MBA:2,016 seats next academic year,1,018 :merit; 998: reserved

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Nice statistic. But serves no purpose at all.

Of course we can petition against it in the court but in my (limited) experience I have seen people to just rant here and then forget about it (in real life).
 
mehrotra.akash said:
Nothing specific, just that they cannot compete even at PG level after getting reservations at UG level
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LOL, its nothing about UG/PG or ability to compete, the two most important words are Vote Bank :)
 
mehrotra.akash said:
Nothing specific, just that they cannot compete even at PG level after getting reservations at UG level
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The question is what difference does not having any reservations going to make on the current education situation in our country? You are implying people that fall under reservation categories are unable to compete even after availing reservation, but are the rest any different? Assuming its really enough competition for the rest, you would think that only the cream would make it though in open competition, but I am finding that their degrees are not worth the paper its written on. Back when I was in college, as a fresher you would answer 85% of even the toughest questions asked in an interview and still have a chance of getting rejected for a job. These days, a interviewer would be lucky to get answers for 20% of the questions on the most basic fundamental stuff that a candidate ought to know and you would still get looks from the candidate that seem to scream "Why is this guy asking me out of syllabus questions" the way they are accustomed to in schools and colleges. Even 2~3 years of working experience does not do anything for them. With the way our current system is, I think we may have more important things than reservations to worry about in our education system.
 
^^ Campus recruitment season has just started and I have been traveling to some of these tier1/tier2 B-schools for campus hiring..

The quality of candidates seems to be deteriorating by every passing year and it has nothing to do with them being from a general or reserved category..

I've seen B.Tech. (Electronics) + MBA kids struggling to explain the difference between a npn and a pnp transistor..

B.Com + MBA failing to explain the time value of money...

Yet having the audacity to shoot back "Oh, I studied that a long while ago!!"
 
Lord Nemesis said:
The question is what difference does not having any reservations going to make on the current education situation in our country? You are implying people that fall under reservation categories are unable to compete even after availing reservation, but are the rest any different? Assuming its really enough competition for the rest, you would think that only the cream would make it though in open competition, but I am finding that their degrees are not worth the paper its written on. Back when I was in college, as a fresher you would answer 85% of even the toughest questions asked in an interview and still have a chance of getting rejected for a job. These days, a interviewer would be lucky to get answers for 20% of the questions on the most basic fundamental stuff that a candidate ought to know and you would still get looks from the candidate that seem to scream "Why is this guy asking me out of syllabus questions" the way they are accustomed to in schools and colleges. Even 2~3 years of working experience does not do anything for them. With the way our current system is, I think we may have more important things than reservations to worry about in our education system.
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This is something I have been noticing as well. And not just the interviews, it carries over to the work output after they join as well. If some work is assigned, they just try to follow guidelines provided as gospel. If they don't arrive at a solution, work stops for a day till further detailed instructions are given. There is no attempt to understand what the bigger picture is and try to investigate for alternative methods to get the same work done. It gets a bit frustrating at times.

(Sorry for the get-off-my-lawn rant, have been dealing with such things at work lately.)

Also, this is not just a you get what you pay for thing. We are a small company but have a pretty high salary package.
 
Exactly, While I didn't get have had to go on any campus recruitment drive recently after I changed to my new company, but I have been interviewing a lot of guys with anywhere from 3 to 7 years experience and the main problem I find is poor attitude. What college they attended and how they got their college seats is immaterial, the problem is that they are not bothered to learn nor or they bothered to even attempt solving a problem. The answers that I usually get "I have never studied this, so I am giving up" or "I have studied this a long time ago, so I don't remember".

Just to demonstrate, one of guys I interviewed recently was into embedded systems and was programming with embedded C++ and previously he was into device drivers and as per his resume he was involved in some project that had something to do with control systems in Nuclear power stations. When I was testing his C++ skills, he was hell bent on passing every object by value to his functions. He claims that he has to do it in order to prevent his object from getting modified inside the function. I even went ahead and asked what he would do if he had a very heavy object. He insisted that he would still pass it by value. It seems that he had been programming that way. He passes objects by value whenever he wants the original object to remain unmodified when he ought to be using constant references. Then I asked him to write a simple swap routine to swap two numbers. He took his time to write a routine that took two arguments by value, created two more vars inside the function to swap them while the function itself does not serve its purpose as he has passed the arguments by value. This is blasphemy in programming, leave alone Embedded systems programming. This guy has 3.5 years of experience working at a reputed IT services company in Hyderabad and did I mention that his current assignment has something to do to control systems of a Nuclear power plant. God save us all.

whatsinaname said:
Also, this is not just a you get what you pay for thing. We are a small company but have a pretty high salary package.
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Same here, my company may not be the top payer in the industry, but 8~10 LPA for a fresher is nothing to sneeze at ether. So the least I would except from a candidate is that he knows at least his basics for which he had spent 4~6 years in an Engg college and apply it while at the same time put efforts to make his work experience more meaningful than just as the number of years.
 
