NASA's Cassini Discovers Potential Liquid Water on Enceladus

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NASA's Cassini spacecraft may have found evidence of liquid water reservoirs that erupt in Yellowstone-like geysers on Saturn's moon Enceladus. The rare occurrence of liquid water so near the surface raises many new questions about the mysterious moon.

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Plumes of icy material extend above the southern polar region of Saturn’s moon Enceladus as imaged by the Cassini spacecraft in February 2005. The monochrome view is presented along with a color-coded version on the right. The latter reveals a fainter and much more extended plume component.

"We realize that this is a radical conclusion -- that we may have evidence for liquid water within a body so small and so cold," said Dr. Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team leader at Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo. "However, if we are right, we have significantly broadened the diversity of solar system environments where we might possibly have conditions suitable for living organisms."

High-resolution Cassini images show icy jets and towering plumes ejecting large quantities of particles at high speed. Scientists examined several models to explain the process. They ruled out the idea that the particles are produced by or blown off the moon's surface by vapor created when warm water ice converts to a gas. Instead, scientists have found evidence for a much more exciting possibility -- the jets might be erupting from near-surface pockets of liquid water above 0 degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit), like cold versions of the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone.

Mission scientists report these and other Enceladus findings in this week's issue of Science.

Other unexplained oddities now make sense. "As Cassini approached Saturn, we discovered that the Saturnian system is filled with oxygen atoms. At the time we had no idea where the oxygen was coming from," said Dr. Candy Hansen, Cassini scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena. "Now we know that Enceladus is spewing out water molecules, which break down into oxygen and hydrogen."

Scientists still have many questions. Why is Enceladus currently so active? Are other sites on Enceladus active? Might this activity have been continuous enough over the moon's history for life to have had a chance to take hold in the moon's interior?
 
Human beings cant live on other planets. They cant live in water...forget other planets.

On other notes ( in Hinduism ) , we are not spiritually qualified to go to other planets. Thats it. Makes no sense by burning so many dollars!!
 
Lol?

Who cares about Religion, if you have to go to another Planet to save your Life, rather to save your ENTIRE SPECIES.
 
goldenfrag said:
Lol?

Who cares about Religion, if you have to go to another Planet to save your Life, rather to save your ENTIRE SPECIES.

Why go to another planet. Earth is 30% land and 70% water. Why not methods to start living in water. We will hav food right at our doorstep!!

To save our life, we need women. Men are egoistic fools and very sadistic at times. Make such a man a leader and there is doom. Women are more sane then men. They are not imperialistic
 
I saw this on the news the other day but only had a vague idea about it until now. Sounds cool but space colonisation sounds fairly impossible aand I'm not even gonna bring religion into all of this.

Also, TheBroker can't be for real.:P
 
Dudes,don't mix religion and science.The Americans have done enough damage by introducing the ID discussion in science classes.

Also as a hindu i can say that crossing oceans too is barred for hindus.thats why Mahatma Gandhi and Srinivasa Ramanujam hesitated to go abroad and in the end their good sense prevailed and the rest is history.

my 2cents
 
kumar said:
i can say that crossing oceans too is barred for hindus

No. That's just stupid superstition. Show me where in the scriptures Hindus are barred from crossing large water bodies.:no:

unlucky_devil said:
Thebroker what does this spirutually qualified mean...

Hindu scriptures say that the material body is incapable of going into space and only the soul can transcend worlds.
 
Oh damn,

why does religion even came into picture.

This is god damn scientific discovery. and comeon, we were not meant to do lots of stuff, human body is incapable of travelling at speeds that we do on normal rickshow. Did that stop you from riding bike, car, plane or train?

And how is this different? And this is god damn probe, we are not gone beyond moon yet.

We shouldnt be able to treat diseases that were thought to be terminal just 50 years ago, human body wont survive without medical help in many disease, its not meant to. does that mean we should stop doing all that???

This is what science is all about. To achieve and do things that we thought were humanly impossible. Hell you are eating food that is not meant to be grown in India daily.

Keep religion and spiritualism out of science.
 
religion and science read angels and demons. as for living under water i suppose thats one thing scientist could think considering the fact that due to global warming the earth might soon be covered by nothing but water
 
Just to clarify. I'm not saying humans can't go into space, I was mearly explaining what Thebroker may have been implying with his post. It's hard to disprove the lunar landings despite all the controvesy surrounding it.

