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TECH HUNTER
I think Ganesh has been quite honest and open with you regarding this, He could have told you that the Psu went kaput you wouldn't have even known anything and he could have shipped it to the other buyer.

Why don't you look at it from the sellers side? I agree with tech Huntr Ganesh should have waited a bit.
Yes he did give his account details to two buyers, could be because he wasn't sure if buyer A or B would buy it for sure?
It has happened to me more than once, buyer X comes along and says he wants something, you give him your account details, a week later he says he doesn't want it during this time I might have had 2-3 more buyer who I had to turn down thanks to buyer X ? Because I have already given buyer X my acc details.
This has not only happened to me but also to dagoon and a few others here we have talked about it.
This has happened on other forums too not just on TE.

So then can the seller start a thread like this and demand that the buyer must buy it? for the time wasted and maybe even give a -VE and say that thanks to you I lost xx buyers? Is it really worth it? :P

He has given you a full refund IMO you should remove the -ve rating and look for a better deal. Come on its not like this is the only PSU for you, I'm sure you might end up with something better than this if you keep your eyes open ;)
This is my personal opinion I'm not taking sides or blaming anyone. (don't flame :P)
:@ awake thanks to pank calls at this hour! WTF :@ whoever it was DIE really just %#$#$#% die.
 
Sandy said:
:@ awake thanks to pank calls at this hour! WTF :@ whoever it was DIE really just %#$#$#% die.
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Maybe it was the hottest chick in Bengalooru trying to get a date? :P

Keep a check on the "Obituary" section of some leading dailies for the next few days. :rofl:
 
I agree with Sandy here
sometimes, you give account details to buyer who say they surely want to buy but never respond for day, if one start to give -ve ratings for all that, market would turn into a slug fest

I aint saying what Mr.Ganesh did was correct and I dont know the complete inside story
But -ve rating is bit harsh after he refunded the full amount

my 2c :)
 
There is no point in saying that the -ve rating should not be removed because he refunded the money back. Thats not a big plus, since if he didnt, it would be outright cheating, and is illegal - I don't think he had a choice there.

It doesn't matter if you think a buyer is a low baller or a time waster or whatever. If you dont wish to sell,Dont. Dont take their money, and then tell them no. If you do, yes, you will piss them off, and Your Negative rating, well, you've earned it. On the other hand, if you give them a negative rating in return, it will only be because of the consequences of actions you have taken.

Personally, I'm okay if I offer to buy something, and the seller sells it to another person. Not very nice, but its acceptable. But the moment I pay for it, things change. I'd hate to deal with such a person, and a rating like that would be very helpful...
 
Crazy_Eddy said:
The way I see it, you had settled for a deal (at a lower price?) with Tech Hunter and after that found someone who would go with your original price and settled with that person instead. I'm sorry to say, but that is unethical. At the very least you should've backed out from TH and then proceeded with the other person.
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That's exactly my point too, if the seller wants to close the deal with another person who is ready to pay him what he has asked originally, then let him, but at least inform the other person with whom he has closed the deal earlier, before proceeding. This whole thing could have been averted if ganesh could have just shot of a PM to Tech Hunter before he went ahead and sold the item to someone else.

Those saying that since ganesh has returned the money in the end, negative rep is harsh punishment, what about the money he lost in bank charges, transportation etc and even more what about the time and effort lost that could not even be refunded.

A neg itrader rating is a way for other memeber's to know that someone had faced a problem while dealing with a certain member (regardless of what the problem was) and they themselves should tread with caution when dealing with that person. Just imagine that you need to buy something urgently and you found someone selling it on TE. you negotiate with him and close the deal, make the payment next day only to find that the seller has already sold it to someone else without informing you before you made the payment and you cannot buy it from another source because the money is locked till he receives it and makes an MO to you which reaches you after 4~5 days. I sure would not like to be in that situation if I can avoid it.
 
This has happened to me also 2-3 times, and i think a -ve rating is justified here, cause i certainly didnt like it when it happened to me, and i also thought of leaving a -ve rating for those people...

So, this can be a lesson for the sellers to be little responsible next time, cause the buyer have to face useless trouble and time waste cause of them.....

