Klipsch S4 vs PL 30 , PL 21 , RE 2 + E5 , Ep 630

So finally after two months of researching, auditioning, impulsive buying I have sort of got the sound I was looking for. I had a PX 100 earlier and was not an iem guy primarily because of the discomfort I felt using them (I have tiny ears). I had the Ep 630 since a year before, and would hardly listen to them since the sound was nothing compared to the PX 100 and my ears did not take them too well.But then I decided to finally chose an iem which i can stuff into my pocket while traveling in the metro.

My preferences/requirement :-

1) Comfort
2) Detail
3) Deep/tight bass
4) Isolation
5) Carrying Case

SO I bough the PL 21 , though at that price it would only to be unfair to ask for more but despite the above avaerage highs and treble , it did not do too well in the bass quality.Quantity of the same would suffice for alot of folks but not the quality. Also one major disadvantage was the comfort. I could NOT use them for more than 15 minutes.I would lose the isolation doing something like laughing/chewing gum/speaking etc. Though soundmagic did definitely impress me on the accesories department.

Next, I bought the PL 30 , still faced the comfort problem, still insufficient isolation but impressive when it comes to accesories and highs. The vocals, treble, stringed instruments sound AMAZING on these iems but the bass was short on QUANTITY and QUALITY by a huge proportion ! I mean I loved listening to the highs, or acoustic versions of songs but as soon as you put on something that requires the Bass guitar/ Drums/Octopad to dominate the song structure in order to maintain the groove, the PL 30 failed. Also with the Pl 30 you always get that feeling you know , that you're listening to earphones, the feeling of the sound being generated from something small. Listening to good quality headphones would not make you feel that ways.

Next I bought the S4 myself and co incedently my mom had gone to Chandigarh to visit her brother and got me an RE2 + E5 from lynx which I had told her a month back and she rememebered :).

After listening to the S4 right out of the box impressed me on various counts, but at the same time I wasn't too sure if it was worth the 3.7 k I had paid.I was kinda sick of not being able to listen to music, so without much thought went and paid in for the S4. Recived it within 3 days. So the sound of the box ws good, but I could not quite figure out how good.If you know what I mean. The bass was in a different league all together, but the comfort was not sice the bi-flanges were on them by default.
I got so bugged that I put them up for sale for something as low as 3k ! The idea was to sell it for 3k, and buy the much hyped NE 6 for 2 k.After not finding a confirmed buyer, I sat back and decied to give it another shot. Burned them with a pink noise track, a white noise track, a silent track ,a frequency sweep and an instrumental ghazal track for about 72 hours.

Result , Mindblowing.

I put the small ear tips on instead of the bi flanges.Downloaded some 320 kbps tracks and heard them again.I was in the train and COULD NOT HEAR ANY EXTERNAL NOISE ! They were in my ears for about 2.5 hours and I could have gone way more if I had the time ! Now the most important part, Sound. The bass got tighter and deeper , the treble is not as outstanding as the PL 30 but the mids, the lows and the soundstage make up for that ! Put the EQ on the acoustic mode and voila ! You've got the "The Sound" ! So amazing comfort, infact amazing is an understatement, stainless steel, brush finished rad carry case , bass quality and quantity that makes you think the sound is coming right from a bose 2.1 and soundstage that makes you want to close your eyes and let music cast the spell it can !

Then I auditioned the RE 2+ E5 and compared it to the S4, the Re 2+ E5 combo wins over the S4 in the treble departmennt but not in the accesorry , bass and comfort departmenet. No carry case, amp +earphone+music player is a little inconvenient and the bass is still better in the Klipsch. The details is better on the RE 2 hands down but the Klipsch will not let you notice that untill you hear both of them at the same time. Also I would not recomend somebody to upgrade from an Re2 to an S4 unless you want more bass. However Pl30 to RE2 is definitley rooted for.

If you want to upgrade from something like the PL 11/21 , DO NOT consider the PL 30, but go for something like RE 2 or the NE 6 which is seeming to impress alot of people lately.

