Is Formula One Administration sandbagging some "Popular" F1 teams?

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How can last years title contenders Ferrari, McLarens, BMW and Renault (to some extent) flop this year all together and all at the same time :huh: .. I seriously smell fish here... :no:

Is the F1A trying to promote these lower order teams asking the real title contenders to sandbag? so that they can make F1 more "Competitive" and thrilling?

I don't understand how come till last year since 10 years ago it was Ferrari vs Other team (like Ferrari vs Mclaren or Ferrari vs Renault) change to Brawn GP vs Torro Rosso/Redbull/Toyota in a matter of 10 months? or infact jus 1 month in the case of brawn ???

I dont see under performance at all but lame mistakes like that of Hamy in Melbourne and Massa in Sepang... these are the lamest kind of things one can expect from expert teams like ferrari and Mclaren.

Does anyone else feel this is jus Ecclestone's attempt to promote F1 as it has been criticized with the more competitive races like NASCAR? :@

After all Ecclestone uncle has been crying for more "competitive" racing since last year or so...

Pour in ur thoughts...
 
It happens always,this is a massive rule change since a long time.

but thats what formula 1 is about,everyone should have a chance.

Its a refreshing change if you ask me.

But what happened this time with the diffuser debacle,

Members of top teams (McL,Fer,Ren maybe bmw too cant remember) were part of the overtaking working group which formed/assisted to form some of 2009 technical regulations/rules.

The diffuser debacle,which is the center of argument now,these owg teams decided to take within the 'spirit of rules' or alternatively as the rules were worded or intended precisely.The 'rebels' used the loophole in the rule to make those 'double decker' diffuser (again,not the first time).

Also one could argue top teams concentrated too much into last season.Honda gave up 2008 right from start,they have been working on the car for 18 months or so (used 4 windtunnels as suggested in other places).

but surely those guys will catchup soon,its just a matter of time.looks like an existing season ahead.
 
Actually we are not giving credit to these teams.

They have been working as hard if not harder than Ferrari's and Mclaren's besides most of them like Williams and Toyota having massive spending with world class technology.

So why is so difficult for us to understand that even they can develop a faster or fastest car. Also taking into account that difference between fastest car and that of Massa in P1 was less than a second i.e 15 cars were squeezed under one second.

Besides F1 is so competitive that gaining and upper hand is not that difficult with the right research. And thats what might have helped these lower ranked teams break through..

All in all I believe "Slick Tires" is the only responsible change to bring these teams on the top of the leaderboard, though my knowledge of technical things is below par so above statement can be easily argued.
 
The reason for lack for pace in Ferrari and McLaren is that till end of last year's championship, they had to concentrate on 2008 cars while teams like Honda, Williams, Toyota concentrated on 2009's car. This made huge difference. Add to that controversial diffuser.
 
I wouldnt be too bothered till the diffuser issue is settled. It's quite obvious the diffuser is making a lot of difference, whethers it's illegal or not is yet to be seen.

You'll see all the teams using more or less the same kind of diffuser after the hearing, whatever be the outcome(illegal or not). Only then we'll get to see the fastest cars on the track.

And no - however stupid Max Mosely can be, him and FIA would never do anything to "sandbag" the popular teams, cuz after all its all about the money, and the popular teams being in more viewership and money.
 
Also, you should note that for 17 years before ferrari started dominating (with Schumacher), they didn't win a championship.

And just about five years ago, McLaren went through a horrible patch.

And even Renault had a bad time for a while when they were Benetton post Schumacher.

The new rules have shaken things up, and I love it. For the first time in a decade, there is actual overtaking going on, on the track rather than in the pitlane strategy.
 
I dont know if you guys have really looked into quite a few matters here,

1) KERS - Kinetic Energy Recovery System

The kers is supposed to provide 80 BHP for 6 seconds around a lap by 'recharging' and storing the energy in a Storage device. Now if anyone has gone over the technical draw out of the F1 cars this season you will notice the KERS "turbine" is situated in a very odd position on the car and It adds nothing less than and additional 30KGS to the car.

Now: An Avg. F1 car weighs 550 Kgs, by adding KERS it gains weight to 580 Kgs and now add the driver with an avg weight of 65 Kgs. what do you get?

A very heavy unbalanced car. Now take Robert Kubica, hes heavy thus he opted out of the kers system. to balance the weight of the car. Its worked out Very well for him. If anyone has noticed the cars equipped with KERS (regardless of the Aerodynamic Grip Issues with each car)... has quite a bit of understeer.

Now,

1Hour = 3600 Seconds
Total time of Boost Provided by Kers in one hour : 300 Seconds
(Note: Kers will not work effectively unless you have the right amount of grip and enough space to apply that boost. They are most effective in long straights and the achieved speed can be carried for a few seconds longer.)

Adding 30 KGS to an F1 car.. Imagine.. wth is wrong with these guys? :S

That being said: that calculation seems too weird to me.. 300 to 3600.. whats the use of KERS anyway.. its more of a liability than an asset!!! Dont you think?

2) BrawnGp/Toyota/Williams and the Diffuser Kits:

These Diffuser kits have by far worked and helped a lot and have proven their worth ... so why cant the other teams adopt it rather than complain about it? it would be irrational to say they didnt have enough testing time.. well so didnt BrawnGp.. but they are still up there right?