@Nemesis

An alternate reason for your experiences could be the campus placement policy followed in a large number of pvt. engineering colleges atleast

Basically it is 1 student 1 job

The above average students take up the initial offers, so in the end companies come are basically end up dealing with the lower 50% of the batches only.

The perceived student quality from the 1st to the 10th company would be decreasing like anything

I guess you would have been with one of the later companies

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Lord Nemesis said:
The question is what difference does not having any reservations going to make on the current education situation in our country? You are implying people that fall under reservation categories are unable to compete even after availing reservation, but are the rest any different? Assuming its really enough competition for the rest, you would think that only the cream would make it though in open competition, but I am finding that their degrees are not worth the paper its written on. Back when I was in college, as a fresher you would answer 85% of even the toughest questions asked in an interview and still have a chance of getting rejected for a job. These days, a interviewer would be lucky to get answers for 20% of the questions on the most basic fundamental stuff that a candidate ought to know and you would still get looks from the candidate that seem to scream "Why is this guy asking me out of syllabus questions" the way they are accustomed to in schools and colleges. Even 2~3 years of working experience does not do anything for them. With the way our current system is, I think we may have more important things than reservations to worry about in our education system.
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Did you by any chance end up dealing with the NRI Quota/Paid seats people

Looking at the difference in cutoffs, yes there is a major difference.

Just an anecdote:

Dont remember the numbers, but at my marks(in DCE exam in 2008) had I been in SC, I would have got CSE, and had I been in ST I would have been in the top 3

being in general meant that I could hope to get Environmental at best there

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Lord Nemesis said:
Exactly, While I didn't get have had to go on any campus recruitment drive recently after I changed to my new company, but I have been interviewing a lot of guys with anywhere from 3 to 7 years experience and the main problem I find is poor attitude. What college they attended and how they got their college seats is immaterial, the problem is that they are not bothered to learn nor or they bothered to even attempt solving a problem. The answers that I usually get "I have never studied this, so I am giving up" or "I have studied this a long time ago, so I don't remember".

Just to demonstrate, one of guys I interviewed recently was into embedded systems and was programming with embedded C++ and previously he was into device drivers and as per his resume he was involved in some project that had something to do with control systems in Nuclear power stations. When I was testing his C++ skills, he was hell bent on passing every object by value to his functions. He claims that he has to do it in order to prevent his object from getting modified inside the function. I even went ahead and asked what he would do if he had a very heavy object. He insisted that he would still pass it by value. It seems that he had been programming that way. He passes objects by value whenever he wants the original object to remain unmodified when he ought to be using constant references. Then I asked him to write a simple swap routine to swap two numbers. He took his time to write a routine that took two arguments by value, created two more vars inside the function to swap them while the function itself does not serve its purpose as he has passed the arguments by value. This is blasphemy in programming, leave alone Embedded systems programming. This guy has 3.5 years of experience working at a reputed IT services company in Hyderabad and did I mention that his current assignment has something to do to control systems of a Nuclear power plant. God save us all.

Same here, my company may not be the top payer in the industry, but 8~10 LPA for a fresher is nothing to sneeze at ether. So the least I would except from a candidate is that he knows at least his basics for which he had spent 4~6 years in an Engg college and apply it while at the same time put efforts to make his work experience more meaningful than just as the number of years.
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Which company?

8-10LPA for freshers?

Where can I interview?

The IT services company you mention: I'm guessing its a MRC
 
mehrotra.akash said:
@Nemesis

An alternate reason for your experiences could be the campus placement policy followed in a large number of pvt. engineering colleges atleast

Basically it is 1 student 1 job

The above average students take up the initial offers, so in the end companies come are basically end up dealing with the lower 50% of the batches only.

The perceived student quality from the 1st to the 10th company would be decreasing like anything

I guess you would have been with one of the later companies
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No, I don't believe that is the main reason. We are usually in the first tier of companies and do interview people from the higher demand branches (CSE, ECE, etc). I notice the same thing there. And it is worse for us, because our offices in India are usually a ~10 people operation, we cannot afford to make too many mistakes in hiring.
 
Well it is very shocking but I know some CS/IT engg graduates who don't know even to write a "Hello world" program in C :facepalm: and mostly being general category students! :( In my college when an MVP came to hold a seminar, more than 90% of students (CS/IT) said he's all bouncer! even some students complained that hemust teach in hindi as his english is not understandable! :ashamed:. With these quality of students I really don't wonder why don't we've any MS or Google in India, forget our "IT gaint tag" holycrap! :(
 
JuGGa said:
Well it is very shocking but I know some CS/IT engg graduates who don't know even to write a "Hello world" program in C :facepalm: and mostly being general category students! :( In my college when an MVP came to hold a seminar, more than 90% of students (CS/IT) said he's all bouncer! even some students complained that hemust teach in hindi as his english is not understandable! :ashamed:. With these quality of students I really don't wonder why don't we've any MS or Google in India, forget our "IT gaint tag" holycrap! :(
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Better story:

lab viva last year

S: Sir

G: Person sitting next to me (She's a 9 pointer but never gets decent lab grades)

