Market Feedback New Members Joining Te Just For Getting Trade Benefit

[amol_cool]

if you go to any other comp shop, you will be charged the rates they charge normal customers i.e the people who visit their shop first time. if you frequently buy from their shop they will give discounts which is not available to normal customers.

Completely agreed!

And by the SAME logic, not even 50% of TE members would qualify under 'regular' customers category. Look at the deals that amarbir has running presently and check the members who have bought from him. I am sure the number of people who would qualify as 'regular' customer (who have at least bought ONCE from him before) would NOT cross 50% of the total sales. Of course the rest 50% didn't join TE just for market section (though I don deny some may have)

Even I won't qualify for 'regular' customer by that logic. But I have been here since May '09, had deals with many other members and I try to be active in every thread I can. But STILL I can't buy from him in that case!

Don't take it personally buddy, but I just want to say that this rule of new Vs Old member for market section is just not fair. If it has to applied then it should be applied to majority of the forum and not just market section.

Just like you had said that since he is a 'regular' customer he is getting a discount at the shop, the theory can be inverse as well. Since there is a discount he is a 'regular' customer

As a matter of fact 90% of his posts are going to be in Trade section or ranting about something.

That's so true

 

[sato1986]

If it about Ethics, it SHOULD NOT be allowed. Members joining just for deals has never been entertained on TE.

If its about Profit n Loss, then both TE and Amarbir are profiting from it (Both are getting new followers), while Active TE members will suffer huge loss, their privilege is being handed over to someone else who has never contributed to this forum!.The quantity is limited. So yes it is a matter of hurting active members' privileges.

So decide, and procede you two. Which way do you want to go. PROFIT or ETHICS?

Amarbir ji seems to vote for ETHICS by creating this thread.

Your move, TE.

 

[thetechmind]

i guess its time to grab some popcorn, this is gonna get no where

 

[amol_cool]

i guess its time to grab some popcorn, this is gonna get no where

Well i preferred tea and hence I got one already

@sato

I don think you can divide the thread in ethics and profits so easily. How would you differentiate between two new persons posting in market section to buy/sell one of whom joined TE just for market section benefits and the other joined for knowledge but just happened to buy/sell?!!

I don't think the line can be drawn so easily. In the end someone has to lose/sacrifice more than the other.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

hey...i just checked your last 40 posts amarbir....all of them are from market section or this thread..:/...

it makes me wanna believe that you are here just for getting trade benefit.

And why should he not? Unlike the rest of us, I guess the registered dealers pay fees to TE to be in the market section.

Just like you had said that since he is a 'regular' customer he is getting a discount at the shop, the theory can be inverse as well. Since there is a discount he is a 'regular' customer

But that doesn't work that way in realty does it? If I am a regular at a shop, the shop may offer me discounts even if I go to some other shop occasionally. On the other hand Just because you got a discount once, you won't become a regular at a shop right?

 

[ComradE_BeaN]

^just making a point that he is 'also' a person here to make use of the trade section & at the same time pointing fingers at others who join the forum to make use of it.

 

[thetechmind]

And why should he not? Unlike the rest of us, I guess the registered dealers pay fees to TE to be here.

that alone defy's the reason for this thread doesn't he ? Above i have clearly quoted what he himself said, "he is here to sell" ; with all due respect he is doing an excellent job. Also lets face this - TE members get a 'special' price. However, he isn't making a loss in the sale right ? Its just that his margins are lesser for TE users. If its something where he is giving us at the cost price or something really very very exclusive, something like the PL-30 which were ~500 buks cheaper than the existing price! Its the reality of business - dealers pay to TE afaik cause dealers make money , they get a customer base and they get free promotion / advertising via - via. So that is completely justified.

Also, how would you really narrow down a genuine new member ? and a new member who is here just to buy some stuff from a good deal ?

 

[harisubs]

that alone defy's the reason for this thread doesn't he ? Above i have clearly quoted what he himself said, "he is here to sell" ; with all due respect he is doing an excellent job. Also lets face this - TE members get a 'special' price. However, he isn't making a loss in the sale right ? Its just that his margins are lesser for TE users. If its something where he is giving us at the cost price or something really very very exclusive, something like the PL-30 which were ~500 buks cheaper than the existing price! Its the reality of business - dealers pay to TE afaik cause dealers make money , they get a customer base and they get free promotion / advertising via - via. So that is completely justified.

