Made in India

[mk76]

14 year old Indian American wins
Indian-American .. Teaching
Indian-American .. Device

To Kya Hua ! Arey ! Uske Maa-Baap paida to India mein hi hua the.....

So who are these Indian-Americans.
According to Wiki -

Indian Americans or Indo-Americans (Hindi: भारतीय अमेरिकी, Bhāratīya amēriki) are Americans of Indian ancestry

Why have we become so complacent that instead of promoting creativity in our own country, we are just dancing and clapping at the achievements of others.

What we teach our kids .............. Numbers .....
What teachers teach our kids .... Century Old curriculum....
Time we spend on roads ............ Two-three hours up-down.....
What our workplace expect ....... Hours you put in.....
Quality of life we are living ........ Like a f**king a**hole .....
Creativity ................................... Exponentially Negative .....

At least in the capital of the nation, I have not come across any one, be it home, education institution, work place.. who promotes creativity.
This is my perception and I wish I am not correct.

What do you think? What are we doing or what should we do to promote creativity?

 

[rdst_1]

14 year old Indian American wins
Indian-American .. Teaching
Indian-American .. Device



So who are these Indian-Americans.
According to Wiki -

Why have we become so complacent that instead of promoting creativity in our own country, we are just dancing and clapping at the achievements of others.

What we teach our kids .............. Numbers .....
What teachers teach our kids .... Century Old curriculum....
Time we spend on roads ............ Two-three hours up-down.....
What our workplace expect ....... Hours you put in.....
Quality of life we are living ........ Like a f**king a**hole .....
Creativity ................................... Exponentially Negative .....

At least in the capital of the nation, I have not come across any one, be it home, education institution, work place.. who promotes creativity.
This is my perception and I wish I am not correct.

What do you think? What are we doing or what should we do to promote creativity?

Everything you have said is exactly what I would have wanted to say if I came across this news.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

I cannot agree more. It is ridiculous and often embarrassing to see news items of this kind and even more so the comments that follow from people across the country. Why do people feel the need to make the "Indian" brand hog the credit for something that happened to be accomplished by an American or European who is even remotely happened to have Indian origin.

Their accomplishments were not because they happened to be of Indian origin. It was their own hard work and/or intellect and maybe the living conditions in the country that they reside in that contributed to some extent.

When Satya Nadella became CEO of MS, it was hyped as if it was an accomplishment for India and every Indian when in fact he had been to US for study and has been there since then. He worked at MS for 20 years before he became the CEO. It was his personal accomplishment. People have no right to associate themselves to his accomplishments by using the "Indian" link. if anything, People are essentially insulting him and his hard work by tying his accomplishment to something like the "Indian" link that has absolutely no significance whatsoever.

Yes, people can definitely be happy for the accomplishments of others, but there is absolutely no need for them to feel proud as "fellow" Indians. If they want to feel proud, let them accomplish something on their own and feel proud rather than trying to take credit from somebody else's accomplishments.

On similar lines, when a crime is committed by an Indian or person of Indian origin in another country, people either try to defend him with silly arguments or when that's not possible, they will try to shrug it off as just another crime that happens in every country and not to be given any importance. Yet when the victim is an Indian and the culprit not Indian, it suddenly becomes a racist incident.

 

[manoja2k]

We Indians are an intelligent but unfortunately competitive lot. Being highly intelligent also makes us highly competitive. It's a truly sad consequence of being a highly intelligent race. Brings out the worst in us.

This is well said. We use our intelligence to scam our system and the society. However we don't use that intelligence to be positively creative.

 

[m-jeri]

This thread is full of awesomesauce posts.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

I agree with you to a certain extent. People from other under-developed nations also take pride when their countrymen succeed abroad. Their is nothing wrong with that. However, we Indians tend to blow it out of proportion.

However you look at it, the truth remains that an Indian from under-developed India succeeded abroad. I for one can forgive an under-privileged Indian for taking enormous pride in this fact. However, i would never forgive an Indian who has lived a privileged life in India for blowing it out of proportion.

Filling in for Bill Gates is no small joke. It is a big deal. It is an even bigger deal when that person happens to be someone whose formative years and early education took place in an under-developed nation. He is a role-model and a genuine source of inspiration to many under-privileged Indians. However, there are also unscrupulous Indians, mostly privileged, who will definitely use Satya Nadella's accomplishments to breed negative racist sentiments in the minds of the less fortunate/educated in order to further their own personal goals.