And low-balling is not a crime, if you agree you should respect yr words otherwise NO is not hard to say....
 
mutant said:
This has happened to me also 2-3 times, and i think a -ve rating is justified here, cause i certainly didnt like it when it happened to me, and i also thought of leaving a -ve rating for those people...
So, this can be a lesson for the sellers to be little responsible next time, cause the buyer have to face useless trouble and time waste cause of them.....
And low-balling is not a crime, if you agree you should respect yr words otherwise NO is not hard to say....
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What about when the buyer backs out? Would a -ve rating be justified?
 
its different when a buyer backs out...if the buyer doesn't respond seller has all the reasons and right to go ahead with some1 else...

but if both of them agree and the seller gives the buyer account details AND THE BUYER MAKES THE DEPOSIT...

then its not right...

and if a buyer backs out...without responding...the deal is not completed....and what we are talking here is of buyer depositing the amount...so the deal is completed from buyers side....

and if a buyer backs out without depositing money, the deal is not complete from either side..... so that is different...
 
mutant said:
and if a buyer backs out without depositing money, the deal is not complete from either side..... so that is different...
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But what if the buyer has wasted the seller's time and caused him to lose other buyers because the item was on hold for the 1st guy? :no:
 
Err....if a person gets a negative rating....say 1 and 10 positive then definitely next buyer who would deal with same would see y the one negative and so u can always mention what happened in that case in 'comments'. Then the particular buyer can get an idea of the negative rating and proceed or refrain from sale with that seller isn't it??
 
zhopudey said:
But what if the buyer has wasted the seller's time and caused him to lose other buyers because the item was on hold for the 1st guy? :no:
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Its always the sellers call to hold it or not...many sellers simply say they can't hold it for anyone and that who ever pays the money first gets it....so that is completely sellers wish if he wants to hold it or not...if he does, he is more ethical and would earn my respect...and if the buyers backs out without any proper reason or without informing....that is unethical .... but neither of them is cheating....
but if a buyer deposit the money and the seller refuse the deal...that is cheating....
 
Sandy said:
What about when the buyer backs out? Would a -ve rating be justified?
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zhopudey said:
But what if the buyer has wasted the seller's time and caused him to lose other buyers because the item was on hold for the 1st guy? :no:
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If the seller honors the deal and waits for a reasonable period of time as agreed between both parties and the buyer backs out in the end resulting in waste of time/money and/or loss of deals for the seller, then sure as hell the buyer deserves negative reps.

In fact on IVG forums (formerly gamingindians) they maintain blacklists and caution list of people who failed to honor their commitments (both buyers and sellers) and their ids are listed in seperate threads for everyone to see. This is addition to negative reps. Further offenses can result in permanent lock out from the trading post section.

Neither party (buyer/seller) deserves special treatment when it comes to honoring their commitments. Forum sales are done on mutual trust, Transparency and communication are the key to establishing and maintaining that trust. If you know that you cannot keep a commitment, then don't make one in the first place and if its too late for that or you have some hurdle that keeps you from honoring it, then at least communicate to the other party and let them know as soon as possible.
 
mutant said:
and if the buyers backs out without any proper reason or without informing....that is unethical .... but neither of them is cheating....
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Rite.....wt if a buyer says hes buying and then gets another good deal on a gpu precisely a 4850 and then doesn't inform(untill the buyer asked wt hppnd) the seller that he has bought from another buyer causing loss for potential buyers(one precisely):bleh:
 
This has happened countless times before. There are merits to both sides.

Loss is loss and its also seller's loss when someone drags the deal and then for whatever reason backs out. God knows how many times I have lost out on a other potential buyer because of something like this. 5-6 times on my recent HTC deal alone. But frankly I dont think a -ve rep is needed for such things. Many times reasons are genuine, and even when they are not and someone just makes you hold because they desperately want something but in the end cant arrange cash or find better deals.

This is community market and both parties need to consider this. This is not ebay or a online store.

People who only care about cash and sale of an item will never hold for anyone or take money from whoever pays first. I dont blame them. If in the end they return the money if they cant complete their commitments.

If we start considering this cheating and not the buyers backing out after promising to buy, then thats unfair for sellers. But yes, both parties needs to be mature about this whole thing. Even legally if money is returned, it cant be considered as cheating. I am sure many of us who deal with even professional online stores have faced something like this in past where due to stock issue or whatever other reason, the order has been cancelled and money refunded to the users.
 
MohitPreet said:
^ so please remove -ve rating of the seller
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Now I'll jump in again with my sure to be ignored suggestion - "Scrap the rating system" :) Remove the entire concept of a "Trusted Seller" or a "Trusted Buyer". We should only have trusted members here on TE. And the only way to be trusted is to be around for a long time, and make plenty of useful posts.
 
Here the -ve rating was not given only because the seller has not shipped me.

It's because the way the seller behaved.

I have given 7 reasons for him for leaving -ve feedback.(many more in this thread)

If he can disprove any one reason I will agree what I have done is wrong.

He was behaving like what ever he has done is correct. He didn't care for a word of mine.

When I was requesting him and trying to explain him how much need I have,he was simply leaving comments like

“sold is sold”

“I will be only shipping it to him.”

