Graphic Cards New GPU series every year ?

id1x

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Is nvidia really able to generate a new series of cards every 1 year ? or is it really a copy and paste process were they only changing the case and maybe a new fan ??

looking at the g92 core i must say it a great gpu but taking it through 3 generations of cards is a big issue .. 8800gt then 9800 series and calling it g92+ and stuff lol while over clocking was the only thing done for it then again taking it to the 200 series with the 250 gts .. is it gonna go to the 300 series ? are we paying 300 dollars for empty covers here ? couldnt they just kept the 8000 series for a while longer ? i mean the 9800gtx+ could have been easily called a 8800gtx+ am not saying that cards are bad , they rock but i dont believe the new ones are new and i dont believe they are able to make new ones every year .. they just unbox them and put them in new case . then advertise and sell for new price .

sorry to say that i am a newbie but as a buyer i dont feel i bought something new .. even that the card is 1 year old but i really feel its an 8800 gt tweaked a little bit .. and i dont believe they can make a series every year looking at the 200 series now i mean they just made it few months ago did they really invent a new technology ? are these fps games really consuming all this technology ? and why ? we could have walked to the moon by now if nvidia was nasa ... am sorry to say all that but am not rich or smart . i just like to play and i find keeping up with video cards is really a hard work metal y and materially .. i would like to link a review on guru 3d that generated this thread : http://www.guru3d.com/article/galaxy-geforce-9800-gtx-512mb-review/2

it says : So then, with the introduction of this SKU, the G92 based graphics processor was no longer based on NVIDIA's 0.65nm silicon, which was actually already a respin chip based on last years architecture from the GeForce 8800 series. NVIDIA made a transition onwards to a much smaller die (chip size), made at a 55nm fabrication process. Why move to a smaller fabrication process you might ask?

A lower die-size often equals lower core voltages, better energy efficiency and typically better clock speeds. Important to know is that the G92 is based on the same chip that the 8800 GTS 512MB has, which means that the GPU on the 9800 GTX+ also has 128 shader processors. How many transistors do the NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX GPUs have you ask? No precise data has been given yet, but it's safe to assume roughly 754 million transistors. A question we hear a lot, why is the 9800 GTX 512MB a series 9 product, and the 8800 GTS 512MB (based on the same G92 graphics core), a series 8 product? The answer: I have no idea other then the fact that a Series 9 product sounds better (marketing wise). The G92 based 8800 GTS should probably have been called 9800 GTS or GS as people in the stores right now are really confused.

comment : when i read that i felt that i didnt buy a new card .. and i kinda understand

why my new card will be out dated so fast .. because it wasnt new at first place

http://www.guru3d.com/article/galaxy-geforce-9800-gtx-512mb-review/19

The Verdict : The GeForce 9800 GTX+ is a product series that is slowly starting to age

comment : i buy a card 8 month's ago for 350 dollars so that they tell me its old ..

what are we buying here ? a fish ?

again i look at a good link here : http://www.techspot.com/review/92-asus-geforce-9800-gtx/

it says : Based on the infamous G92 architecture that we have seen used time and time again, the GeForce 9800 GTX shares very similar specifications to that of the GeForce 8800 GTS 512 graphics card. By now, the G92 has been used on numerous Nvidia graphics cards including the GeForce 8800 GS, 8800 GT, 8800 GTS 512, and the 9800 GX2. Keeping this in mind, it will be interesting to see what makes the new GeForce 9800 GX2 special.

After all, it is likely that you would end up spending well over $1000 for this kind of setup with the 9800 GTX, and the performance scaling is questionable.

no comment ..
 
The 9800GT and 9800GTX+ were rebrands.

The G200(260, 275, 285) are not. They are new architectures.

The G300 will be a new architecture as well.

What's your point? Nvidia isn't forcing you to buy new cards.

If you want the best performance you have to shell out the best

money.
 
:) Lol.. yea graphics cards work like this only.. Even Intel processors do similar stuff: Marginal Difference between consecutive products, renaming n readjusting hardware, etc. this is how it works :)

Regarding your word about $300 for new covers, you should do a deeper analysis here.

Example:

Yes the 9800GT was a re-branded 8800GT but its launch price was way lower than the existing price of 8800GT and hence it wasnt a Fraud. Moreover, launch news clarified that yes 9800GT=8800GT.

Similar stuff with 9600GSO which was a rebranded 8600GT, and so on..

Regarding 9800GTX+ being 8800GTX, you got it wrong here.. 9800GTX+ is much better than 8800gtx (obviously im speaking in fps comparison terms here)

And Scaling has always been questionable in PC stuff :)

sahilm said:
The G200(260, 275, 285)are new architectures.

The G300 will be a new architecture as well.

