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I've seen lot of posts in General Talk and other sub forums being deleted for being OT. But the same is not done for one thread - The Amazon Deals thread. It is full of people asking questions or people leaving feedback for items they bought. I thought it was okay to do so a few months ago, but my OT post in the deals thread was moved to another location. Now, when ever I see some new post in that thread it's just OT upon OT.

Can the mods tell me - Why is this difference in modding being applied? Ideally, either delete everyone's posts that are not deals or move everyone's OT post in another sub forum. Or make a new Amazon Deals thread and say OT posts will be deleted. Or make a new deals discussion thread where such OT posts can be mass moved to. But to leave such OT posts for days and days but delete other OT posts in a matter of few hours? Why?
 
Your thread has good value in being a standalone thread
Even I was following it. People will keep looking it up, and it would've been lost in some xyz deals/discussion thread
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Thread 'Any deals on Digital Multimeter ?'

Any deals on digital multimeter for fault finding use on electronics (below 1k if possible)? My old one (image below) died and its wires also broke apart. Just want one for occasional usage. This mm is rubbish. Its fuse is just a wire inside. So don't want such russian roulette type mm.
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Edit: Hows this for 799?
 
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Granted, it has a good value in being a stand alone thread. But why leave the other off track posts as is in that thread? Some are just discussing about nvme docks, others discussing about bluetooth headsets being good or bad, etc. I visit that thread to see if any deals have been posted but it just turns out to be idle chatter. Can't these be moved to some discussion thread or make a new Amazon deals thread (No Off Topic Discussions) and just delete OT posts directly. I'm sure this problem has been raised every few weeks or months when ever a new shopping discount season starts on Amazon. The thread gets filled up with 10-15 OT posts after just 2-3 deal posts. People start complaining about deals or start discussing about deals being good or bad etc which goes OT really fast. Every time we see the deal thread in new posts, it turns out to be something irrelevant to the thread. There's really no use of that thread now. I don't feel like contributing to that thread since I know it will be drowned out by idle noise very fast.
 
Personally I dont like the concept of XYZ thread coz lots of good discussions get buried under mountains of posts. If still we need such threads, we should have monthly or yearly threads at max. Otherwise a new thread for each new unrelated discussion.
 
Continuing the discussion here.

Irrespective of the decision to fragment the deal thread into monthly threads or have a single thread, discussion on deal thread isn’t going away.

Only solution in my opinion is to issue some kind of temporary penalty. But it involves lot of extra effort which I’m not sure anyone would wants to do or has the time for so I guess we just live with it.

But splitting the deal thread into multiple monthly threads and that too for multiple sites, makes it very difficult to track good deals. @Renegade please consider reverting back to the original single thread per site model.

It’s been working relatively well for multiple years.

An yearly deal thread would still work fine but monthly threads just makes finding/discovering deals very difficult
 
m0h1t said:
Irrespective of the decision to fragment the deal thread into monthly threads or have a single thread, discussion on deal thread isn’t going away.
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But what exactly is this "discussion" you seem "irrelevant". Say someone posted a 1TB NVMe ssd deal for 3500 & someone else posted a review showing very bad performance or someone posted a link showing that ssd has no official warranty in India or bad reputation seller then is that all "irrelevant" because if it is then @Renegade @Crazy_Eddy @puns should sticky a post in the section saying "any post without a deal link is not allowed" in the deals thread & be done with it. I agree many discussions in deals thread are "irrelevant" which admins do move to their respective new threads after 2-3 days but clubbing all discussions as irrelevant is not right either unless admins make the change as I mentioned above. Also, this is a tech forum not desidime where thousands of ppl are subscribed to deals threads & in case of any loot deal the product is finished within a few minutes (like the swiggy instamart 2TB WD portable hdd for 1400) so I don't see why ppl would be so micro focused on deals thread notifications as to find even a single non-link post so annoying.
 
