radiantoceans
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News NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 Is 2x Faster Than 4080 At $999, RTX 5070 Ti 2x Faster Than 4070 Ti At $769, RTX 5070 Faster Than 4090 For $549
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This current 5xxx series is shittier than the 4xxx series reminds me of 2003/2004. Remember the infamous GeForce FX 5XXX series? It barely outperformed the GeForce 4 series. That whole generation was a hot pile of steaming poo.
k660
Contributor
never thought i would meet someone from that era
Kaching999
Galvanizer
I had the misery of owning an FX 5200. Relative to its timeline, that piece of crap makes the GT710 feel like a 4090.
Skoomahed
Contributor
Ahh, nostalgia hitting me rn lol! I was like 4-5 years old. First pc. Had an AMD athlon XP, Geforce Fx 5500, 512mb of RAM and good ol Windows XP
k660
Contributor
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
I play at 4k, but have seen issues even at 1440p. Depends on game.
This is apple style segmentation at its worst. VRAM isn't expensive from what i have read, not that it becomes a barrier.
Nvidia has a long history of skimping on VRAM in 'value' products ( These days even in not value products).
They seem to be just enough that people dont notice ( or not enough even in new cards these days for 8gb cards). And then in a couple of years your experience starts degrading.
Yes we can only compare including cards from competition. And reduce buying interest in crappy value cards.
VRAM is something that we shouldnt ignore. With enough VRAM for future games, we could still run with textures at maximum or with high res texture mods while keeping other settings lower. Sharp Textures make a big difference in image quality, no amount of RT is gonna make up for blurry textures. There is no performance impact if enough VRAM is available.
Also, there is no need to play only the latest most demanding games, We have undersupply of gfx cards and oversupply of games. So we can choose among many games that will run fine, ignore FOMO.
This is from an avg gamer pov. Some want only the best ofc, and that's fine. Titan type cards are for them. Those cards are fine too, its below that everything has gotten shitty.
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Lol i just started BF4 again today, at a smooth 200 fps (capped), with 20% usage. Most fun I've had in a while and still looks baller, even if my skills have degraded to that of a new-born.
Kaching999
Galvanizer
Yes the 3090 is powerful enough to run something like a 32b model pretty well and I don't think anything around that price can match that. You can go quad 3080 to run a bigger 70b model but that will cost at least 90k + the extra for the board. But in both cases you need to have a good amount of ram as well at least 32-64gb
k660
Contributor
you tried ai stuff?
stable diffusion? comfyui? img generation?
(i am looking for people who got experience in them,
why? cuz i have questions/queries regarding them so that i wont be wasting money 'wrong' gpu)
Kaching999
Galvanizer
I don't have much experience with it especially anything other than text generation models, but the 3090 about which you asked should be pretty alright for most of those use cases. You can also look up pretty much everything you want on YouTube, different models running of different hardware and other queries you might have or just create a thread asking for help.
radiantoceans
Contributor
My issue with the RTX 5080 currently is more with pricing. The current pricing puts it out of reach for most.
When Nvidia made the announcement of the RTX 5080 starting from USD 999, expectations were that partner cards would
retail for roughly the same MSRP as partner cards for existing 4080 Super, which technically also starts from USD 999.
Currently that's not the case. Whether its a ploy to make leftover RTX 4080 Super stock more appealing, not sure, but hopefully
prices will come down in the future.
Per Hardware Unboxed's review on the RTX 5080, it found the below results.
17 game average
1440p
RTX 5080 - 17 game average - 146 fps
RTX 3080 - 17 game average - 93 fps
57% increase
4K (guessing most people will purchase for this resolution)
RTX 5080 - 17 game average - 91 fps
RTX 3080 - 17 game average - 55 fps
65% increase
Throw in the supposed overclocking capabilities of the card and you're getting a bit more of a bump in fps.
Besides the VRAM issue and considering the inclination towards high refresh gaming, these figures may be
sufficient for quite a few RTX 3080 owners and below to consider this card for an upgrade, provided pricing is proper.
For new INR 2 lakh builds, an RTX 5080 (assuming pricing is same as RTX 4080 Super) would fit the requirement.
Of course there are people who will feel otherwise, most welcome to their opinions.
When Nvidia made the announcement of the RTX 5080 starting from USD 999, expectations were that partner cards would
retail for roughly the same MSRP as partner cards for existing 4080 Super, which technically also starts from USD 999.
