- What is your budget?
- 2-2.5 lakh
- What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)
- NA
- Which hardware will you be keeping (component name - component brand and model)
- Monitor - BenQ 24 inch 1080p
- Which hardware component are you looking to buy (component name). If you have already decided on a configuration then please mention the (component brand and model) as well, this will help us in fine tuning your requirement.
- CPU - Intel Core i7 13700
- Motherboard - ASUS TUF GAMING Z790 PLUS WIFI DDR5
- GPU - Used 3090/A5000/4090 (need 24GB VRAM)
- PSU - CORSAIR RM1000e (2023) Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply
- Storage - SSD - WD SN850x with heatsink
- RAM - CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM RGB BLACK 32GBX2 5600MHZ DDR5
- Cabinet - CORSAIR 4000d Airflow
- UPS - Please suggest any suitable UPS
- AIO - Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240L Core 240mm ARGB CPU Liquid Cooler
- Open to suggestions on the above parts
- Is this going to be your final configuration or you would be adding/upgrading a component in near future. If yes then please mention when and which component
- Monitor - probably will switch to a 4K monitor later
- Where will you buy this hardware? (Online/City/TE Dealer)
- Delhi (Nehru Place)
- TE Dealer (for used GPU)
- Also Open to online purchase
- What is your intended use for this PC/hardware
- ML
- Dev machine - running multiple containers, multiple browser tabs, Intellij IDE
- Would be running under load for long durations.
- Won't be gaming
- Do you have any brand preference or dislike? Please name them and the reason for your preference/dislike.
- NA
- If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing?
- NA
- What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
- 4k
- Are you looking to overclock?
- No
- Which operating system do you intend to use with this configuration?
- Linux - Manjaro
Budget 90k+ Need a build for software dev + machine learning
- Thread starter joeldev
- Start date
In the same boat.. I am also trying to start with ML. For this I plan to follow cs 50's AI to cover the fundamentals and then explore in the areas that interest me.
OMEGA44-XT
Level H
IMO your build looks good. I have the following suggestions:
- Cooler - Get 360mm AIO. 13700K draws 250W like 12900K. You can get many videos on how hot 12900K gets. 13900K is worse. Check Lian Li Galahad 360mm, check Gamers Nexus reviews of AIOs. MSI M360 is cheaper.
- UPS - Get a pure sine wave 2kVA inverter ideally with 200Ah battery, check the power output carefully as 1.5kVA inverters can output 1000W+ but might not be enough if you decide to use other home appliances on it as well. Else, get 1.5kVA UPS, APC is the popular choice.
- RAM - Get DDR5 6000MHz CL36 or lower latency, these aren't very expensive now, unless aesthetics are the priority.
www.pcstudio.in
- SSD - What capacity? Cost? Avoid 1TB SN850X heatsink because of cost as KC3000 2TB is ~12k now. Also, mobo has heatsink on 3 of its 4 NVMe slots. So heatsink on NVMe is not required. Use the top most NVMe slot first for OS + main usage.
If you get a deal on used 3090 for 60k or so, it will save you a good amount of money. Can consider i9 13900K if you want more cores. Undervolt 13900K or 13700K to reduce power draw, learn it. Not sure how much impact jumping from 3090 to 4090 will make in your usage.
- Cooler - Get 360mm AIO. 13700K draws 250W like 12900K. You can get many videos on how hot 12900K gets. 13900K is worse. Check Lian Li Galahad 360mm, check Gamers Nexus reviews of AIOs. MSI M360 is cheaper.
- UPS - Get a pure sine wave 2kVA inverter ideally with 200Ah battery, check the power output carefully as 1.5kVA inverters can output 1000W+ but might not be enough if you decide to use other home appliances on it as well. Else, get 1.5kVA UPS, APC is the popular choice.
- RAM - Get DDR5 6000MHz CL36 or lower latency, these aren't very expensive now, unless aesthetics are the priority.
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- SSD - What capacity? Cost? Avoid 1TB SN850X heatsink because of cost as KC3000 2TB is ~12k now. Also, mobo has heatsink on 3 of its 4 NVMe slots. So heatsink on NVMe is not required. Use the top most NVMe slot first for OS + main usage.
If you get a deal on used 3090 for 60k or so, it will save you a good amount of money. Can consider i9 13900K if you want more cores. Undervolt 13900K or 13700K to reduce power draw, learn it. Not sure how much impact jumping from 3090 to 4090 will make in your usage.
Okh....can u point to some videos or materials for same.
You'll probably want something more reliable, so I'd suggest steering away from AIOs. Go for a good air cooler like the Deepcool AK620 or Noctua NH D15. It's mostly your GPU doing the grunt work anyway, so you don't have to worry about cooling.