Also, how would you really narrow down a genuine new member ? and a new member who is here just to buy some stuff from a good deal ?

Exactly!
I come completely under the category of a new member and whatever little posts that I have made is in the market section(specifically, the PL11 offered by Amarbir).
I feel there are a lot of members who will be just passive readers. I come under that category. Its not because I am not willing to contribute, its just that I am noob. I find that there is a wealth of knowledge here and it would take quite some time for me to reach the level of the gurus here and to contribute something useful to the forum.

 

[amol_cool]

Also, how would you really narrow down a genuine new member ? and a new member who is here just to buy some stuff from a good deal ?

Exactly what I had said in my post here.

 

[Alias]

Putting a post count as a criteria for sales is a bad idea imo and would always lead to the downfall of the forum.

Ppl would be spamming to reach that post count which in effect leads to useless posts and less valuable reading in the forum posts. Dont discount the more mod work required to weed out the idiots/stupid posts!

Just my 2 cents..

 

[Lord Nemesis]

^just making a point that he is 'also' a person here to make use of the trade section & at the same time pointing fingers at others who join the forum to make use of it.

Well, then I sure hope that those 'others' you are talking about don't mind paying for the privilege of using the TE trading section like Amarbir or the other dealers do? . Being active member of the forum and contributing to the tech sections is the pay that TE is expecting from such members. You cannot simply put a zero count member who has not paid in any manner for using the privileges in the same category as the dealers who make monetary payments for the privileges.

that alone defy's the reason for this thread doesn't he ?

Well, I guess he has no problem with that, but he still thinks its an issue for the forum and so bringing it to the attention of the Mods and Admins. I don't see why his bringing it up is a problem for others. Just because he has a professional/business dealing with TE doesn't mean he should not say anything in the interest of the forum.

Lets suppose you go to a shop to purchase something and after your pay for your goods, the shop owner suddenly has a heart attack, would you try to help him or just leave him to die like its none of your business.

Also, how would you really narrow down a genuine new member ? and a new member who is here just to buy some stuff from a good deal ?

Its very simple !! A genuine new member who is here for the tech sections will stick around even if he is not offered the additional privileges of the market. There are many members here who have been here form the start even before TE ever had a market section. So if someone is really here for reading/posting in the tech sections, they wouldn't mind even if they are not given market section privileges for a while. I believe that's what the post count restriction is trying to do (although with limited success). Without any restriction, there would be a number of people who would drop in when ever they have some thing to sell or they find some great deal and completely disappear afterwords till the next time they have something to sell or buy. A genuine member would not mind even if he is not given market privileges till he gets 500 posts.

 

[Amarbir]

^just making a point that he is 'also' a person here to make use of the trade section & at the same time pointing fingers at others who join the forum to make use of it.

Well ,

This Is Not E-R-O_D-OV Where You Come and Rant Your Frustrations Out On a Dealer who Has Done Nothing .You Were Amongst The Few Instrumental In Getting Me Out From There Without Any Reason + There Were Other Amarbir's Haters Club Out There Which Inculded Large And Small Dealers Lolz .You Could Not Take The Fact That a Dealer Could Resign Too And Kept Ranting On that Forum About 100 Things That I Never did and Basically There Were 10 To 15 Of Your Guys There .Its Only After I Took The Offensive On My Website That You People There Took That Nonsense Post Out Of Termination Out .This Is Techenclave ,I Am Ranting Writing Whatever In My Own Sections .If Something Is There In My Mind I Would Like Some opinions From Our Own Members Out ,Instead Of Sorting My Issue Out Do Not Get Useless Old Rotten Discussions Out Which the entire Country Knows and Laughed About ,Pray To God That I Did Not Take The Offense Too Much .Remain In your Seat And Stay There Period .

Ps :

• TE Members Its Just a Simple Question i Had Asked And There Is Nothing Much I Was Pointing Out That Very New Members Are Doing This And Should It Be Allowed Or Not .Nothing Else .
  

 

[hatter]

@ Amarbir: there is a simple solution to this issue.

I don't think it's feasible for TE to filter buyers according to their posts or reputations. But you can always do so. When you think, there is a great deal which only the reputed and regular TE members deserve, just make it clear in the sale thread. Put down your own conditions and sale your product according to that.

When you wish to sell your product to everyone on TE, just remove those conditions.

Pretty neat in my view... (of course, if mods and admins give you approval for this).

