Mindtree Or Infosys?

[vercetti]

See...I knew that Most of the ppl here are unaware of 70% of the good things about infy. And just because of the some blogs and HR policy changes they have made a judgement on infy.

^ :O You are making me consider joining Infy

All I am saying is .... Pls HATE INFY...but for the right reasons.

I hate infy because of mainly one thing: Infy is trying to change its core values and become more money minded. earlier the employees used to benefit a lot from any profits and milestones in Infy. But now since its a huge company and the founders are no longer incharge, u see a huge difference from what it was 8 years ago

But I still like Infy because:

U have a choice to relocate to the dozen different offices around India. Its diffucult to relocate but easy compared to other companies.

Onsite oppurtunities

U always have the flexibility to work in many technologies.

If u want and u have intrest in doing something of ur own; Infy has a huge amount of hardware resources at ur disposal which u can use.

and many more:

Note: For all; i am planning to move out of Infy after a yr. 1 yr cause I am gonna start my last Melbourne tour next week which will last for 8-9 months prolly. Its not becuse I hate infy; its just becuase I wanna move on and not be too attached to Infy

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[/COLOR]Not necessarily true. If u are in a US based project this is true.

But for othe projects/Units; if u show the capability to manage and perform interacting iwth the client and rise above ur peers u will be sent. That's a fact and that only happens in Infy

But a fresher joining Infosys wont probably get an onsite opportunity until 2 to 2.5 years. And yes onsite renumeration is good in Infy.

Moreoevr..freshers are not sent onsite as they need to have some maturity before they are sent to handle the pressure of Onsite. Its not easy being at onsite and managing the client expectations and the Offshore teams expectations; both at the same time.

 

[greenhorn]

But I still like Infy because:

Onsite oppurtunities

for you perhaps, because you're with the haves in the visa divide. those who have a valid visa keep getting sent again and again ( and most of them are tired of it) while those who dont have a visa will never get one

U always have the flexibility to work in many technologies.

Questionable. You WILL have to work as per what the higher ups deem is the business requirement. You may get to work on many technologies, none of which you want

If u want and u have intrest in doing something of ur own; Infy has a huge amount of hardware resources at ur disposal which u can use.

Its hard getting a voip phone. Getting any sort of hardware without a justified business requirement is impossible. That is , unless you mean freeloading on the printers on copiers

and many more:

please do let us know. Things might be easy for you. But things get progressively worse down the food chain. My manager/leads are still genuinely optimistic, much like you are, because they know it was once better, and still can be. But for the rest of us, there is little cause for joy, having been shafted from day one

Not necessarily true. If u are in a US based project this is true.

but the majority of projects are US!

But for othe projects/Units; if u show the capability to manage and perform interacting iwth the client and rise above ur peers u will be sent. That's a fact and that only happens in Infy

And if there is a requirement at onsite, the probablity of which is quite low, and combined with the fact that they will send someone who already has a visa for said country... chances are dismal

Moreoevr..freshers are not sent onsite as they need to have some maturity before they are sent to handle the pressure of Onsite. Its not easy being at onsite and managing the client expectations and the Offshore teams expectations; both at the same time.

Obviously, but some of us here are pushing 4years + with no hint of onsite in sight

 

[raksrules]

@vercetti

Although i cannot attribute this to Infy but my bad luck with H1 has been such that 2 years back to back it did not get selected in lottery Then next year when recession struck i told them no to initiate my H1 since if ever i had got it then my doors of other geographies would have been closed and possibily at this point too i would have never been onsite. Inshort going US is not a big deal but getting opportunity for other geographies, we have to fight a lot and i guess you will second me on that.

 

[vercetti]

Completely wrong...I got onsite aftre 3 yrs.. Even I had my shares of immensly back lucks

My US visa was rejected 3 fuking times.... !!!!get it... 3 times

for 3 fuking years.. i wa at offshore watching each of my traning freinds enjoy 1 -2 yrs of onsite and I was sulking at offshore...