It's just that I find that there is a lot of misconceptions about religion here.
 
Ck Nish said:
Just to clarify. I'm not saying humans can't go into space, I was mearly explaining what Thebroker may have been implying with his post. It's hard to disprove the lunar landings despite all the controvesy surrounding it.

It's just that I find that there is a lot of misconceptions about religion here.

Yeah, we underestimate Hinduism for 1

And the second, by not reading the Gita, I realise that we should follow what our scriptures say. They are not to stop you from living a life, they just tell how to live a better life.
 
Yeah, we underestimate Hinduism for 1

noone underestimates Hinduism Dude...Just that a true Hindu shoud Know that ur scriptures tell you to choose ourown path & destiny... :P

nothing more , nothing less...and if this path takes her/him to the top of the Andes, or the surface of the moon..so be it :)

BTW this thread is gng totally OT :P
 
noone underestimates Hinduism Dude...Just that a true Hindu shoud Know that ur scriptures tell you to choose our own path & destiny...

We are not underestimating Hinduism but youll not understand religion unless you've read the religious books..... you already have pre -conceived notions and it's difficult for me to clear them to you. You will realise the superlative when you read the Gita ( I have known people who are in their 40s and 50s and are repenting when their seniors and teachers told them to read the GIta in their youth and they are reading it now and repenting when they told in their youth)

I'll not get preachy but you are WRONG. You cannot judge a book by its cover. On the cover of the Gita, its Arjuna and Krishna with the background of war but the talk is for all mankind regardless of caste, creed, religion and colour.

What is there to me, I am not a yogi and I have changed my thoughts. Its further upto anyone reading this to read the Gita or not, I AM NOT FORCING ANYONE TO READ IT.
 
people in earth are very much concerned abt depleting water resources. they find many things space.but its of no use.its all abt knowledge.
 
Ok 1st,Hinduism is NOT a religion.Its a way of life.In Hinduism,u do what u feel is correct within some guide lines.Thats why we don't have a religious head like the Pope.

To quote about.com
http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa090199.htm

Hinduism does not have any one founder, and it does not have a Bible or a Koran to which controversies can be referred for resolution. Consequently, it does not require its adherents to accept any one idea. It is thus cultural, not creedal, with a history contemporaneous with the peoples with which it is associated.

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
[^^^A good read bitween.Very well written]

The term Hinduism is an amorphous concept as Hinduism consists of several schools of thought
 
kumar said:
Ok 1st,Hinduism is NOT a religion.Its a way of life.

Sorry, but religion is a way of life.

kumar said:
In Hinduism,u do what u feel is correct within some guide lines

Which Is diffrent from every other religion, how?

kumar said:
Thats why we don't have a religious head like the Pope

Islam and Judaism do'nt have a religious head either but I don't hear anyone calling them 'ways of life'.

wikipedia said:
Hinduism does not have any one founder

I do'nt see how that is even important. Judaism does'nt have a founder either.

wikipedia said:
it does not have a Bible or a Koran to which controversies can be referred for resolution.

Hello? the Bhagwad Gita anyone?
 
Which Is diffrent from every other religion, how?

In Hinduism,one can interpret the scripturs in one's own way unlike in christianity and islam where There are strict rules which must be followed.

Islam and Judaism do'nt have a religious head either but I don't hear anyone calling them 'ways of life'.

"I" AM not calling Hinduism a way of life,many people much much more learned than me call it that way.Also,Im not saying that Hinduism is a way of life 'because' it doesnot have a religious head.Its because of the hugely varied schools of thought that exist in Hunduism that it can't be branded in one bundle.

From Wikipedia
The Hindu kingdoms of West Asia of the second millennium BC precede the rise of Judaism, and the commonality between Hinduism and Judaism has been traced as a remembrance of the Hindu past. The Rigveda knows Yahvah as one name of Agni. Tha Ugarits, a Hebraic people, spoke of 33 gods just as in the Veda.

Hinduism has much in common with Judaism. The two faiths' monist mystic streams, kabalistic Judaism and Advaita Vedanta, have so much in common that some scholars have seen the differences as being limited to mere nomenclature; this includes perceptions of illusory superimposition upon a divine monad, pantheism/panentheism and belief in knowledge of the self leading to salvation/liberation. If the broader Hindu religion, however, is taken as a faith (though impossible it is to condense its many beliefs into one system) and compared to Judaism, the primary difference can be seen in the fact that Judaism does not admit deities, even if such deities are but emanations or different aspects/forms of a singular and same source, Brahman (whether one God or a formless monad).