There are several problems with this.

People try to attribute the success of that successful person to them being somewhere somehow being Indian and not for the fact that it is due to their hard work and intellect. This is an insult to the person and it robs them of the credit they really deserve. From my observation of numerous online and offline discussions and comments of various people over the years, this sort of attitude comes from being overly arrogant and egoistic.

To put it in the simplest terms, the logic goes something like this....

I am Indian and I am great (or have great potential). My culture and heritage is great because its obviously my culture and heritage. India is great because it happened to be my country and has great culture and heritage as already established, The other person who accomplished something happens to be an Indian. He accomplished it because he happened to be Indian. He accomplished it because he happened to belong to the same country and had the same culture and heritage as me. His success is because he was born in the same country as me. His success is just an indication of my own greatness or potential. People may paint this type of reasoning in different ways and words, but at the core of it, its nothing more than people stroking their own ego for self gratification. Then they brag about how great our country is and reinforce their own notion that there is nothing wrong with the country and that its the pinnacle of human evolution and this outcome is the dangerous bit. This is the way of the overly arrogant who have nothing else to show for themselves.

A Self respecting person will also have a bit of ego, but he will still recognize the hard work or intellect of the other person and how it was rewarded and may feel happy for them without being proud themselves by linking that persons success to some common factors between themselves and that person like the Indian link. Such people will be proud of what they themselves have achieved in their own life or may even feel envious about the gap between what the other person and they themselves accomplished. They won't try to ride on the accomplishments of others.

 

[mk76]

It is not just successful foreigners; in general we Indians always try to establish one sided relationships with the mighty ones.. no matter how rubbish it is

Woh DSP mere mama ke bete ke Facebook follower ka uncle hai

to keep fueling our false egos. And in my opinion .. the real reason lies is roots of our upbringing -> which has made us very insecure and thus very competitive.

Tu number nahin layega to blahblahblah

Padosi ne apni biwi ko yeh diya par tum blahblahblah

Beta pado nahin to doctor kaise banoge, paise kaise kamaoge blahblahblah

We all understand that in some manner or the other, drooling at the accomplishments of the others is not going to yield benefits to oneself. But the real question is not to have arguments about who is responsible and how. The question is what are we doing to free ourselves and our children from this mentality ?

Also it is not just that whether people want to or not - our system as well does not allow that. People like my last manager never encourage creativity, just because she was only interested in her own KPIs. In fact many ensure to create hostile environment to not let people move out. And this is not isolated case.

So the question is how we ensure to groom coming generations in the correct way despite day-to-day challenges and utterly shameful political will.

 

[booo]

Yeah I agree! Sunny Leone is Canadian

 

[letmein]

Still waiting for asingh and his rant...

 

[mathrisk]

Remember this
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/13/venky-ramakrishnan-miffed-at-emails-from-india.htm

George Carlin on the same topic

 

[avi]

When Satya Nadella became CEO of MS, it was hyped as if it was an accomplishment for India and every Indian when in fact he had been to US for study and has been there since then.

Manipal Institute of Technology (which they like to call themselves as MIT lol) also took some credit.

 

[asingh]

Still waiting for asingh and his rant...

Why did you not tag me...?

 

[manoja2k]

There are several problems with this.

People try to attribute the success of that successful person to them being somewhere somehow being Indian and not for the fact that it is due to their hard work and intellect. This is an insult to the person and it robs them of the credit they really deserve. From my observation of numerous online and offline discussions and comments of various people over the years, this sort of attitude comes from being overly arrogant and egoistic.
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I don't agree with this to an extent.
Yes, we Indians do have the tendency of 'leeching' onto someone else's success especially when we are able to find some commonness with the successful person - my neighbour, my state, my country, my relative blah..blah.. And in all such cases - be it Nobel prize winner or Oscar winner or Booker prize winner.

What I don't agree to is the perception that the successful person is insulted by this attitude.

Also if any person's formative years were spent in India there is no harm in proclaiming so and feel proud about it. The other person also knows that the foundation also matters to while achieving success as other parameters like environment, infrastructure, hard work and luck. I don't feel it's wrong to feel proud about this fact.

