Current Affairs Israel attacks Iran.

solo_wing said:
Saudis are becoming liberal by far now.
Have you seen changes MBS is bringing in Saudi lifestyle.

Women too are being granted more rights gradually .

Cinema, alcohol, party and what not is happening in Saudi these days.
( Ofcourse not full mainstream but gradually)

He will take Saudi to much more liberal country than we could have ever imagined.
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MBS has a free run for now . He was appointed out of the line of succession . So we can really expect someone to put a bullet to his head if the west is displeased with him .
What I was trying to convey is that there are a set of hardliners who are patronised and eugolised within those countries who will choose to support a hardliner than someone who would dilute the religious ways .
 
TEUser2K1 said:
That is something USA and their allies can neutralize easily, Iran can attempt, but will be futile.
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Iran won't try it for the reason I've given already in an earlier post
ramsudharsan75 said:
Conducting air strikes is a possibility, by dominating seas is a whole different game in my opinion. Only time will tell.
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Carrier battle groups are about domination. And there are two either present or arriving and possibly a third on the way.

Iran has no navy. Whatever Iran can do was already attempted and countered back in the 80s during the tanker wars.
yugaaa said:
So we can really expect someone to put a bullet to his head if the west is displeased with him .
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That would be the Kashoggi affair. Nothing happened to MBS. Modi invited him to India sensing his isolation. Smart move.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1936622889828303295

See the deception

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936759739313975641

People thought the strike if it ever came would come from Diego García. Instead the 7 B-2's did a 37h mission to and back from their base in Missouri. All those air refuelers being shifted to Europe some days ago was to handle the B-2s.
TEUser2K1 said:
One of the after effects, if the attack released nuclear material, can contaminate the entire region like a dirty bomb.
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Where does it say that in your article? No where

The conclusion is the same as the one I posted earlier from the Bulletin which I consider an authoritative source on things radioactive.

Low to moderate and Bushehr is the only place where the risk increases
 
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$2.2 billion ka ek plane...it took me googles help to find the actual cost in rupees.
Approx 17500crore INR each plane .

And they have 21 of these.

But this is such an old plane almost 30 year old .. I wonder how come they still not able to track this on radars and bring it down.
 
ByteBuzz said:
They are coated in a special top secret radar absorbent material to avoid detection.
They are recoated on regular intervals to minimise risk of detection.
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I understand the radar absorbent coated material but radars have also become very sophisticated I believe.
Still can't track 40 year old giant Football field size plane .
 
solo_wing said:
I understand the radar absorbent coated material but radars have also become very sophisticated I believe.
Still can't track 40 year old giant Football field size plane .
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There is the the China's quantum radar that can detect stealth aircrafts.

But considering the sanctions on Iran since the 1979( that i know of), it's unlikely that they have developed the latest and greatest radar system to detect ,lock on and shoot down the b-2.
 
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blr_p said:
He's the American president. He needs to be understood. How he speaks is irrelevant. I find Trump to be an excellent communicator. Very clear and engaging.
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As the American President, he needs to speak in a relevant manner to complement his role as a good communicator. Most of the time, he talks like a man-child, which is why his core message (if any) may be lost in translation.



Exhibit A on the consequences of "how he says things" and "what he means", using the Capitol Riots in 2020 as a point of reference. Yes, the way the President of the United States speaks is very relevant.

What he said:

"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

Vs

What he "claimed" to have meant:

"I said peacefully and patriotically."
 
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PunkX 75 said:
What he said:

"Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

Vs

What he "claimed" to have meant:

"I said peacefully and patriotically."
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There is no claim to have meant, he actually said peacefully & patriotically.

Go listen to his speech yourself. I DID. There is nothing in his speech that can be construed to incite anything.

I still maintain he's an excel communicator. Nothing he says will be lost in translation.
 
blr_p said:
There is no claim to have meant, he actually said peacefully & patriotically.

Go listen to his speech yourself. There is nothing in his speech that can be construed to incite anything.
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I did. It was made in the aftermath of what happened. 2+2 don't add up here. " Will be wild" and "peacefully" don't go hand in hand.

Go read his preceding tweet

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www.bbc.com

Capitol riots: 'Wild' Trump tweet incited attack, says inquiry

Mr Trump sent a rallying call to supporters after "the craziest meeting" of his presidency, the inquiry hears.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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blr_p said:
Then how did you not hear peacefully & patriotically?

No, it was before anything happened.

It was his concesssion speech

After that speech things happened. Obviously.