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guest_999 said:
But what exactly is this "discussion" you seem "irrelevant". Say someone posted a 1TB NVMe ssd deal for 3500 & someone else posted a review showing very bad performance or someone posted a link showing that ssd has no official warranty in India or bad reputation seller then is that all "irrelevant" because if it is then @Renegade @Crazy_Eddy @puns should sticky a post in the section saying "any post without a deal link is not allowed" in the deals thread & be done with it. I agree many discussions in deals thread are "irrelevant" which admins do move to their respective new threads after 2-3 days but clubbing all discussions as irrelevant is not right either unless admins make the change as I mentioned above. Also, this is a tech forum not desidime where thousands of ppl are subscribed to deals threads & in case of any loot deal the product is finished within a few minutes (like the swiggy instamart 2TB WD portable hdd for 1400) so I don't see why ppl would be so micro focused on deals thread notifications as to find even a single non-link post so annoying.
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Bud I’m not saying there should be no discussion on deal threads nor am I saying all discussion is irrelevant . There is certainly is lot of discussion which is of value but there is also a lot of other non-value adding discussion which needs to be discouraged. We already agree on this, as would many others so I’m not debating this any longer.

My only point is to have a single thread or a yearly thread for each site. Monthly thread makes it much harder to access this information. This is a valid use case for me and for others also I reckon. this may not be a valid use case for you and that’s fine.

Having a single/yearly site specific deal thread is also better for users not interested in deals because then then there are much lesser number of threads such users have to ignore.
 
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Bud I’m not saying there should be no discussion on deal threads nor am I saying all discussion is irrelevant . There is certainly is lot of discussion which is of value but there is also a lot of other non-value adding discussion which needs to be discouraged. We already agree on this, as would many others so I’m not debating this any longer.
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I meant to reply to others who posted in the monthly thread but only you continued the discussion here so quoted your post instead which I guess was confusing.

m0h1t said:
My only point is to have a single thread or a yearly thread for each site. Monthly thread makes it much harder to access this information. This is a valid use case for me and for others also I reckon. this may not be a valid use case for you and that’s fine.
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Actually, I also prefer single thread as it means all the info (like past prices/reviews/user feedback regarding order placed delivered etc) is all in one place but I guess it became too tedious for mods to manage.
 
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guest_999 said:
But what exactly is this "discussion" you seem "irrelevant". Say someone posted a 1TB NVMe ssd deal for 3500 & someone else posted a review showing very bad performance or someone posted a link showing that ssd has no official warranty in India or bad reputation seller then is that all "irrelevant" because if it is then @Renegade @Crazy_Eddy @puns should sticky a post in the section saying "any post without a deal link is not allowed" in the deals thread & be done with it. I agree many discussions in deals thread are "irrelevant" which admins do move to their respective new threads after 2-3 days but clubbing all discussions as irrelevant is not right either unless admins make the change as I mentioned above. Also, this is a tech forum not desidime where thousands of ppl are subscribed to deals threads & in case of any loot deal the product is finished within a few minutes (like the swiggy instamart 2TB WD portable hdd for 1400) so I don't see why ppl would be so micro focused on deals thread notifications as to find even a single non-link post so annoying.
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guest_999 said:
I meant to reply to others who posted in the monthly thread but only you continued the discussion here so quoted your post instead which I guess was confusing.


Actually, I also prefer single thread as it means all the info (like past prices/reviews/user feedback regarding order placed delivered etc) is all in one place but I guess it became too tedious for mods to manage.
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1. Why can't people start discussing about warranty in hardware section? Why is there a need to discuss such things in a deals thread? Let's say, all discussions are not irrelevant. But then why are other off topic posts in other threads deleted but not here in this Amazon/FK deals thread? Rules should be the same in any section. I'm actually seeing lot of off topic posts being deleted and threads being locked in general talk more than in rest of forum even though GT is for OT posts. Mods are really strict in GT for some reason but hardly give a look at the deals section.

2- Why should admins move irrelevant threads to another section? Are there small kids here that they cannot even follow rules of a forum? That means people are free to not follow rules, start discussing anything anywhere and mods should clean up after them. Just imagine what the work load will be.

3. If people start discussion on deals in deals section, then why go to all the trouble of making hardware section or any other sections? Just put one big thread where everyone can discuss anything to their hearts content. No need of separate sections or threads. One thread in each section should be enough. Right? Why is deals threads given VIP treatment let me know.
 
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Yearly thread works. I see lesser posts on monthly thread. Some discussion will naturally happen on deals thread but comes back on track with new deals.
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Fantastic, shall we merge the monthly 2024 threads in the old deals thread, and start a fresh thread for 2025?
 