We are using TC

S: Where are the executable files made when you click compile

G: Looking around lost, finds her way to the .C source files

S: No, I'm asking about the .exe files

Me: **literally facepalming the entire time sitting next to her**

S: Ok, go to C:/TC/BIN

G: **navigates there, finds the .exe file**

S: See the size of the .EXE file (30kB) and the size of your source file (500B) Why is the exe file so much bigger

G: We ran the exe so many times so it got bigger

Sir and me look at each other, simultaneous facepalm

S: (to me) answer that question correctly and you get an A+
 
@Lord Nemesis and whatsinaname

Wow! Never knew the situation is so bad when you interview candidates from even reputed colleges :O

IMO, one reason behind this is herd mentality. It starts in 12th...many of my friends are going for engg..I must do the same. Or my parents asked/forced me to go to engg (other option was medical but I hate biology).
So once everyone is set on engg, people start prep (mug up and puke on answer sheet). Once you get relatively good marks in CET/JEE/AIEEE, search begins - which is the top stream currently (no idea what interests me! So I want to continue with the herd :facepalm:)...so many clueless top scorers go for CS/IT/E&TC etc streams. Again the mug up and puke saga continues for 4 more years...
After couple of years in IT, the herd targets MBA as its next destination and.... :facepalm:

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@ Lord Nemesis / whatsinaname
Where do you guys work? And are there any openings :P
Off topic/
 
mehrotra.akash said:
Better story:

lab viva last year

S:Sir

G:Person sitting next to me (She's a 9 pointer but never gets decent lab grades)
We are using TC
S:Where are the executable files made when you click compile
G:Looking around lost, finds her way to the .C source files
S:No, I'm asking about the .exe files
Me: **literally facepalming the entire time sitting next to her**
S:Ok, go to C:/TC/BIN
G:**navigates there, finds the .exe file**
S: See the size of the .EXE file (30kB) and the size of your source file (500B) Why is the exe file so much bigger
G: We ran the exe so many times so it got bigger

Sir and me look at each other, simultaneous facepalm

S:(to me) answer that question correctly and you get an A+
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:lol: BTW whats the 2nd question answer? :bleh: I think I know but not sure :|
 
RVK2488 said:
@Lord Nemesis and whatsinaname

Wow! Never knew the situation is so bad when you interview candidates from even reputed colleges :O

IMO, one reason behind this is herd mentality. It starts in 12th...many of my friends are going for engg..I must do the same. Or my parents asked/forced me to go to engg (other option was medical but I hate biology).

So once everyone is set on engg, people start prep (mug up and puke on answer sheet). Once you get relatively good marks in CET/JEE/AIEEE, search begins - which is the top stream currently (no idea what interests me! So I want to continue with the herd :facepalm:)...so many clueless top scorers go for CS/IT/E&TC etc streams. Again the mug up and puke saga continues for 4 more years...

After couple of years in IT, the herd targets MBA as its next destination and.... :facepalm:

True.. so true

And then you end up with people who will not get through the interview of comapnies like SAP Labs, and say it was too technical after studying CSE for 3 years

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@ Lord Nemesis / whatsinaname

Where do you guys work? And are there any openings :P

Off topic/
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EVERYONE wants to know that!!!
 
RVK2488 said:
@Lord Nemesis and whatsinaname

Wow! Never knew the situation is so bad when you interview candidates from even reputed colleges :O

IMO, one reason behind this is herd mentality. It starts in 12th...many of my friends are going for engg..I must do the same. Or my parents asked/forced me to go to engg (other option was medical but I hate biology).
So once everyone is set on engg, people start prep (mug up and puke on answer sheet). Once you get relatively good marks in CET/JEE/AIEEE, search begins - which is the top stream currently (no idea what interests me! So I want to continue with the herd :facepalm:)...so many clueless top scorers go for CS/IT/E&TC etc streams. Again the mug up and puke saga continues for 4 more years...
After couple of years in IT, the herd targets MBA as its next destination and.... :facepalm:

/Off topic
@ Lord Nemesis / whatsinaname
Where do you guys work? And are there any openings :P
Off topic/
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True, I'm asking this question to everybody out there- If you clear JEE but not getting your "interested" branch (in which you're actually interested, not going after herd), how many ppl have got the guts to leave the IITs just for the sake of their branch? Till date, I haven't came across a single person to say YES! :facepalm:
 
JuGGa said:
True, I'm asking this question to everybody out there- If you clear JEE but not getting your "interested" branch (in which you're actually interested, not going after herd), how many ppl have got the guts to leave the IITs just for the sake of their branch? Till date, I haven't came across a single person to say YES! :facepalm:
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I kind of did that, left environmental in DCE for CSE at Manipal

Infact I would say that 10-20% of the people in my class are those who missed CSE in the NIT's and decided to select the branch of their choice over the college
 
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