Only problem here in India is that we overdo it trying to obtain a vicarious pleasure out of it.

 

[manoja2k]

Some successful people might find it offensive that their countrymen attribute his/her success to their country of origin. But some may also forgive this attitude because it is the only source of pride that their countrymen can find meaning in. And when i'm talking about countrymen, i'm really talking about under-privileged people.

I don't know why this perception of 'feeling insulted' by the successful people exists among us. In USA, in Denmark as well as here, my work requires me to interact with quite a few achievers - may not be at national or international level but definitely at community level or regional level. My conclusion is something like this -

There are two categories of people with Indianness - one who spent part of their formative years in India and migrated elsewhere(1st generation American/European like Satya Nadella) and the other who were born and brought up outside India (2nd or later generation like Bobby Jindal).

Usually the 2nd and later generation are either amused or indifferent to this type of glow-in-others-light kind of behaviour. Few of them still give credit to their being an Indian as a major contributor (Even one of them, in a private chat in a bar, quoted "I have an oriental mind and I am very confident that I can beat occidentals in a brain game". He is a kind of small celebrity in investment circles)

The other kind, the 1st generation migrants, feel proud when their community or village feel proud about them. Some of them do rue the fact that the same people (village or community) did not do anything to help them achieve the same thing in India. They believe they could have done much better in India had the hurdles put before them were removed.

In all my interactions with these people, no one had given me a perception that they feel insulted or even angry that the village or community is now taking pride in his/her achievements.

I, of course, do not condone the fact that we overdo our act of feeling proud about migrant Indians and in the process, undermine several other contributors to the person's success.

 

[manoja2k]

Living in a first world nation tends to make you more objective and down-to-earth.... His attitude is a result of having been brought up with first-world values.

I differ here completely. The incident that you quoted might be true for some cases (though not sure how you came to the conclusion that only first world and not the third world teach you to look at things objectively and in a down-to-earth manner). Being able to do things objectively or subjectively depends on another factor - one's sentimental involvement. In fact I have come across many people from western world who are pretty objective enough in their professional lives, but when it comes to something where they are somewhat emotionally involved the objectivity starts disappearing. E.g. in UK and in France I have seen people are very sentimental about achievement of some small time soccer player from their area/county (who might be playing for a totally different club in Brazil). The way they used to gloat over the player's achievements gave me a feeling that not only we Indians but also so called citizens of developed countries have the habit of getting carried away with their sentiments.

In a gist, I can say that objective analysis comes from a control over sentiments. And control over sentiments has got nothing to do with whether you belong to first world or third world. From my experience I cannot say that any country is more objective than others and I believe this behaviour is individualistic.

Anyhow I think we are digressing from the real topic.

 

[manoja2k]

Who among us does not got sentimental when India wins the World Cup? For that matter, ask the Australians and the English what they think about the Ashes. Sentiments are bound to flare during a sporting tournament between nations. This is because the participating team/athlete represents their country thus helping their countrymen identify with their nation. Having said that, how would you identify with Sathya Nadella's success who is working for a multinational? When Sathya Nadella was appointed, did Microsoft or any of the Indian employees celebrate the fact that an Indian became the new CEO?

See all I am trying to tell here is that when sentiments come into picture then objectivity gets lost.
As far as Sathya Nadella was concerned I felt good about it in fact proud to an extent because I believed that there is a small contribution from India (however small that may be) towards his ultimate success. Accordingly if something bad happens to him, in the form of failure, I would feel bad about it too. Like Rajat Gupta (I was happy about his success and sad and angry about his failure). I am also proud about Kalpana Chawla and extremely sad about her untimely death. Only difference is that I don't 'leech' onto their success and don't try to undermine their effort and other contributors. This is because I am sentimental about my country (however rotten it may be) and any contribution from her towards someone's success is a proud moment for me. On the other hand take the case of Bobby Jindal or Richard Verma - I am indifferent, as I believe there is nothing Indian about them.

But what about Mother Teressa? Strangely I don't feel that proud about her. No doubt her work and dedication is way beyond discussion or criticism but I believe India has little contribution (providing an opportunity to serve the masses) towards her success