Hinduism and Judaism are closely related but Judaism doesn't have so many streams of beliefs.Thats the main reason Hinduism can't be classified in a simple manner as a religion.

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Originally Posted by wikipedia
Hinduism does not have any one founder
I do'nt see how that is even important. Judaism does'nt have a founder either.

I quoted that to state that as a consequence of hinduism not having a founder as such,we don't have such strict religious code as the Sharia

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة; also Sharī'ah, Shari'a, Shariah or Syariah) is the Arabic word for Islamic law, also known as the Law of Allah, and governs both secular and religious life of the devout Muslim.Sharia covers not only religious rituals, but many aspects of day-to-day life, politics, economics, banking, business or contract law, and social issues.

We don't have such strict controll over our lives.Even being an Atheist is ok with Hinduism.
Originally Posted by wikipedia
it does not have a Bible or a Koran to which controversies can be referred for resolution.
Hello? the Bhagwad Gita anyone?

From Here Atheism In Hinduism
Hinduism is just a way of life. It is characterized only by the way of life of it's people. It is open to criticism. NO talk is profane. NO debate is blasphemous. It accepts ideas at all times. It allows changes at all times. It does not dictate terms to people. Any person who lives in Indian sub-continent and thus lives accordingly to it's life style is a HINDU.

We seem to be fascinated by the extreme devotion people show in our country. But we are at the same time concentrating on few principles written by few people who only contributed to the 'religion' in facing the challenge from the alien religions (Alien religions are 'Islam' and 'Christianity'). They are no propounders of 'Hinduism' which has been exisiting for over thousand years.

One may start arguing taking 'Gita' as basic guide. But one doesn't ever notice that never does it mention that you should definitely believe in a god to be a Hindu. It only talks of a supernatural being who shall always be there to guide you, Karma, Moksha etc. It guides a man on how he should live, rather it expounds on an ideal life. But never does it talk of rules to be followed to be a Hindu. It is a big blunder if we start considering 'Gita' as a religious book. It is not similar to 'Bible' or 'Koran'. They are religious books but 'Gita' isn't. as such it is just a part of a big epic 'Mahabharatha'.

We may go on to say that Vedas are our religious books. But again we are wrong. Vedas again expound on life style of the people. Vedas never talk of an atheist nor does it consider an atheist to a heathen or a heretic nor does it outcast any atheist. Vedas only talk of a way of life by which you attain certain higher things in life. It does not at all talk of any God. They have been misinterpreted by so many people through ages that we have a completely different society altogether resulting in a deep-rooted class based society.
 
I quoted that to state that as a consequence of hinduism not having a founder as such,we don't have such strict religious code as the Sharia

We had the manusmriti .....but its irrelevant for the current age. And no offences but Islamic law is more inclined towards men...( ref ..the Imrana rape case)

In Hinduism,one can interpret the scripturs in one's own way unlike in christianity and islam where There are strict rules which must be followed.

How many in Christianity do u think follow the ten commandments. Or is Islam being followed truly. We all are sinners.
We all lust, are greedy and get angry at the slightest provocation ( in the Gita, they are the gateways to hell, and hell is only for those who sin in the extreme )

Thats why we don't have a religious head like the Pope.

Neither do the Muslims have 1. There are many conflicts betw Shias n Sunni's

In Hinduism,one can interpret the scripturs in one's own way unlike in christianity and islam where There are strict rules which must be followed.

The ultimate lord above the trinity Bramha, Vishnu and Shiva/Mahesh is one. He's Brahman and the Gayatri Mantra is sung for him

ॐ भूर्भुवस्वः ।
तत् सवितुर्वरेण्यं ।
भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि ।
धियो यो नः प्रचोदयात् ॥
"O God, Thou art the giver of life, the remover of pain and sorrow, the bestower of happiness; O Creator of the Universe, may we receive Thy supreme, sin destroying light; may Thou guide our intellect in the right direction."

Hinduism and Judaism are closely related but Judaism doesn't have so many streams of beliefs.Thats the main reason Hinduism can't be classified in a simple manner as a religion.

There are even some schools of thought where Jesus is believed to be an incarnation of Krishna since both had very similar lives if you see.
 
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