True
 
my point is i have been tricked here mister .. yes i didnt have lots of knowledge back then but i paid 300 dollars for the 9800gtx+ 8 month's ago coz i think its the newest card in the shop i didnt know its an 8800gts in disguise and that its gonna be outdated by 2 generations in 1 year must i pa 600 dollars for a gpu to last 2 years these days ? or think i bought it now for 130 dollars ? no ure wrong i bought it 8 month's ago and it was 300 + $ just so that they tell me its getting out dated .. if it was a real card it wouldnt have been out dated in less than one year no one have this technology but its a fake 8800 , u get it ? so its easy to out date the 8000 series by now ..its not my point only if u read the links in the thread u will see

sato1986 said:
:) lower than the existing price of 8800GT and hence it wasnt a Fraud. Moreover, launch news clarified that yes 9800GT=8800GT.

man its not about the money .. i didnt know it was an 8800 build coz i knew the 8800 will be out dated soon no matter haw expensive it is. i bought a 9000 coz i said ok , this is the 9000 its the new kid in the block and it wont get out dated soon , u get it ? but now they screwed it like the old 8800 ,, so its a fake in a way. yes u dont force someone to ride ure taxi but u can surly screw him after that they opened the shop they sold me the card they sais its the new one and the son of today but it was an old lady that must be sent to old ladys house soon :clap:
 
Nvidia and ATI know how much they can push the technology in the next 5 years and then they also know they need to make around 8 rivisions/updates/architectures in those 5 years to have a profitable business... so they divide the rivisions accordingly.
If both Nvidia and ATI possess similar technology, then for both to follow this process closely, they must be holding secret meetings to decide when is the time to introduce what:S
 
my point is i have been tricked here mister .. yes i didnt have lots of knowledge back then but i paid 300 dollars for the 9800gtx+ 8 month's ago coz i think its the newest card in the shop i didnt know its an 8800gts in disguise and that its gonna be outdated by 2 generations in 1 year must i pa 600 dollars for a gpu to last 2 years these days ? or think i bought it now for 130 dollars ? no ure wrong i bought it 8 month's ago and it was 300 + $ just so that they tell me its getting out dated .. if it was a real card it wouldnt have been out dated in less than one year no one have this technology but its a fake 8800 , u get it ? so its easy to out date the 8000 series by now ..its not my point only if u read the links in the thread u will see

9800GTX+ is NOT 8800gts is NOT OUTDATED Dude. If u think it is outdated, then that way every card released 8 months ago has been outdated, whether it is nvidia or ati. (in the same price bracket ofcourse). So chill n enjoy gaming :)
 
lol thanks , i know its a good card am not a total nob , i just like chatting and learning , but i know its gonna be venerable soon and that nvidia has put it me at the fast track .. am gonna boost my system soon with a 300 series, just when i make sure its not a disguised 200 series...u will hear from me soon ,, at xmas maybe
 
i don't get it... you didn't research what you were buying and then you complain with what you got? sure nvidia's naming system is really, really dodgy but that's no excuse for your purchasing decisions. it's surprising considering that you are at least something of a tech enthusiast (being a member of this forum). in any case, you live and learn... the 9800gtx+ isn't a bad card at all... just be more careful next time :)
 
spindoctor said:
i don't get it... you didn't research what you were buying and then you complain with what you got?

sure nvidia's naming system is really, really dodgy but that's no excuse for your purchasing decisions. it's surprising considering that you are at least something of a tech enthusiast (being a member of this forum). in any case, you live and learn... the 9800gtx+ isn't a bad card at all... just be more careful next time :)

newbie here :blushing: yes i didnt research , i look at nvidia page i saw it at the top of 9000 which was brand new series so i bought it ...m not so sad . just chatting and learning . i will attack the 300 series i wont be able to resist . but when and haw i think ill post few threads here first ...
 
id1x said:
newbie here :blushing:

yes i didnt research , i look at nvidia page i saw it at the top of 9000 which was brand new series so i bought it ...m not so sad . just chatting and learning . i will attack the 300 series i wont be able to resist . but when and haw i think ill post few threads here first ...

yep the card you have will easily tide you over until the next generation of cards hits :)
 
Well, the 8800GT, GTS to 9800GT and GTX and GTX+ was a total rebrand.

Infact, there were stock OCed 9800GTX(65nm) with 750MHz Core and 1850MHz Shader and 2200MHz Memory. 9800GTX+ only reduced manufacturing cost for nVidia.

And GTS250. Don't fall for it's name. It's the 9800GTX+ with one inch less PCB and only 1x6 pin power connector.

But here's the catch:

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But don't let this fool you. Here's HD4890 TRUE:

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8800GTS 512 = 9800GTX = 9800GTX+ = GTS 250, all have 128SP, 256bit memory bus, G92. GTS 512 to GTS 250 upgrade is like Stock card to factory overclocked edition :lol: GTS512 was launched Nov 2007, 18 months, still no new midrange GPUs.

sato1986 said:
9800GTX+ is NOT 8800gts is NOT OUTDATED Dude. If u think it is outdated, then that way every card released 8 months ago has been outdated, whether it is nvidia or ati. (in the same price bracket ofcourse). So chill n enjoy gaming :)

OP meant as its name suggests, 9800GTX/GTX+ should be atleast 30% fast, otherwise call its 8800GTX+ if its 5-10% max faster than previous Gen. 8800GTX. Assume GTX 360, 5% faster than 260, why give such names if not radical fast ?

Regarding 9800GTX+ being 8800GTX, you got it wrong here.. 9800GTX+ is much better than 8800gtx (obviously im speaking in fps comparison terms here)
 
sahilm said:
The 9800GT and 9800GTX+ were rebrands.
The G200(260, 275, 285) are not. They are new architectures.
The G300 will be a new architecture as well.

What's your point? Nvidia isn't forcing you to buy new cards.
If you want the best performance you have to shell out the best
money.

GT 200 wasn't (insn't) a new architecture, its just a bigger, fatter and meaner G92 having more of everything.
If you compare the HD3xxx and HD 4xxxx, they are different architectures
 
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