So , Re2 + E5 , approx, 2600, no carry case, my bass apetite not being satisfied , the hassel of carrying 3 things , less comfort than the S4 and fantabulous isolation definitely convinced me that the S4 is for keeps :)
Also I heard the Bose in ears yesterday, by far The BEST Iems I have heard ! Yes they are better than the S4 and only slightly more expensive.Also they come with a leather carrying case which looks prety hot too. Yes they were not as comfortable as the S4 to me, but that could be because the auditioning set had the medium sized buds on and I use the small ones. SO if instead of spending 3.7 grand you can spend about 5.4 , go for the Bose !

I STAND CORRECTED- Heard the bose again, theyre no good :/ Not worth half the amount.

PS :- Whatever I have expressed is solely my opinion , people may differ and rightfully so for something as qualitative as sound cannot be measured.
 
Pretty good and a convincing review .:) One thing I learnt is if the S4's detailing isn't lot better than the RE-2 than maybe it's really isnt worth the price .Ive read so much about it but never got to try it so I always thought it would be somewhere close to the detailing on RE-0, RE-1 etc which are in a different league altogether. But from your impressions it seems the detailing is on par with RE2 but lot better bass . These are the exact same impressions I have about the NE6 right now. Detailing is similar on par / pretty close to RE-2 though RE2 has slight better treble extension , NE6 has amazing lower midrange and the bass is so good ,its better than my 200$ RE-252 as well (only bass :P).

The carry case and build quality of Kilpsch are top-notch-one of the best Ive seen and one of the only reasons Ive ever wanted to try the S4s.

PS : Which amazing Bose IEMs did you try ? exact model , price ? The last time me and BF1983 tried a Bose IEM at their store it sounded crap compared to my RE-0 and BF1983s RE-1 ;).
 
Bose has only one model for earphones bro. The in ears.Only one model , the same ones. The bass was outstanding and the detailing blew me out ! Like seriously ! But the shape of the buds is kinda peculiar. Not everybody would be comfortable with them. Also , I havent tried the Re1/0 but after RE 2 i am totally convinced that th detail/clarity and soundstage would pretty much be as good as it gets :) But again, unless I can feel the vibrating bass guitar in my ears , I cant call it perfecto :)

Also , the detailing is not better but wider.I'm kinda unable to express it correctly but you get the feel that the sound is coming out of a full fleged speaker system with a dedicated bass unit and not just some tiny frequency generating plastic casings ! So the basic advantages which made me keep the Klipsch rather than the RE 2 were :-
1) Way better bass
2) Steel carry case
3) Superior comfort and isolation.
4) Not needing an amp, which makes it more portable.

Just my two cents.
 
Faheem i think he is not able to sum it up welll. Since i have heard the re2 and own the s4 ill try to sum it up in my words.

The s4's are what i would call the more fun iem's. They are loud with outstanding bass. Now for someone who likes their sound to be natural and detailed, my sennheiser cx-500 or the re-2 do beat the s4's. But again, thats only for people who like their music to be as natural as it gets with good bass response. S4's are more like denons where in a guy who likes his re0 or ad-700, will never switch to a denon 2000 for obvious reasons. They simply have a very different sound signature and that is the case with the s4's too. On a personal note, that's exactly why i have never liked the ad-700's cause it just doesnt kick in d beat for me (maybe cause i like my bass, not excess but it should be there)

If you ask me, 80% or more listeners will love the s4's because it even makes a low quality track come to life whilst that's not the case with an re or a cx-500. It has its flaws too but is definitely VFM. Really looking fwd to listening to a ne-6 soon.

Also 1 more point here, as good as the sound magic pl30 is, and it really is awesome for its price, the treble and bass after about an hr of listening cause a bit of irritation in d ear. till date thats never happened with the s4's or the sennheiser's.

PS: hey and Karan, Gr8 effort with the review mate... I was kinda shocked and completely zapped when i saw you put ur new s4's for sale..
 
^ That makes it much clear . I guess the S4 sound more of like the Brainwavz M2 or so . Need to try it asap .
 