I never gave hope...I was then given a task to bring up a team of 40 PPl and thrown to chennai to do the jon...Even though I was a SE at that time with no Fuking management experience...I took it up..

Once I exwecuted the full thing in Chennai and came back to bangalore I was told ...NO Onsite..can u beleive that?

I escalated this and still no results...

Then I took one ofg the hardest decision that I have taken in my life...I went against mY DM's, PM's and unit head... I literally went to each and even GPM in each building and asked for onsite oppurtunities and after 2 months of perseverence I got an oppurtunity..

It was diffucult to get the transfer but I did it...I had to clear multiple rounds of interview but yet again I did it

So don't give the example to being on the visa divide side...i first went to UK and my expected tenure was for 2 yrs...but I was again thrown back to INDIa in fuking 2 months because the recession had forced the project to downsize...

I never gave hope and joined a OZ project where they told me /...."STRITCLY NO ONSITE" but after 2 months they initiated my Visa as they needed my skill set for a critc=ical deployment in Melbourne and noone could gear up for the task in such short duration

NOTE: Less than 40% of the projects are US based...we have so many projects in canada and Mexico.

recently, Infy got its biggest RFP from a non US based client...telstra

for you perhaps, because you're with the haves in the visa divide. those who have a valid visa keep getting sent again and again ( and most of them are tired of it) while those who dont have a visa will never get one

Rakes...read above...My experience is similar to urs till 3 yrs of infy experience

@vercetti

Although i cannot attribute this to Infy but my bad luck with H1 has been such that 2 years back to back it did not get selected in lottery Then next year when recession struck i told them no to initiate my H1 since if ever i had got it then my doors of other geographies would have been closed and possibily at this point too i would have never been onsite. Inshort going US is not a big deal but getting opportunity for other geographies, we have to fight a lot and i guess you will second me on that.

BTW:" Just hylighting my onsite experience till date: 6 onsites and all for 1 -2 months. In all instances I was promished 2 yrs but somehow something went wrong...

My points is....there is alays hope and u shopukld think out of the box and if u prove urself noone can stop ur onsite...abso;utely noone

I am now forced to go onsite...without my will as I have become so critical for a project in which I am for just 6 months

and just FYI...i leave office at 6 PM every fuking day

 

[raksrules]

Although you did have your share of issues, but believe me you fought really hard to get opportunity. So basic thing if an individual does not push he may actually never go onsite. Even i had to fight a lot for non US opportunities which resulted in me travelling to Canada and China. Till date i do not have a H1 which means on H1 the earliest i can travel to US is end of 2011 if ever my visa is initiated next time.

Btw do they initiate L1 in Infy now ? I am from IT background and have little less than 5 years of experience working as TL ?? Will they consider mine if i say ? Moreover now i have onsite as only saving grace after the compensation review that i have been

 

[vercetti]

^^They do initiate L1 at infy but the rules for L1 has become more stringent forcing infy to apply lesser L1 applications. But they do apply

Even I don't have L1 or HI Visa dude...I suggest u try for UK and other APAC countries. Salary in US is peanuts compared to places like Zurich. Zurich infy pays u almost double the US salary after tax deductions.

I agree u need to push hard to get onsite oppurtunity and ur luck also plays a role here. But this is the case for every other company... U need to push to get noticed

 

[eggman]

Oftopic thread!!!

Since I am gonna MBA after 2 years anyway, I need to know which company's experience will be counted as more valuable. (Infy's training is valued more, ASAIK) Moreover, SInce I will have to prepare and stuff for the MBA entrance exams , under working for which company will it be relatively easier?

 

[raksrules]

Oftopic thread!!!

Since I am gonna MBA after 2 years anyway, I need to know which company's experience will be counted as more valuable. (Infy's training is valued more, ASAIK) Moreover, SInce I will have to prepare and stuff for the MBA entrance exams , under working for which company will it be relatively easier?

Infy in that case. Assuming you joining as fresher you will be spending around 7 months in training and then you getting a project is a 50-50 chance. So you may stay on bench and prepare for your MBA exams.