My Final Thoughts:

1) Reducing the Aerodynamic grip and increasing the mechanical grip has by far really brought back the competetion in this season, The slicks have done wonders to the race.. all hail bernie eccelstone for that.. :lol: :bye2:

2) Remove the KERS system from the cars and im pretty Sure.. the competition will reach a new level. :2guns:

3) Get those diffuser kits on all the cars.. And then watch the race..! :clap:

Just my two cents.. feel free to correct me if i have gone wrong somewhere.. :cowboy: :)

Cheers!
 
i doubt the top teams would sandbag when they and their sponsors are paying millions to be at the front to get maximum air time so that their brands are visible to viewers...
 
I do agree that the new rules hv already shaken the F1 scene and bought champions out of benchwarmers or rather track warmers i must say :p Redbull's entire technical team strengh is equal to McL windtunnel team strengh... i will definetly appreciate other teams to the Pole position... they are doing a tremendous job...

I am more than happy with more competition and thrilling overtaking like in motogp.. turn to trun...

this yr Quals are already thrilling with Jus 1 sec seperating top 16 spots...

but at wat cost is my question???

yes brwan has put some 10 months into that car while top F1 teams hv jus been able to put in 5-6 months..

But wat bothers me is those silly mistakes made by McL and Ferrari?

How many F1 races has Ferrari been in to Mistime and Misjudge the Qualifying attempt? :@

Did McL think they r talking to Indian Police to lie and escape? :rofl: dont they know stewards can take in evidence from the pit radio??:tongue:

these kinda silly mistakes keep pointing that this yr F1 is more a WWF than a true race...

I would rather c McL and hamy win by fighting than a tele serial....:no:

I am keeping my fingers crossed till Apr 14 for the diffuser judgement...
 
KERS can store a max of 400kJ per lap and release a max of 60kW at a time.

Thus 400/60=~6.67sec per lap.
 
@Nemesis : Manuafacturing new diffuser kits isn't a joke. And even if you manuafacture it,(which i am sure Ferrari and Mclaren would have done by now), you have to change the car to a major extent just to accomodate it. All the Aero research done over the winters goes haywire. Although I believe that slicks are responsible to the larger extent for this turn around.
Actually controveries aren't new to F1. In every season there is atleast one huge controvery every 3-4 Race.. Thats totally normal. We have witnessed 2 controversies already with more to come after April 14.

Besides whenever some team is doing exceedingly better than others, its quite obvious. Benetton were accused in 94 and 95. Even Ferrari were accused in 97,98,99 when Michael was able to win races with exceedingly underperforming car.

FIA is accused to be biased towards Ferrari in every aspect. Apart from that controversies on and off the track like Team orders, Spying etc etc

This one is no different. Just for once it has made the racing more entertaining. Though it will get bored if Brawn dominates is single handedly. Would be fun for Redbull and others to step up, especially Vettel and Rosberg.

And KERS i dunno doesn't seem to help much. We'll see if there is noticeable advantage on straights tomorrow. Kubica is not using KERS and he is still lurking behind on the grid.
 
well.. kers certainly is a mixed bag for now.. i think the double decker diffusers and making a bigger difference to the lap times compared to kers. highly doubt that the double decker diffusers will be made illegal as the fia itself isnt very clear about it as of now. for other teams to catchup would require a month atleast (from the first race) as it requires a full rear wing redesign. i wonder what the laptimes would be when everyones got similar diffusers. id expect ferrari to be really competitive then.
 
BTW a super cool video of Sebastian Vettel running through the new 2009 rules - what it all means and how it all works....

YouTube - Sebastian Vettel explains 2009 F1 rule changes [youtube]zTkVKPdyWs0[/youtube]
P.S. how do i embed a utube video here... :S
 
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thanks mate! :hap2:
 
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@Nemesis : Manuafacturing new diffuser kits isn't a joke. And even if you manuafacture it,(which i am sure Ferrari and Mclaren would have done by now), you have to change the car to a major extent just to accomodate it. All the Aero research done over the winters goes haywire. Although I believe that slicks are responsible to the larger extent for this turn around.
Actually controveries aren't new to F1. In every season there is atleast one huge controvery every 3-4 Race.. Thats totally normal. We have witnessed 2 controversies already with more to come after April 14.

Besides whenever some team is doing exceedingly better than others, its quite obvious. Benetton were accused in 94 and 95. Even Ferrari were accused in 97,98,99 when Michael was able to win races with exceedingly underperforming car.

FIA is accused to be biased towards Ferrari in every aspect. Apart from that controversies on and off the track like Team orders, Spying etc etc

This one is no different. Just for once it has made the racing more entertaining. Though it will get bored if Brawn dominates is single handedly. Would be fun for Redbull and others to step up, especially Vettel and Rosberg.

And KERS i dunno doesn't seem to help much. We'll see if there is noticeable advantage on straights tomorrow. Kubica is not using KERS and he is still lurking behind on the grid.
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I know it isnt a joke.. but calling it illegal isnt helping.. as we can see the diffuser kits are doing far worse damage on the track compared to KERS.. i think it would make more sense to remove KERS and add the diffuser kits atleast from the next season.. ( and yes i know aerodynamic changes will occur by next season..so we can wait and watch ).. The slicks are one hell of an improvement.. and finally yes we can see more overtakes than a freaking pit lane strat which honestly is a bit boring.. :tongue:

As far as the diffuser kits are concerned.. well april 14th should put some light on it..:@

I agree, everyone blames FIA to be highly biased towards ferrari.. :S

Now where kubica is concerned.. he is faster than Heidfield.. proves a lot.. If you have noticed all the cars with KERS are very slow in the Mid-Section of the track.. (Sepang) but the other cars are doing just fine.. even the redbulls are doing pretty well there..

Peace :cool2:
 
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