Thanks hussain. Yea man, I tend to be impulsive :p Even though I still want to comp[are them to the M2 and NE 6 and the S2 ! Have a feeling the S2 would not be far behind and would be smarter option than the NE 6..
 
Just my opinion : Try not to get the Bose In-Ear's, although they sound amazing, the form factor is very odd, I borrowed a friends for 2 days as I wanted to get them too, kept falling off all the time, not to mention the ear ache after using it for just 20 minutes.
 
orangewrath said:
Just my opinion : Try not to get the Bose In-Ear's, although they sound amazing, the form factor is very odd, I borrowed a friends for 2 days as I wanted to get them too, kept falling off all the time, not to mention the ear ache after using it for just 20 minutes.

Precisely what I said, the only thing I dont know about them is the comfort because the shape of the buds is kinda odd. But for those who get a decent fit with them can swear by the quality.
 
Karan at 6k, i suggest you push you budget a bit and get the sennheiser ie6. Once you have those, i dont think you will need another upgrade anytime soon...

And if u dont like em, sell em to me .... ill take em no questions asked :)))
 
Got my hands on something Ive been wanting to review for ages. The Klipsch Image S4 ! Thanks to Strategy for loaning it to me mukulymn for passing it on to me .

Initial impressions : Kickass bass for a basshead .One of the most amazing isolation and comfortable fit.Wide soundstage as well. Loving it ..Wish the treble and mids were a little better :P Ohh yeah there is hint of sibilance in some tracks. In some tracks these sounds very amazing whereas in some the sibilance and not so great treble brings down my smile :(.
 
yeah the fit of these is great, the tips are very good. it only waters my mouth (..er.. um...ears) to think what the X5 and X10 could do with isolation and comfort, they are praised much in these areas( much more than S4).

sibilance is there, and treble is the OKish, cant argue on that , but bass is very good for its price. (well was good for its price, now that top tiers have started around 5-6K cant be sure)
 
^ Yeah I feel its pretty good in its own way. Coming from a big brand like Klispsch which can afford to spend a lot on R&D this has a upper hand on the amazing tips and housing design. It can easily be placed somewhere close to the Brainwavz M2 .Each having their own strengths and weakness.
 
:O is there a loaner program going on in India .Faheem send me your IEM's on February 22 2011 to Bangalore

I am leaving the country on 23rd :(
 
Currently i use PL30..what do you guys think is the best upgrade from here....S4 or BOSE?

I have a budget upto 5k MAX. Will there be any noticeable difference in the sound quality?

PS: I listen to generic music of all sorts like hindi..telugu...english etc etc :P Not a major audiophile u see ;)
 
5K is a lot , i think you can better than both at 5K. ( have not heard the bose though)

if you can extend your budget and are OK with second hand get anubhav's re262 for 6K ...its sound is worth ...10K!(even more for some)

as for below 5K only you can try the PFE9000, amarbir has them in stock at 5K( i think i read this , not sure though)

else get S4 or M2, as per your requirements .. faheem has them both ask him

EDIT : Sorry, anubhav has the RE252not the RE262. i wans thlking abu the same though

PFE9000 , damn...sorry its the panasonic HJE900
 
strategy said:
5K is a lot , i think you can better than both at 5K. ( have not heard the bose though)

if you can extend your budget and are OK with second hand get anubhav's re262 for 6K ...its sound is worth ...10K!(even more for some)

as for below 5K only you can try the PFE9000, amarbir has them in stock at 5K( i think i read this , not sure though)

else get S4 or M2, as per your requirements .. faheem has them both ask him
He has 262 or 252???
 
strategy said:
get anubhav's re262 for 6K ...snipped....as for below 5K only you can try the PFE9000, amarbir has them in stock at 5K
Anubhav has RE252, so it's a typo. But, what is PFE9000? :huh:

Edit: Did you mean HJE900 by any chance?
 
Dont buy the Bose. Me being a bose fan boy is saying that so there must be something seriously wrong with them :/
All the other siggestions are awesome. Finally Faheem likes the S4 :D
 
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