“See i could only ship it to an person who makes me an fast payment i cant go on waiting for to receive payment so why i had sold to Rahul2003. There's no mistake in my part.”

“U only made me an transfer late. I could only transfer what you had transferred me and not any other amount more than 650.”

Closing the thread abruptly to stop me from commenting.

Not responding to my PMs.

Troubling me to get my money back.

Are all such things supported?

If I were Ganesh,I would have certainly conveyed apology for causing inconvenience and would have intimated that item was sold before making payment.

That was the minimum I expected from his side and not comment like lame fellow,low baller, foolish and awkward.

Ne never cared for my word nor cared for giving me explanation.

He turned up and made false allegations on me.

ans that too only after I left -ve feedback.

Else he would never cared to reply.

Why should I tolerate all such nonsense?

The main point is he was trusting neither of us.

Both of us agreed to pay him.

So he has right to choose one and probably Rahul as he was ready to pay more.

He can intimate me to stop payment.

But,if Rahul pays and only if he sees the credit in his a/c only he will confirm him and if he doesn't turn up and my funds reflect its mine.

Isn't this tricky?

Doesn't he know he was causing inconvenience to other?

Isn't it ethical for him to bear the bank charges?

Now some of you say I am harsh and selfish and not seeing it from point of seller.

what about the time and effort I made?

How much time and efforts I am spending to make such lengthy explanations checking each and every PM and gathering all information.

Finally,

If he can disprove any of my points,i will agree what I have done to him is wrong.

Then I will have no object if his feedback is removed.

P.S: Sellers have every right on their item and they may sell to any one at any time,but they have to take care that they are not causing inconvenience or trouble to others.

Even if it happened due to unavoidable circumstances,they should take care not to hurt others and try to convince and make them feel comfortable.

for a few all this may feel like a reality show or a thriller movie.

and yes 1,516 views and 52 replies.

"Pain for one is pleasure for others":|:(
 
zhopudey said:
Now I'll jump in again with my sure to be ignored suggestion - "Scrap the rating system" :) Remove the entire concept of a "Trusted Seller" or a "Trusted Buyer". We should only have trusted members here on TE. And the only way to be trusted is to be around for a long time, and make plenty of useful posts.
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Suppose, for a second all ratings, etc is removed. No one knows about the buyer /seller.
All is hunky dory for a few months. then some people try to take advantage of this marketplace. you transfer money and dont receive the product. the person starts a new thread in the marketplace for same product at same price using different name.

how will you make other people aware that he is a cheat and not to deal with him? make a thread like this? or post in his market place thread that you didnt get the item? what if he denies any knowledge of dealing with you?
 
MohitPreet said:
^ so please remove -ve rating of the seller
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Since the would be buyer is justified with his complaints, it's his prerogative to remove the -ve rating. I, for one, would be glad to be warned of people such as the seller here so I can avoid them.

What's the point of having "itrust" ratings if they're not to be given to people who break their trust?

I don't see the seller even making an effort to reconcile with the OP. In fact, he's threatening the OP with a retaliatory -ve rating :no:! The least he can do is apologise and try to settle the matter. That would at least redeem some of the cred he's losing here.

My last post on the topic. As you guys might have made out, the seller has already got a -ve rating in my books. Let's hope he learns from this episode and earns a dozen +ve feedbacks in the future.
 
6pack said:
Suppose, for a second all ratings, etc is removed. No one knows about the buyer /seller.
All is hunky dory for a few months. then some people try to take advantage of this marketplace. you transfer money and dont receive the product. the person starts a new thread in the marketplace for same product at same price using different name.

how will you make other people aware that he is a cheat and not to deal with him? make a thread like this? or post in his market place thread that you didnt get the item? what if he denies any knowledge of dealing with you?
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The question is, why would someone who has built up a certain reputation over a period of months, even made friends here maybe, want to blow all that away for a small amount of money? I would suspect someone with a negligible amount of posts to do that, but not an long standing member.

e.g. - take this guy - http://www.techenclave.com/members/amey.html - has a 0 rating. So you would say he is an unknown quantity. But anyone who has been active on TE for a decent period of time knows who he is and where he comes from. I, for one, wouldn't hesitate paying him in advance even he he says he's gonna ship the stuff after a week. :P That is cause I trust him, and that trust has been built up over a long period of time.

Heck, I'm much more nervous about the current ratings anyway. If I want to buy something, I first go though the sellers posts. That gives me a better idea than the silly ratings. We already have a bunch of pseudo dealers here with lots of +ve ratings, but hardly any meaningful posts in the tech sections. I'd rather stay away from such people.
 
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