Also, I fully understand your sentiments behind creating special deals for special members only. It's more like invites for torrent sites... many people think that only members with certain post or reputation deserve them. Amarbir may be creating special deals (sometimes very special ones) out of his sense of belonging to TE and he is perfectly right in expecting that deals benefit only serious members of this community. I mean TE is a community site first and eBay later.

In fact, nowadays it saddens me when I see the quality of posts a lot of new members make here... very few of these posts are relevant/correct/appropriate

 

[sato1986]

Well i preferred tea and hence I got one already

@sato

I don think you can divide the thread in ethics and profits so easily. How would you differentiate between two new persons posting in market section to buy/sell one of whom joined TE just for market section benefits and the other joined for knowledge but just happened to buy/sell?!!

I don't think the line can be drawn so easily. In the end someone has to lose/sacrifice more than the other.

0 post count means 0 contribution to TE.

I agree there can be 1 or 2 such co-incidences, but Amarbir ji is talking about many here. So they cant be just co-incidence! hence the latter is inconsiderable.

EDIT: Agree to LordNemesis and Morgoth fully.

 

[logistopath]

In my capacity as a member of TE, I perfectly agree with what morgoth has put down above.

I don't think it's feasible for TE to filter buyers according to their posts or reputations. But you can always do so. When you think, there is a great deal which only the reputed and regular TE members deserve, just make it clear in the sale thread. Put down your own conditions and sale your product according to that.

When you wish to sell your product to everyone on TE, just remove those conditions.

For deals to special members, just put down your own T&C, like for example:
This deal is only applicable to members of TE with at least 100 posts and who have joined on or before April 2009.

 

[amol_cool]

@ Amarbir: there is a simple solution to this issue.

I don't think it's feasible for TE to filter buyers according to their posts or reputations. But you can always do so. When you think, there is a great deal which only the reputed and regular TE members deserve, just make it clear in the sale thread. Put down your own conditions and sale your product according to that.

When you wish to sell your product to everyone on TE, just remove those conditions.

Pretty neat in my view... (of course, if mods and admins give you approval for this).

Also, I fully understand your sentiments behind creating special deals for special members only. It's more like invites for torrent sites... many people think that only members with certain post or reputation deserve them. Amarbir may be creating special deals (sometimes very special ones) out of his sense of belonging to TE and he is perfectly right in expecting that deals benefit only serious members of this community. I mean TE is a community site first and eBay later.

In fact, nowadays it saddens me when I see the quality of posts a lot of new members make here... very few of these posts are relevant/correct/appropriate

Yes even I agree to this. Dealer-level Terms and Conditions are fine as they are not applied to the whole forum.

Infact, instead of having a post count as a condition a dealer can state that member who has bought earlier from him only are eligible thereby filtering even those people who are near to the required post count and will spam the forum just to reach there!

This is good as there will be no need to create a new rule for this and will be totally at dealer's discretion.

0 post count means 0 contribution to TE.

I agree there can be 1 or 2 such co-incidences, but Amarbir ji is talking about many here. So they cant be just co-incidence! hence the latter is inconsiderable.

Well now that again is a tricky part. There is no authentic way to determine that or is not worth it! So in the end it genuine members will be left out in that case. As I had said someone will lose for sure in this case!

 

[thetechmind]

repeating again : should u feel the need to do so - feel free and just enable the option that you already have on your website for the discount coupons! - as per that u can even let different people have different levels of discounts. new members can be given a lower level benefit or no benefit and elite members can have the maximum benefit as per your judgement. hence it really wouldn't matter if TE should allow this or not.

 

[amol_cool]

repeating again : should u feel the need to do so - feel free and just enable the option that you already have on your website for the discount coupons! - as per that u can even let different people have different levels of discounts. new members can be given a lower level benefit or no benefit and elite members can have the maximum benefit as per your judgement. hence it really wouldn't matter if TE should allow this or not.

But then again discount coupons can be used by anyone That's not the solution IMO. It should be user specific then like ebay which is a pretty difficult task in itself!

 

[madnav]

+1 to what morgoth suggested about TnC

 

[thetechmind]

But then again discount coupons can be used by anyone That's not the solution IMO. It should be user specific then like ebay which is a pretty difficult task in itself!

errrr...why used by anyone, he anyways has to deal with PM's. Once a member shows interest - he can PM them the discount code!