and prefer the obvious ones.
What i suggest is not a rule. Its a condition for buying if applied on the FS thread.
people with doubts and problems won;t just buy the item with such condition. Which affects only the seller using this condition. thats why the buyer will not contact it unless he had done his research on available deals on the product and is 100% positive about buying it, i.e, no turning back.
If the seller backs out, leave him negative feedback for wasting the buyers times. I'm not trying to implement Ebay in TE. I am just trying to improve it.
Is not a rule, i repeat. Only a condition. I don;t see how scum bags will force people on buying. People normally don;t buy without an acceptable iT rating and how to you expect scum bags to get it?
people with doubts and problems won;t just buy the item with such condition. Which affects only the seller using this condition. thats why the buyer will not contact it unless he had done his research on available deals on the product and is 100% positive about buying it, i.e, no turning back.
agreed.
Yeah right. Members market is not a retail store. We can't keep entertaining you.
Some rules are forced to keep morale. Why else there is a rule in TE rules section that offenses are not tolerated? And i'm not trying to implement a rule anyway.
it is a type of rule indeed but according to my sugestion it only applies on and only on certain threads if the seller wants it.
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^you do not require TE admin/mods to approve for that if it is something you want as an option.
you can just put that bold line of condition in your FS as a term of deal.
i wont be surprised if someone then creates a feedback thread against that.
I for one would not prefer buying from a member who would want to make such a strong stand on a general basis, even if i was serious.
It reflects as inflexibility and there by inconsideration to me.
People have priorities and I would let it go if someone switches priority from my sale to something else in their life; at least as long as judging can't be a general process that is.
Just my opinion.
you can just put that bold line of condition in your FS as a term of deal.
i wont be surprised if someone then creates a feedback thread against that.
I for one would not prefer buying from a member who would want to make such a strong stand on a general basis, even if i was serious.
It reflects as inflexibility and there by inconsideration to me.
People have priorities and I would let it go if someone switches priority from my sale to something else in their life; at least as long as judging can't be a general process that is.
Just my opinion.
Thats the exact reason why mods/admins need to approve this.
I wonder why people buy through ebay. Its so inflexible.
yes it is inflexible over ebay if you don't know the seller OR if seller lacks feedback.jojothedragon said:
take a moment and think if you would be willing to purchase over ebay from someone with zero feedback with those terms..That is where i want to hint an easy gateway drug for scams.
and again, this isn't ebay.
If a seller with zero feedback uses those terms, he is just pointing a gun at his own head. And very likely he won;t get any deals with the buyers. So this terms are for people with advanced knowledge of selling online. And if scumbags use these terms with zero iT score, he is gonna get any customers for sure.madnav said:
And i don;t think i can make the decision well enough to judge for whom to be permitted these terms. This is where the staff comes in.
jojothedragon said:
now we are on the same page.
jojothedragon said:
Where to draw the line? and on what criteria?
There are senior members with hefty bag full of reputation points and post count who have less than a handful of iTrader points.
And there are members with iTrader high enough to get a reputable place on ebay but with very poor post count and reputation. These members have higher number of post in market section than anywhere else; basically on TE for market.
So on the criteria of 'advanced knowledge of selling online', the senior members who have contributed to TE alot with less trading render to be not so advanced in trading. While the latter category is very eligible for it.
This way, TE market will transform into ebay alternative, an e-commerce backed tech forum.
You getting my point?
The whole point is to avoid TE making into ebay.
jojothedragon said:
That is where you are not understanding it.
Staff has made the market section so that people can offload the extra and the unwanted. Forum takes no liability of loss of your time or money; and thus, making rules which would result in that is not feasible.
The market section is being mistaken as a free market where anyone can sell without paying taxes fees and still demand support and security.
Not that TE is demanding taxes or fees but it is simply doesnt want to be involved in issues arising out of individual terms and deals.
To make the stand clear on TE part (and admins/mods, do correct me if im mistaken)
TE does not want to be involved by inforcing rules which are different from standard rules that differ from legislation..(such as confirm to buy on ebay..)
This has it's drawbacks.
1stly, TE becomes responsible for implementing a law, TE can not be a regulatory body without paying to government i think. Otherwise this is like a black market.
2ndly, any frauds committed on TE would have to be solved by TE. Issues of legislation resulting into TE's reputation being soiled.
What you are demanding is not at all a standard term of trading considering the law and thus can not be made into a rule just like that.
People deny the sale even after receiving the payment, TE can not ban a member on that reason because legislation does not demand the seller to provide (as long as he refunds). A feedback however can be negative but feedback is subjective to personal judgement and can differ from person to person.
TE staff should clear above points but maybe they are tired of doing so again n again over the time; may be they can clear this in th Rules and Guidelines
If that condition is so contriversial then i would directly give the link to the ebay page and state that payment only through ebay. I will give pics on the ebay site only without my te id or current date. How about that?
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