Currently that's not the case. Whether its a ploy to make leftover RTX 4080 Super stock more appealing, not sure, but hopefully
prices will come down in the future.
Per Hardware Unboxed's review on the RTX 5080, it found the below results.
17 game average
1440p
RTX 5080 - 17 game average - 146 fps
RTX 3080 - 17 game average - 93 fps
57% increase
4K (guessing most people will purchase for this resolution)
RTX 5080 - 17 game average - 91 fps
RTX 3080 - 17 game average - 55 fps
65% increase
Throw in the supposed overclocking capabilities of the card and you're getting a bit more of a bump in fps.
Besides the VRAM issue and considering the inclination towards high refresh gaming, these figures may be
sufficient for quite a few RTX 3080 owners and below to consider this card for an upgrade, provided pricing is proper.
For new INR 2 lakh builds, an RTX 5080 (assuming pricing is same as RTX 4080 Super) would fit the requirement.
Of course there are people who will feel otherwise, most welcome to their opinions.
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Kaching999
Galvanizer
Do you really not think that the 5080 should have provided more uplift in performance? I think the best option is to buy a new or used 4080 super seeing that it is basically the same card when overclocked as it gets a 7% bump in performance and costs less than the 5080 msrp at around 95k-1.05L new and 65-75k used with warranty.
A 60% increase over two generations of 80 class GPUs is absolutely horseshit, TBH. That too with an increase of MSRP over the 3080 (granted, you couldn't get the 3080 at anywhere near MSRP during that period, but that was with any decent GPU, not just Nvidia, thanks to the mining craze). Most generations prior would have the 80 class defeat the previous gen's flagship. For example, the 3080 was 31-40% faster than the 2080 Ti. If I have to take into account TWO generations, like in the case here (5080 vs 3080), the 3080 was 130% faster than the 1080 Ti.
Tracer_Bullet
Herald
If it makes sense for you, highly recommend oled/HDR monitor ( oled - only for media)
Much better imo vs buying a new gpu these days. Price is still on high side right now, but seems to be dropping. Minileds are cheaper, but not sure how they are.
There are multiple ways we can convert SDR games to HDR ( specialk/reshade for win10 + autoHDR/RTXHDR) and it makes a big difference.
Then many old games can still look good, esp if we can get some high res texture mod.
Most likely i ll wait for 2x before thinking of upgrade. But anyway, its 65% more fps for 43%+ more money too. Price/Perf is not there even after 2 gens.
16gb vram is also not appealing at that price. Not making that mistake again. DId it twice with 1050 and 3080 before realizing whats happening.
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radiantoceans
Contributor
Of course if we'd gotten a better performance boost from RTX 5080 that would be fantastic. But this is what we have right now.
I'm hoping for better in the next gen. However If the RTX 6000 series underwhelms the same way that would be problematic.
There were rumours of the AMD 9000 series GPU's offering RTX 4080 Super like performance at $ 549. If that pans out, fantastic.
I think many gamers will ditch Nvidia and jump onto the AMD bandwagon if that happens. We'll just have to wait till March.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia comes out with 5070 Super, 5070 TI Super, 5080 Super if AMD offers competitive pricing for their products.
On the whole however GPU prices have been on an increasing trend for quite a while. Again if they come down fantastic. Will they? Your guess is as good as mine.
Basically the used markets see more activity and become more important for gamers.
I'm not sure how many will sell their RTX 4080, RTX 4080 Super for a... RTX 5090 ? Don't see too many 4080 owners purchasing an RTX 5080 after all this.
And if people do upgrade from their RTX 4080 Super, no reason not to jump from RTX 3080 to a RTX 5080.
I was wondering when someone was going to come up with that. 1000 and 3000 series cards imo are probably a bit of an outlier.
Could Nvidia have done better for the 5000 series, maybe. Its possible they've hit a performance plateau.
Officially prices are supposed to be same as RTX 4080 Super so at least that's something.
But if the RTX 6000 series underwhelms the same way then yes cause for concern.
The misleading marketing about how 5070 offers 4090 level performance for me was a bigger red flag.
Skoomahed
Contributor
I sincerely doubt that. At best, it will match 4070 Ti super performance. AMD loves shooting themselves in the foot, so better to keep low expectations