 

[tifosi]

Wow hardcore inf0sci0n here

No offense, just that been a while since I've come across one

 

[vercetti]

^^ I guess u are talking about me... I too hate infy and am looking to change shortly...

But I just want to ppl to know the exact reasons why they should hate infy and not because of some newspaper article and blog says otherwise... I have seen the ppl and environment change so I can comment on these

 

[tifosi]

Yes, but I'm sure greenhorn and raksrules know exactly what they're talking about having worked there and not going by some newspaper article.

Also, all this is irrelevant since the OP wants to work only for 1-2 years in which case infy is not suitable.

 

[vercetti]

^^Err... opinons can be formed with just one bad experience...if u read above I have explained that also...even I have gone thru what they have gone thru and have come out of it and am quite satisfied now

that's what everyone has pointed out...if u wanna work for 1-2 yrs....infy would be the best chice

training for 6 months in a center which is more like a resort

1.5 yrs in which u would be in bench for 6-7 months giving u time to prepare for ur exams

No other company has the bench strength like infy (I am saying it with pride even though I know its one of the worst things about infy ....lolol)

 

[tifosi]

Actually, what matters here is whether Mindtree has a "service agreement" similar to Infy's ? If it doesnt, I would blindly go with Mindtree.

 

[vercetti]

^^ Infy's agreement is for 12 months...so if u wrk for 2 yrs... the agreement really doesn't matter

moreoever the agreement is due to the training which as per infy's calculation is 5 lakhs that it investes on u...so it expects u to wrk for 6 months for its investment...

so if working for 12 months or more then agreement wouldn't really matter

 

[cri_sss]

I don't know whether you made up your mind or not.

Only thing in infy is in your hands is finding good friends(both girl and boys ) in training. Thats it. Rest all depends on luck and nothing is in your hand. i.e Technology, Whether you get into Dev or tester etc. Location too. If you are from North you will be given chennai,tvm and if you are from south then they will give pune, Bhubaneswar.

Very few people will get onsite and they will stay there for long. so chances are slim. Many people like you who want to pursue mba but they havent dont that. may be when u r seriously preparing you may get onsite or you will be busy with project deadlines.

Coming to Vercetti he is bang dc there are many opportunities compared to other dcs. Going to US is purely luck. If you are comp science graduate then chances are there for US like L1b but it all depends on your mangaer and the account. for eg in my case i was having Aus visa at that time and was in US account. They are not ready to release me and not sending to us showing technicalities like i was not eligible to L1b as company policy is 6 years for a non comp graduate and also i'm having aus visa. I have to fight fight fight with my dm,spm and they screwed my crr and finally they have no other option but to release and luckily i got an opportunity so could able to fly to onsite after 2 years.

My advice is strictly no to infy if you are passionate person, because you will lose your creativity and all.

If you can able to maintain self targets like you not missing your preparation for mba then u can consider. I have seen people left immediately after a year for pursuing higher studies but after 2 years in infy i haven't seen anybody left infy for higher studies.

In infy for good career join as a lateral, u will be given more salary and u can bargain for onsite too. People who joined with equally my exp are like leads and with very good package compared to us who joined as fresher.

Bye the way i'm from infy for the past 4 years 3 months. Joined as a fresher.

 

[raksrules]

In infy for good career join as a lateral, u will be given more salary and u can bargain for onsite too. People who joined with equally my exp are like leads and with very good package compared to us who joined as fresher.

This is cent percent true. Infy does not respect its employees who joined as freshers. They are taken for granted.

 

[Gannu]

Some nice views put forth by vercetti. Respect to you dude!

 

[archish]

OP if you are very sure of working only for max 2 years infy would be very good choice indeed. The training is worldclass and it will add value to your profile later on. As a fresher growing up the ladder in infy is slow and takes lot of time. Its better to join as a lateral instead. One thing which is very clear is you will become more dumb as you spend more time in a big company life infy. The work maybe repetitive if you are stuck to one proj and sometimes its very hard getting a release and you would mostly end up fighting with your managers :/

A lot has been said about infy which is true and I dont think it should be of much concern as you have a definite plan