Swap out the SSD for something like a Samsung 970 Evo plus or WD SN570.
For the motherboard, any basic Z790 will work. Consider the Gigabyte Z790 UD AC.
Not a geek, but just my 2 cents.
With that budget, i will enquire best hardware providers who deal in premium high-end products for a custom built, asking them about best configuration they can offer.
Now you can post those configurations here seeking suggestions, there are lots of geeks here, who might have practically used/read about those products and give you right suggestions
OMEGA44-XT
Level H
Don't rely on shopkeepers hoping that they are the expert. Ideally do your own research. People like me can suggest few stuff, but still do your research. Consider suggestions of people like me as a guiding light, not everyone here knows everything well, some might not be updated with latest stuff as well.
Regarding shopkeepers, 1 seller in Bengaluru told me R5 3600 is better than i5 12400 in gaming because of higher cache. He cleverly told lies with enough technical words to make a normal person fall for it. But in reality, i5 12400 is noticeably better than R5 3600 across the board, be it gaming or productivity. So just an example.
Thanks,
No not any shopkeepers, but there are lots of big players in industry who deal in genuine and high end products.
Thanks for the suggestions. Will check 360mm coolers. Will use SN850x 2tb without heatsink.IMO your build looks good. I have the following suggestions:
- Cooler - Get 360mm AIO. 13700K draws 250W like 12900K. You can get many videos on how hot 12900K gets. 13900K is worse. Check Lian Li Galahad 360mm, check Gamers Nexus reviews of AIOs. MSI M360 is cheaper.
- UPS - Get a pure sine wave 2kVA inverter ideally with 200Ah battery, check the power output carefully as 1.5kVA inverters can output 1000W+ but might not be enough if you decide to use other home appliances on it as well. Else, get 1.5kVA UPS, APC is the popular choice.
- RAM - Get DDR5 6000MHz CL36 or lower latency, these aren't very expensive now, unless aesthetics are the priority.
Adata Xpg Lancer Rgb 32Gb 6000Mhz Ddr5 CL30 Desktop Ram
Buy Adata Xpg Lancer Rgb 32Gb 6000Mhz Ddr5 CL30 Desktop Ram (AX5U6000C3032G-CLARBK) online at a very low price in India | UDIMM Factor | Limited Lifetime
- SSD - What capacity? Cost? Avoid 1TB SN850X heatsink because of cost as KC3000 2TB is ~12k now. Also, mobo has heatsink on 3 of its 4 NVMe slots. So heatsink on NVMe is not required. Use the top most NVMe slot first for OS + main usage.
If you get a deal on used 3090 for 60k or so, it will save you a good amount of money. Can consider i9 13900K if you want more cores. Undervolt 13900K or 13700K to reduce power draw, learn it. Not sure how much impact jumping from 3090 to 4090 will make in your usage.
Will any APC 1.5kVA UPS work or do I need to check anything else while selecting one?
Will keep in mind regarding the air coolers.
Yeah sure, I plan to work through the following course/videos. Once these are clear, will explore for other materials.
1. cs50.harvard.edu/ai/2023/
2. Andrej Karpathy - YouTube
OMEGA44-XT
Level H
Don't buy the heatsink variant. Also, if the price is too high, can buy KC3000 instead.
Any 1.5kVA UPS should work, just check their power output rating in W.
IMO avoid air coolers. Just check the difference in temp, performance & freq between good 360mm AIOs & NH D15. You should find the data online. If you are willing to undervolt & maybe limit the performance a bit if temps are still above 90C, then can consider air coolers as they are much more reliable for sure. Do remember that most reviewers keep ambient temp at 21C & India is hotter country. AIOs last 4-5 years, although newer ones have 5 year warranty from some companies.
The 13700 non K doesn't just have a locked multiplier, but a lower boost clock as well.
Even if you don't plan on overclocking, you should get the K or KF
One guy over the phone tried to convince me than CL19 RAM is better than CL18 RAM (same MT/s), because it is newer.
Going to a shop and giving them a budget and trusting them to give you the best bang for the buck is not a wise move. Most will try to give you the least capable specs and overcharge you, and make you think that's the best deal you're gonna get.
So get a list of parts, ask around for lowest price of each and buy them. You don't have to buy all the parts at one shop either.
