what is the guarantee that the member with 200+ posts wont cheat? and this is india, cops wont help much. i have faced similar issues in my life too. these cheaters actually don't have any self respect and in order to make quick buck they can do anything...
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Re: Fraudulent TE member "Raaga" VANISHED !!
Seems like this thread has suddenly turned into a 'newbie bashing' club. So let me understand this, by newbie, you mean new users who have zero, or less number of posts. That automatically means that you do not trust them as they are the 'lesser beings' who do not have post counts. So, does that mean that I should blindly trust a user who has 100+ posts on this forum as a 'senior member' and then deal with that person with complete trust? Just because the user's post count is high. What if a newbie is taken for a ride by a senior member irrespective of the senior member's post count? What would the opinion then be? Duh...bad luck, mate?
Regarding references from senior members, how many senior members know new users? What is the criteria of the reference? What if the new user still vanished? Then the senior member refunds the money to the buyer? That doesn't even make sense!
There had been a dealer on TE who used to get stuff from USA for users over here. When the going was good, users who had bought from the seller recommended the seller wholeheartedly to everyone else. One fine day, the seller vanished alongwith the users money. So, should I say that the users who recommended the dealer are responsible? Or are the people who trusted the dealer/other users irresponsible?
I've read threads which later becamse squabbles between senior members over stuff that one says has been DOA and the other says was working when shipped. Who will you trust in this case?
Ebay charges transaction fees. Afaik, listing a product on eBay will require the seller to pay some amount to eBay. Will the buyer pay that extra 5 or 6% to the seller for something that he wants to buy at a discount anyway? There are plenty of other rules to be followed to make a listing on eBay. All that to sell maybe a used CPU cooler for maybe 500 bucks? All this so that the a new user can sell something?
I completely sympathize with the OP since he has lost his money. I sincerely wish that he gets his money back. The forum member who met with Raaga can probably try and help the OP get his money back. But using this opportunity to say that newbies are untrustworthy is really not a very good thing to do.
Here's what I think can be done for new users who want to sell.
1. Inform the new user that he/she will get the money when the product is received by the buyer. As soon as the stuff is recieved by the buyer, the money is transferred to the new users account.
Risks:
a. Can the buyer be completely trusted?
b. Should the money be in an escrow account once the deal is struck?
c. Who takes responsibility to transfer the money to the new user after the buyer receives the goods?
d. What would be the legalities involved in case of an escrow account since there may be plenty of transactions happening through that account?
e. What if it is an emergency sale?
2. Limit the amount to which the new user can put up a sale item for. Start off with small amounts, gain iTrust and then deal full flegedly.
Risks:
a. What if he only wants to sell only one item that no one else wants to buy?
b. How do you gain iTrust if you do not buy or sell on the market frequently?
c. What should the maximum amount be for which a new user? What is the criteria?
There are constructive ways to think about a resolution so that such incidents do not occur in the future. I've tried offering a few which will require discussion. However, random rants are definitely not the resolution.
One thing to understand is that when you are dealing with a person or dealer online, there is always a risk involved, newbie or not. Making generic statements as above is discriminatory and goes against the spirit of the forum. I do agree that there must be rules in place for deals. But the whole newbie, senior member argument is wrong. What is at work here is the intent. And there is no way that you can check someone's intent through his or her post count.
I hope this post is taken in the right sense. In the end, we should remember that we all started out as newbies.
Peace.
Seems like this thread has suddenly turned into a 'newbie bashing' club. So let me understand this, by newbie, you mean new users who have zero, or less number of posts. That automatically means that you do not trust them as they are the 'lesser beings' who do not have post counts. So, does that mean that I should blindly trust a user who has 100+ posts on this forum as a 'senior member' and then deal with that person with complete trust? Just because the user's post count is high. What if a newbie is taken for a ride by a senior member irrespective of the senior member's post count? What would the opinion then be? Duh...bad luck, mate?
Regarding references from senior members, how many senior members know new users? What is the criteria of the reference? What if the new user still vanished? Then the senior member refunds the money to the buyer? That doesn't even make sense!
There had been a dealer on TE who used to get stuff from USA for users over here. When the going was good, users who had bought from the seller recommended the seller wholeheartedly to everyone else. One fine day, the seller vanished alongwith the users money. So, should I say that the users who recommended the dealer are responsible? Or are the people who trusted the dealer/other users irresponsible?
I've read threads which later becamse squabbles between senior members over stuff that one says has been DOA and the other says was working when shipped. Who will you trust in this case?
Ebay charges transaction fees. Afaik, listing a product on eBay will require the seller to pay some amount to eBay. Will the buyer pay that extra 5 or 6% to the seller for something that he wants to buy at a discount anyway? There are plenty of other rules to be followed to make a listing on eBay. All that to sell maybe a used CPU cooler for maybe 500 bucks? All this so that the a new user can sell something?
I completely sympathize with the OP since he has lost his money. I sincerely wish that he gets his money back. The forum member who met with Raaga can probably try and help the OP get his money back. But using this opportunity to say that newbies are untrustworthy is really not a very good thing to do.
Here's what I think can be done for new users who want to sell.
1. Inform the new user that he/she will get the money when the product is received by the buyer. As soon as the stuff is recieved by the buyer, the money is transferred to the new users account.