6pack said:
1. Why can't people start discussing about warranty in hardware section? Why is there a need to discuss such things in a deals thread?
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You mean when someone post a 3500 1TB NVMe ssd deal in deals thread then someone else post a thread in hardware section linking to a review that shows that ssd performing 50% worse than a 4500 priced NVMe & then tag all the members who liked that 3500 deal post as well as all the active members in the deal thread in last few hours/day as well as all the members that user consider tagging as courtesy just in case they chance upon that deal later & even then there is a chance that some members will miss that review thread & buy that ssd only to realise after some time they got a bad deal. Do you see now how tedious & pointless this is?

6pack said:
Rules should be the same in any section. I'm actually seeing lot of off topic posts being deleted and threads being locked in general talk more than in rest of forum even though GT is for OT posts. Mods are really strict in GT for some reason but hardly give a look at the deals section.
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You know what can get the mods/admin of this forum into legal trouble, not that off topic post bashing MSI after sales support or amazon/fk canceling loot deal orders but that off topic post in general talk section bashing a politician/political party/historical figure which 99% of members here don't even care about.

6pack said:
Why should admins move irrelevant threads to another section? Are there small kids here that they cannot even follow rules of a forum? That means people are free to not follow rules, start discussing anything anywhere and mods should clean up after them. Just imagine what the work load will be.
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See above. If every user is an ideal user then there is no need for mods in the first place, just a single admin is more than enough. However, this is not an ideal world & no user is an ideal user. Since you keep talking about rules then answer me this, when you consider something "off topic" does that mean all other mods also consider that off topic. You do know that "off topic" is quite a grey area depending on the rules of being "off topic" & something which looks off topic to someone might not look the same to other. In case of deals section if there is a rule that says "no post without a deal link" then I would stop posting any "off topic" post because in this case the rule is pretty clear but there is no such rule currently on TE so my definition of "off topic" in a deals thread is when someone post a 3500 NVMe ssd deal & someone else start talking about how there is a better deal available in US via a forward shipper service.

6pack said:
If people start discussion on deals in deals section, then why go to all the trouble of making hardware section or any other sections? Just put one big thread where everyone can discuss anything to their hearts content. No need of separate sections or threads. One thread in each section should be enough. Right? Why is deals threads given VIP treatment let me know.
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You tell me which would get you more angry. A thread/post where someone say something you don't like or a thread/post based on which you spend a few thousand & that you eventually hated because of poor quality/performance.
 
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You mean when someone post a 3500 1TB NVMe ssd deal in deals thread then someone else post a thread in hardware section linking to a review that shows that ssd performing 50% worse than a 4500 priced NVMe & then tag all the members who liked that 3500 deal post as well as all the active members in the deal thread in last few hours/day as well as all the members that user consider tagging as courtesy just in case they chance upon that deal later & even then there is a chance that some members will miss that review thread & buy that ssd only to realise after some time they got a bad deal. Do you see now how tedious & pointless this is?
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If linking to a thread is tedious, then why even post links to deals? Isn't searching for deals on Amazon and posting them here a lot more tedious? On a tech site if people can't take the time to figure out if something is a good or bad deal or even google for reviews of stuff before buying it, then no one can help them. Even if someone pointed out that the deal is bad, what is the chance that they will ignore that post and buy the stuff just because the price was too good? Whether they realize a deal is good or bad only they are to blame since they bought it.
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You know what can get the mods/admin of this forum into legal trouble, not that off topic post bashing MSI after sales support or amazon/fk canceling loot deal orders but that off topic post in general talk section bashing a politician/political party/historical figure which 99% of members here don't even care about.
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I doubt politicians come to tech enclave to find out who is bashing them in GT and take action on the mods. I think they are more interested in other things like wasting time in parliament house or making more money. If they were so tech literate, India would be a much better place today.

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See above. If every user is an ideal user then there is no need for mods in the first place, just a single admin is more than enough. However, this is not an ideal world & no user is an ideal user. Since you keep talking about rules then answer me this, when you consider something "off topic" does that mean all other mods also consider that off topic. You do know that "off topic" is quite a grey area depending on the rules of being "off topic" & something which looks off topic to someone might not look the same to other. In case of deals section if there is a rule that says "no post without a deal link" then I would stop posting any "off topic" post because in this case the rule is pretty clear but there is no such rule currently on TE so my definition of "off topic" in a deals thread is when someone post a 3500 NVMe ssd deal & someone else start talking about how there is a better deal available in US via a forward shipper service.
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Let mods decide what is off topic or not. Let me also start posting deals in hardware section since no one is an ideal user here. No need to post in Amazon deals thread afaik. Maybe I should start posting any tech deal in any section I see fit since anyway people will start discussing about it. There's no rule that tells me to post deals only in deals thread so i don't think I'll be breaking forum rules. See how fast the forum will break down if everyone starts "technically right" method of posting threads. Why should only the others follow rules, right?