Sharing the final build for others reference. Total cost - Rs 2.33 Lakh
- CPU - Intel i7 13700k (41k)
- Motherboard - NZXT N7 Z790 (31k)
- GPU - Used Asus ROG Strix 3090 OC (72k)
- PSU - CORSAIR RM1000e (2023) (16k)
- Storage - WD BLACK SN850X 2TB (16k)
- RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32GB (32GBx2) DDR5 6000MHz (18k)
- Cabinet - Lian Li Lancool 216 (8k)
- UPS - APC BR1500 (16k)
- AIO - Lian Li Galahad II Trinity ARGB 360mm (15k)
OMEGA44-XT
Level H
Why an NZXT mobo vs Asus or MSI or Gigabyte? NZXT is not a traditional mobo manufacturer.
Storage still seems expensive considering KC3000's cost.
UPS - maybe consider a 1.5kVA sine wave inverter with UPS mode with 150Ah battery? Might cost 25k
Storage still seems expensive considering KC3000's cost.
UPS - maybe consider a 1.5kVA sine wave inverter with UPS mode with 150Ah battery? Might cost 25k
Total = 87k, out of which 46k doesn't even contribute directly to processing power.
Have you considered 7950X (53k) + X670 (25k) + air cooler (8k)? It will give similar single core performance as 13700k, but way better (actually currently the best) multi core performance, even with a cheaper air cooler.
This is generic advise of course, useless if your program actually needs single core performance, in which case your buy list will certainly let you OC the crap out of it.
Why not go for something simpler as an i5 13600K or Ryzen 9 7900 build? You have seem to have included a lot of stuff that contribute negligibly for reliability and performance.
You could go with any cheap Z790 motherboard, it wouldn't change a thing from the NZXT one you chose. Look into Gigabyte, Asus or MSI options.
From what I've noticed in a few ML labs, ML depends much more on your GPU, and IDEs barely require much of the 13700k, same with containers. Besides, the i5 13600k and Ryzen 9 7900 provide plenty enough horsepower anyway.
An air cooler like the AK 620 is enough as well, you're not running anything intensive, and even if you were running your CPU on load for longer periods of time (say 20 mins), you wouldn't notice much of a difference between the air cooler and an AIO in the results.
SN850X is fine but you could get away with a Kingston KC300 or Samsung 970 Evo Plus as well.
These are my opinions, but if you're willing to spend for the budget you've chosen, then your current build is good.
Had gone to purchase Asus Tuf gaming z790, but it was not available at that shop so chose NZXT mobo as
1. The shop would handle all the replacements/service in case of issues for NZXT, but for others mobo I need to contact their respective service centers.
2. Had similar specs and price with Tuf.
3. Its Asrock PCB and bios marketed as NZXT ( ).
Wasn't much sure how much periods of intensive load the CPU will run, as I remember compiling firefox source on my current i7 6700HQ and it took more than 40 mins. Just wanted to be on the safer side.
Had to chose AIO due to the above reasons and I wasn't sure if any more CPU performance would bring noticable quality of life improvement for the increased price.
Thank you all for your valuable feedbacks.
You misunderstood. Intel = 87k, AMD = 86k.
For 1k less, you are getting considerably better (+20%) multicore performance since more of the money is going into the CPU. For every hour the AMD takes to compile, the Intel would take 11 extra minutes:
And the AMD consumes less power as well. In fact even in 65W Eco mode, it is still faster than 13700k (missing in pic, compare the numbers):
Talking about thermals, both CPUs try to stay at their thermal limit to give max boost clock speeds. Whether you're using a 120mm single fan air cooler or a 360mm triple fan custom loop, the AMD will run at 95°C and Intel will run at 95-100°C under full load. It will hit this temperature in a matter of seconds - they are weird in that they are designed to operate at max temperature no matter how much cooling you have.
TLDR: 7950X outclasses a 13700k, and you will definitely notice the speed difference, even if you're using an air cooler. Both will run hot
(Sorry for the excess KT, I'm considering switching to Team Red and just did all this research
)
OMEGA44-XT
Level H
Considering the cooling requirement of Intel i7 13700K & i9 13900K, surely AMD becomes a better value. Even a power limited + UV R9 7950X on B650 will outperform i7 13700K anyday with ease.
But there are still tasks which run better on Intel vs AMD. Applies for GPU on Nvidia vs AMD as well. OP has to research these sadly.
But there are still tasks which run better on Intel vs AMD. Applies for GPU on Nvidia vs AMD as well. OP has to research these sadly.
Well, as mentioned a couple of posts above, both Intel and AMD tend to push for max frequencies even above 90 C. This doesn't have any impact on its life. While I'm fine with AIOs, I assume that you might also leave your system on over night sometimes. If this were frequent, I'd trust an air cooler more than an AIO.
Check this video for more in depth about Raptor lake cooling -