Risks:
a. Can the buyer be completely trusted?
b. Should the money be in an escrow account once the deal is struck?
c. Who takes responsibility to transfer the money to the new user after the buyer receives the goods?
d. What would be the legalities involved in case of an escrow account since there may be plenty of transactions happening through that account?
e. What if it is an emergency sale?
2. Limit the amount to which the new user can put up a sale item for. Start off with small amounts, gain iTrust and then deal full flegedly.
Risks:
a. What if he only wants to sell only one item that no one else wants to buy?
b. How do you gain iTrust if you do not buy or sell on the market frequently?
c. What should the maximum amount be for which a new user? What is the criteria?
There are constructive ways to think about a resolution so that such incidents do not occur in the future. I've tried offering a few which will require discussion. However, random rants are definitely not the resolution.
One thing to understand is that when you are dealing with a person or dealer online, there is always a risk involved, newbie or not. Making generic statements as above is discriminatory and goes against the spirit of the forum. I do agree that there must be rules in place for deals. But the whole newbie, senior member argument is wrong. What is at work here is the intent. And there is no way that you can check someone's intent through his or her post count.
I hope this post is taken in the right sense. In the end, we should remember that we all started out as newbies.
Peace.
The Sauron
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I made that suggestion because most the time fraudulent activities happen while dealing with newbies only and in case senior member takes responsibility there would definitely be lesser chance of fraud to happen(For that there is itrader profile). Well you have point that newbie buyer can cheat too. In order to minimize the risk and gain trust in the market section for first few deals, either eBay should be the safe way or further more strictness to market section entry. In the end risk is always there, we should use commonsense while making online deals.
There's no real foolproof way if you think about it. Anything more will end up being an obstacle for everyone. Best suggestion is unless you can make a face-to-face transaction and have 1-2 friends with you when it comes to newbies. Tough luck for those who dont live near the newbie but want the stuff, but then again even tougher if you loose your money and don't get the stuff.
IVG forums have an issue that their trading section is being used for selling grey market games at a ridiculously low price so they will have to be manually moderated and approved before putting it up. this is not possible on TE.
IVG forums have an issue that their trading section is being used for selling grey market games at a ridiculously low price so they will have to be manually moderated and approved before putting it up. this is not possible on TE.
CA50
Forerunner
^ its trust man, here every deal is made on the basis of trust. What guarantee is there that a seller going for 20-80 deal will pay the remaining 80 after receiving them. Even in case of online shopping site like LSB, we pay thousands to get out item, what if they suddenly close down or disappear taking our money. So you see trust is everywhere and every deal made online is on trust
HailStonE
Forerunner
I suppose there is no concrete solution to this problem & each user has to use his own discretion while dealing with new members/ sellers... Even though iTrader is there but its not a foolproof solution but just a tool to have some confidence while making a deal... So bottom line is to do a little research before letting go your money & take that chance only if you are comfortable with going through that deal...
There's really no concrete solution for this type of issue. Best way is to deal with peeps who somewhat more senior at forum.
Also while dealing with newbies, try to deal via eBay, it will add some more cost, but at-least it will be little more hassle-free.
Also while dealing via eBay, tell seller to describe each and ever point of the item and add pics with eBay username and current date. So If something wrong comes, ebay guarantee can be of use.
Also while dealing with newbies, try to deal via eBay, it will add some more cost, but at-least it will be little more hassle-free.
Also while dealing via eBay, tell seller to describe each and ever point of the item and add pics with eBay username and current date. So If something wrong comes, ebay guarantee can be of use.
for newbie members one of the seniors members should vouch for the seller or pay the money to the mods once the item is received mods will pay the seller the money or ebay is the way to go
This could be a tiresome process but it would be fool proof . We can transfer to moderators account and then the seller can ship us the product . Once the product is delivered and we have consented to what was advertised is correct , we can ask moderator to let of the money to the seller . Just like Paisa pay , this could be done with the new sellers . Even i am a new seller and sold my iphone 3gs for 20k here itself and was having less than 100 posts .
Ok I came across this thread and this is probably an offshoot of the thread where the buyer received a chinese N8.
Just a thought to be discussed. Would it help if TE had an escrow type service for payments. All the payments then would have to go through that. There will of course be a % charge for this.
Even then what if the buyer claims that he did not receive the product or received a damaged product. How can we verify that? How does ebay handle such cases?
Just a thought to be discussed. Would it help if TE had an escrow type service for payments. All the payments then would have to go through that. There will of course be a % charge for this.
Even then what if the buyer claims that he did not receive the product or received a damaged product. How can we verify that? How does ebay handle such cases?
^that happened to me.on my very first purchase that too.pafex signed in my name,and hoped to make off with the item(1 tb portable).i threatened them,and luckily,they hadn't opened the sealed drive.now i get very prompt service from them though 
i keep checking the parcel tracking and the moment it reaches my city,i make a call and presto!its at my place in 15 minutes
hyeah:
and not all couriers agree to opening the parcel signing.a dtdc parcel went RTO because i refused to sign before they opened it.(the box was in bad shape).
any way to force them to open the parcel?
i keep checking the parcel tracking and the moment it reaches my city,i make a call and presto!its at my place in 15 minuteshyeah:and not all couriers agree to opening the parcel signing.a dtdc parcel went RTO because i refused to sign before they opened it.(the box was in bad shape).
any way to force them to open the parcel?
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