No more outsourcing !

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... if the money- stimulant package for out sourced firm/org/company- is lower than what they save by Outsourcing work to India... who cares packages!

My suggestion: make your service available at dirt cheap rate (DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH QUALITY) for 1/1.5 yrs. stick with your existing client, recession will not LAST FOR EVER. Stimulant Package is for YEAR & not for Decades or life time.

Remember Sai Babas vachan "Shradhha Aur Saburi" will bring Golden Days Back for Entire World.

What FM suggest few days back: Stick to your JOB while ACCEPTING REDUCE SALARY/PACKAGES .... (I'm sure you will not have to stick more than for 1/1.5 yrs)
 
Emperor said:
... if the money- stimulant package for out sourced firm/org/company- is lower than what they save by Outsourcing work to India... who cares packages!

My suggestion: make your service available at dirt cheap rate (DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH QUALITY) for 1/1.5 yrs. stick with your existing client, recession will not LAST FOR EVER. Stimulant Package is for YEAR & not for Decades or life time.

Remember Sai Babas vachan "Shradhha Aur Saburi" will bring Golden Days Back for Entire World.

What FM suggest few days back: Stick to your JOB while ACCEPTING REDUCE SALARY/PACKAGES .... (I'm sure you will not have to stick more than for 1/1.5 yrs)
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Its very easy to say that reduce the proce of ur service but then wat abt hte margins? There is a limit to redcution in prices that most of the Companies follow in order to keep the margins healty and be profitable .. For big companies reducing the cost highly will lead to a Stock price crash ..
 
One of the reasons for all of this is because the unemployment rate in the USA is very large right now, so the idea of less outsourcing is to help create more jobs for people join the USA. The economy here will not improve until people start spending again, and that won't happen until people have jobs.
 
The Sorcerer said:
India gets jobs from Canada, UK and Australia if you keep U.S. aside.
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Not to mention that even US is every largely dependent on India as far as IT services are concerned. Taking India and China out of the equation would only result in even more problems for US at this stage.

Outsourcing works because the companies can get work done a lot cheaper than they can in US. For the typical pay packet they have to give to a person of a certain caliber there, they can hire 5 people (or sometimes more) of the same caliber in India.

With the current state of economies, many companies in US have started cutting jobs there getting the work done in India in order to reduce their costs. I think these moves againist outsourcing by the US govt are because of this reason. Still as I said, it wouldn't help. Unless the people there start working for as low wages as Indians and Chinese, they will have to risk their productivity because of lesser number of people working for the same amount of investment and the companies are going even more in these bad economic conditions.
 
A pal and I chatted today abt this and what he had to say had more of a point.....the issue is , those people are NOT workaholics as us. Ask them to do a Indian'ised shift which begins at a fix time and ends at whatever time and they wouldnt show up the next day.
 
hanzy said:
A pal and I chatted today abt this and what he had to say had more of a point.....the issue is , those people are NOT workaholics as us. Ask them to do a Indian'ised shift which begins at a fix time and ends at whatever time and they wouldnt show up the next day.
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Exactly, some people here are even dumb enough to put in extra hours without extra pay. Ask them put in 12~14 hours per day and you wouldn't see a single person the next day even if the company is willing to pay extra for that. Though its not the typical case here, I have seen friends in service based companies put in even 14~15 hours per day continuously for a month.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Exactly, some people here are even dumb enough to put in extra hours without extra pay. Ask them put in 12~14 hours per day and you wouldn't see a single person the next day even if the company is willing to pay extra for that. Though its not the typical case here, I have seen friends in service based companies put in even 14 hours per day continuously for a month.
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been there , done that....and totally agree with what you say.....those guys get paid by the hour ! and even double for the extra hours put in :@ , if we start leeching them and billing by the hour :hap2: I know a pal of mine who slogs his a$$ 16 hours a day including saturday - sunday , yes working without even weekends for this 'so-called-big-bank' and been doing this for months now......his manager was sooooo happy with him , he upgraded him to a senior position WITH NO SALARY INCREMENT , so now he works DOUBLE at the same price.......
 
Lord Nemesis said:
Exactly, some people here are even dumb enough to put in extra hours without extra pay. Ask them put in 12~14 hours per day and you wouldn't see a single person the next day even if the company is willing to pay extra for that. Though its not the typical case here, I have seen friends in service based companies put in even 14~15 hours per day continuously for a month.
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True, in my comp. also our client comes post 8:00pm IST and post 8:30 our office hours ends but most of are happy to work till 11:30 even if they have to take ricks for home which obiviously not paid by comp.
Suppt/Dev here are more then work clients are treated as Gods and making them happy at any cost is motto of most. A small appreciation from client cam make them work 00:00 or more.
For sure most of onsite positions will be dissolved and offshore will face ramp down in near time.

Lord Nemesis said:
Exactly, some people here are even dumb enough to put in extra hours without extra pay. Ask them put in 12~14 hours per day and you wouldn't see a single person the next day even if the company is willing to pay extra for that. Though its not the typical case here, I have seen friends in service based companies put in even 14~15 hours per day continuously for a month.
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True, in my comp. also our client comes post 8:00pm IST and post 8:30 our office hours ends but most of are happy to work till 11:30 even if they have to take ricks for home which obiviously not paid by comp.
Suppt/Dev here are more then work clients are treated as Gods and making them happy at any cost is motto of most. A small appreciation from client cam make them work 00:00 or more.
For sure most of onsite positions will be dissolved and offshore will face ramp down in near time.
 
47Shailesh said:
True, in my comp. also our client comes post 8:00pm IST and post 8:30 our office hours ends but most of are happy to work till 11:30 even if they have to take ricks for home which obiviously not paid by comp.
Suppt/Dev here are more then work clients are treated as Gods and making them happy at any cost is motto of most. A small appreciation from client cam make them work 00:00 or more.
For sure most of onsite positions will be dissolved and offshore will face ramp down in near time.
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I am myself in a product based company with Development centers in both US and India. We need to put in 9 hours per day anytime between 8 AM and 7 PM. But everyday, there's something or the other to be done after 7 PM. Many times we have meetings scheduled with the Product managers based in the US and sometimes we have local meetings or Customer issues escalated to R&D. For the last 6 months I have been spending 10~10.5 hours per day on an average at office. There were also a couple of occasions when I had to spent 36~38 hours at office continuously.
 
overall ,Global recession will last for like 10 years.people earning "ground-breaking" salaries will come to terms with recession somehow in next few years earning ground level salary.I hope , an overall change in software eco-system to come in terms with the recession.not all are big corporations outsourcing.
 
Exactly, some people here are even dumb enough to put in extra hours without extra pay. Ask them put in 12~14 hours per day and you wouldn't see a single person the next day even if the company is willing to pay extra for that. Though its not the typical case here, I have seen friends in service based companies put in even 14~15 hours per day continuously for a month.
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I have a friend who was in the situation for almost 6 months. He was in 2 projects simultaneously, and was literally getting screwed working like 16 hours a day for 6 days a week. When I told him he was being stupid and that he should take care of other stuff in his life too, he just said that's how the IT industry in India is. You have to work your a$$ off for a couple of years, so that you get a quick promotion.

I don't agree with him though. If my employer wants me to work and extra 4 hours daily, he better pay me. I have the least intention of working for free, when he will be minting money in dollars. You have to put your foot down, or they will take you for a ride!
 
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