The charge is he incited a riot with that speech. Not true.
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None of that matters because he intended to incite the riot, because it's easy to rally up a mob, and give grace-candy in the name of "peace," no two ways about it. This even further proves that Trump is a bullshit communicator, which was the topic of contention. Trump's style of communication is more Charles Manson-esque - mostly hinging towards brainwash - at least when it comes to the MAGA bunch.


blr_p said:
The charge is he incited a riot with that speech. Not true.
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All may not agree:

www.bbc.com

Capitol riots: 'Wild' Trump tweet incited attack, says inquiry

Mr Trump sent a rallying call to supporters after "the craziest meeting" of his presidency, the inquiry hears.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Also, if he did not have intent, and further exposing his poor communication in "calling for peace", why this:

"Donald Trump sat for hours watching the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol unfold on live TV, ignoring pleas by his children and other close advisers to urge his supporters to stop the violence, witnesses told a congressional hearing."

"If the president had wanted to make a statement and address the American people, he could have been on camera almost immediately," Matthews testified. "If he had wanted to make an address from the Oval Office, we could have assembled the White House press corps within minutes."
 
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blr_p said:
You think the Israelis will cause a leak to happen which would then be carried over to the countries where they are based?
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Now, read some article purporting USA's strike is a failure since no radiation leak happened after the strike on nuclear facilities. It's said that Iran shifted out radio active materials already.
Doesn't a successful strike on nuclear facility leak radiation or not ?
blr_p said:
Now do you understand why this radiological leak trope is complete BS.
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Israel won't care much about radiation leaks into ME region.
 
PunkX 75 said:
None of that matters because he intended to incite the riot,
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That is a democrat charge of which there is no proof.
PunkX 75 said:
because it's easy to rally up a mob, and give grace-candy in the name of "peace," no two ways about it.
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You didn't confirm he said peacefully and patriotically. Because you never heard his speech You would never have made the post you did otherwise.

That one phrase is all it took me to junk these Democrat charges on my def board when it happened.

PunkX 75 said:
This even further proves that Trump is a bullshit communicator, which was the topic of contention. Trump's style of communication is more Charles Manson-esque - mostly hinging towards brainwash - at least when it comes to the MAGA bunch.
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I'm a Trump supporter so I listen to him more than you and I say he is an excellent communicator not to mention a pretty decent comic as well.

You have done what is typical of those who oppose. Listen to third commentary instead of listening to the man himself.
PunkX 75 said:

All may not agree:
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Of course they don't. What else do they have to blame the riots on him.
PunkX 75 said:
www.bbc.com

Capitol riots: 'Wild' Trump tweet incited attack, says inquiry

Mr Trump sent a rallying call to supporters after "the craziest meeting" of his presidency, the inquiry hears.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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There is no other evidence of addressing his supporters is there.

That speech is all there us and what you started with.

Like so many much more serious charges that all got junked. File this one in the same category.
 
blr_p said:
That is a democrat charge of which there is no proof.

You didn't confirm he said peacefully and patriotically. Because you never heard his speech You would never have made the post you did otherwise.

That one phrase is all it took me to junk these Democrat charges on my def board when it happened.


I'm a Trump supporter so I listen to him more than you and I say he is an excellent communicator not to mention a pretty decent comic as well.

You have done what is typical of those who oppose. Listen to third commentary instead of listening to the man himself.

Of course they don't. What else do they have to blame the riots on him.

There is no other evidence of addressing his supporters is there.

That speech is all there us and what you started with.

Like so many much more serious charges that all got junked. File this one in the same category.
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Good that you're a Trump Supporter. How do you address this:


www.nbcnews.com

Trump once called Jan. 6 a 'heinous attack.' Now he calls it a 'day of love.'

The former president has increasingly defended his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, most recently referring to them as "we."
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
blr_p said:
I'm a Trump supporter so I listen to him more than you and I say he is an excellent communicator not to mention a pretty decent comic as well.
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A comic - I agree

As an "excellent communicator" - believing the Earth is flat doesn't make it true. You're entitled to your opinion - yes, but this belief would fall as the exception, not the rule.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
Now, read some article purporting USA's strike is a failure since no radiation leak happened after the strike on nuclear facilities. It's said that Iran shifted out radio active materials already.
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If that is true the Israelis will find it. And then what. Iran has no capability to refine it further or make more. The strike has set the program back anywhere from 5 to 20 years.
TEUser2K1 said:
Doesn't a successful strike on nuclear facility leak radiation or not ?
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Go read your Reuters article for that answer :rolleyes:
TEUser2K1 said:
Israel won't care much about radiation leaks into ME region.
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Their partners will. It is completely ludicrous to suggest that.

People are upset I get that and make up all sorts of shit.
 
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