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You tell me which would get you more angry. A thread/post where someone say something you don't like or a thread/post based on which you spend a few thousand & that you eventually hated because of poor quality/performance.
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I wouldn't get angry at both. The first is a bit mildly infuriating, the second is I would blame myself for not looking at reviews before buying the stuff. I bought some Bt earphones from FK that fall in this category. I just don't use them anymore. Waste of money but it is what it is. I can only get angry at myself when i see those earphones.

Lets say your opinion/ view point is right. Then why are there a lot of deals without any discussion on them? Is it okay for people to lose money on those deals after buying those stuff which did not have anyone discussing them? No, right? Then, let all deals have some discussions on them on their pros and cons. Why discuss only ssd's? Why not anything else? A lot of deals only have likes on them and zero discussions. Let the people who liked the deals find out if the deals were good or not. But if we start doing this for each and every deal, then the we lose sight of why the thread was made in the first place. Is it a deal's thread or is it a deals & discussions thread?
 
Is a Amazon or Flipkart Deals sub with separate threads for each deal an option ? The first post in each thread will be the deal and the rest .. well.. the expert commentary.
Replicates Desidime style but satisfies novices and experts alike.
 
6pack said:
Even if someone pointed out that the deal is bad, what is the chance that they will ignore that post and buy the stuff just because the price was too good? Whether they realize a deal is good or bad only they are to blame since they bought it.
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You are going into "what if" territory which has no limits. Giving info to help choose is not the same as giving no info at all. At least the person can rightly blame themselves for choosing the deal despite given info it was a bad deal but if there was no info at all then that is not choice.

6pack said:
I doubt politicians come to tech enclave to find out who is bashing them in GT and take action on the mods. I think they are more interested in other things like wasting time in parliament house or making more money. If they were so tech literate, India would be a much better place today.
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I think you have no clue how defamation laws/hurting "sentiments" of a community laws work. All it takes is one zealous supporter of a particular leader/party/community & a trip to local police station & that's it.

6pack said:
Let me also start posting deals in hardware section since no one is an ideal user here. No need to post in Amazon deals thread afaik. Maybe I should start posting any tech deal in any section I see fit since anyway people will start discussing about it. There's no rule that tells me to post deals only in deals thread so i don't think I'll be breaking forum rules.
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Truly speaking like a politician now. So as per you posting a deal in a non deal section is at same level as someone posting pros/cons of a deal in a deal thread. Sounds very much like a party blaming today's issues on what a particular politician did 70 years ago.

6pack said:
Lets say your opinion/ view point is right. Then why are there a lot of deals without any discussion on them? Is it okay for people to lose money on those deals after buying those stuff which did not have anyone discussing them? No, right? Then, let all deals have some discussions on them on their pros and cons. Why discuss only ssd's? Why not anything else? A lot of deals only have likes on them and zero discussions. Let the people who liked the deals find out if the deals were good or not. But if we start doing this for each and every deal, then the we lose sight of why the thread was made in the first place. Is it a deal's thread or is it a deals & discussions thread?
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Your viewpoint is "all or nothing" which never works in the long term. Not every deal has discussion because not every deal can be questioned but there are deals that can be questioned & that's why there is discussion on them in the first place. Also, it is not just ssd but other products too incl kb, mouse, gpu (sold by shady sellers), processors (very famous case here itself with its own thread running into 5+ pages) which had discussions & they were very helpful & at least saved a few ppl from being scammed/waste their money. Clearly mods think that is worth it else they would have made the rule of "no post without deal link" rule by now or would have removed/deleted the posts in deals thread with as much strictness as in general talk section. I don't know why you find such useful posts in deals thread so annoying when you are not even interested in the deal in the question. Take for example the orico ssd deal, so many "wise guys" saying "off topic discussion" but not one of them responded or even proved existence of official warranty structure for orico ssd in India & most likely none of them had even bought it & yet they are all getting ticked off because some user might decide not to buy those orico ssd after reading 1-2 "off topic posts".
 
Nice. Since you resorted to blaming me instead of sticking to the topic and discussing politely, I'm out of this discussion. Let others chime in. I don't know why others who don't like off topic posts in the deals section haven't spoken anything in this thread till now.
 
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