Next-Gen Consoles - The Real Deal

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Next-Gen Consoles - The Real Deal

A very interesting article on the next gen consoles, what MS and Sony got right and where they went wrong. Great insight into the next gen consoles imho.

Highlights:

the Xenon and Cell CPUs are not even in the same realm of performance as the Pentium 4 or Athlon 64.
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It appears that, in Microsoft’s case, the need to keep costs low has sacrificed true next-gen performance while, in Sony’s case, the need to use proprietary methods in order to maintain exclusivity has also resulted in the sacrifice of any next-gen prospects. What we are guaranteed to see however, are true next-generation prices and unique subscription technologies that will, wirelessly, empty your wallets. It seems that the entire gaming community will help see Mr. Gates, Mr. Allard, Kutaragi-san and other CEOs feature their respective Cribbs and rides on some MTV show.
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What all this comes down to is that the processor on Xbox 360 is expected to be twice as powerful as the 733MHz Celeron hybrid of its predecessor in real world performance. This would make the X360s CPU, slower than most current CPUs, even though that particular one has to last Microsoft for 4-5 years. The issue, experts tell us, is the small core of the IBM chip and its branch predictor, which is not the finest available.

Developers also claim that even when physics calculations for example, are assigned to the SPEs, the Power Processor Element (PPE) which acts as the controller for the SPEs, causes an overall bottleneck as it is hampered by the PowerPC restrictions mentioned above. So the PS3 will also suffer in real world performance.
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Overall, it appears, developers are not that happy with the performance of these systems since it is now their job to find creative ways of squeezing the most out of the CPUs of these consoles; a job that is bound to get harder as time goes by and as PC hardware raises the performance bar.
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Where both consoles seem to have gotten things right is with their Graphics Processing Units (GPUs). Both the nVidia Reality Synthesizer (RSX), which will feature in the PS3 and the ATI Xenos chip which will power X360 seem to be well thought out parts.
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Conclusion:
What is worrying is that the increased control that both Sony and Microsoft will have over the gaming industry may result in developers focusing too much on console titles and missing the opportunity to create PC titles that could truly revolutionize gaming by offering improved physics, gameplay and A.I.
We will have to accept the new consoles since we are not given many options but we have to commend Nintendo on maintaining its prestige and staying away from the HD-Next-Gen battle of superlatives.

It seems that the next-generation of gaming has not yet arrived but when it does it will probably be on the PC.
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PS: Discussions only related to the article in this thread. Absolutely no flaming, trolling, baiting or any PC Vs Console Crap will be tolerated. Such comments will be deleted on sight. This is technical discussion and not a fanboi flameground. :)
 
This is really interesting.... Didnt know abt that. I thought the Cell and the X360 proccy(the Xenon?? ) would at least mtach up to the PC ounterparts....

And they say that they have gpt thier GPUS right.... That may be true today. But once the PC graphics shifts to DX 10 and SM 4, then I guess that will also start lagging.....
 
I've read this before...Wasn't this posted once before too? Anyway its an interesting read...Its authenticity can only be proved once all three next-gen consoles really come out and start releasing at least the second wave of games...Till then,I'm not quite convinced by this.
 
Yes it was posted by Anandtech before which it was promptly made to take off due to pressure from MS and Sony ;). Plus they have the numbers to back it up without the FUD. So no doubts to its authenticity. Props to Megagames to host the article.
 
*Shakes head*

Blade....Dude seriously....Posting such a topic just after a PC gaming Vs. Console war (and closing it before it was finished) and u didnt't expect replies like this?

*Shakes head again and walks away*
 
Blade_Runner said:
Next-Gen Consoles - The Real Deal

A very interesting article on the next gen consoles, what MS and Sony got right and where they went wrong. Great insight into the next gen consoles imho.

Highlights:

Conclusion:
Source

PS: Discussions only related to the article in this thread. Absolutely no flaming, trolling, baiting or any PC Vs Console Crap will be tolerated. Such comments will be deleted on sight. This is technical discussion and not a fanboi flameground. :)
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Yeah right !:P
:bshit:
 
^^hmm i thought the members were mature enough to read the small ps i posted below. If you are gonna debate on the topic technically or related to the article you are welcome. Talk about the cell, the ibm cpu, the rsx, etc or any of the points touched on the topic. But simply posting since one cannot see consoles projected in bad light is fanboyism imho.

Edit: @deathdemon, params: If you read the article carefully without any inherent bias or forethoughts i am sure you guys would gain a lot from reading it.

Getting on topic, i thought the spe's would help in offloading tasks such as physics etc but then again reading the point regarding the PPE being a bottleneck makes me think otherwise. Then it makes me wonder why sony licensed the physx api from agiea. :|
 
bluffmaster said:
Well Blade Let me tell you the conclusion of the topic !:P

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Bluffmaster,
This is the second time you have posted in this thread.
This is a public warning to you to adhere to the rules of the forums.
You can read a copy of the same --> HERE
The post has been deleted yet again due to obvious reasons.
Also, please read the first post properly before posting a reply.
Thanks.
 
Blade_Runner said:
^^hmm i thought the members were mature enough to read the small ps i posted below. If you are gonna debate on the topic technically or related to the article you are welcome. Talk about the cell, the ibm cpu, the rsx, etc or any of the points touched on the topic. But simply posting since one cannot see consoles projected in bad light is fanboyism imho.

Edit: @deathdemon, params: If you read the article carefully without any inherent bias or forethoughts i am sure you guys would gain a lot from reading it.
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i'm not gonna read it, get the same thing from Gamespot or IGN or any other reliable source that doesn't specialize in graphics cards and i will certainly take a read.

I'm surprised Anandtech is even noticing the new consoles, and not one bit surprised they decided to post against it, well maybe they see the danger coming, who'll read their benchmarks when nobody will bother buying them. I stopped reading to the point when they said the processor wasn't as fast as pentium 4. What asses. They don't realise the specs ps2's running right now is wayy slower than a pentium 3 and still had the guts to produce games like Re4, Gt4, GoW, and owning the market. For one thing i know - This is total Biased BS. Passing judgements on things which haven't even made their entry into the market! Should be spending their time reviweing the X1900 or something than stating how much the consoles suck already.
 
Posted by params7 : This is total Biased BS.

Yeah thats wat i said , but they gave me a warning for that !

Whats wrong with it ? I was just giving my thoughts on that !
 
I have already explained the PhysX API part once long ago.

Look, they have nice SPEs to do all the physics, just like GPUs do gfx. But you still need some library routines like DirectX to do gfx don't you? So they licensed PhysX API to run on their SPEs, rather than on the Aegia PhysX processor. Why? Because, otherwise they would have to create their own API. Licensing this API means that even developers who develop for the computer can code for the PS3. In other words, all code related to physics can be shared between the Pc and PS3 versions of a game.

As for the processors being slower or faster, I would rather wait till someone can run some tests on that, whcih may be possible once someone gets linux running on the machines. And it is really stupid to talk about the PS3 being slower, faster or anything as it does not exist yet.
 
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